Penobscot County Commissioners review 2027 budget workshop with $8.2M increase

[5:35] Blair Tinkham: Good morning, Commissioner. Welcome to this workshop. I'll start with the budget summary. This could be the beginning of your, of your book, Human Resources. As you know, we need to complete the implementation of HRIS system using Isol and our payroll processes, popular. You're going to see recommended updates to staffing level for the department back to probably the 2324 time frame, one director, one deputy, one HR resource assistant in the EMA. We have future support for state levels always in question, proper planning for, okay, yes, you have that, what I have that you've been done. Yes, it's in the budget summary time. Right where you are. [6:59] Speaker D (unidentified): That's the pages. It's like I don't think I've killed it and the budget, right, yeah. [7:23] Blair Tinkham: You're gonna see some personal growth in EMA as we try to improve our CDS, yes, landscape for the future, and we're adding some stats that are obviously 9-1-1. We don't anticipate any major changes in 2027. The agreement with Arusa County has, ended where PRC took their land calls has been discontinued, equating to a loss of revenue. We'll show you that as we move through this workshop. We have, we have some new revenue as you well know, as you all know, increasing to about 9k with the tower on this. Agreement, county jail facility is not the only county department negatively impacted by the inefficiencies in the judicial process in the state of Maine. The county continues to find other ways to invest toward efficiency. The DA contract with a nice discovery, as you know, bringing mass efficiencies and accuracy to evidence discovery across the department, but it adds additional costs to 2027 budget. Major change you'll see in the administration or the commissioner's budget is I recommending a. deputy position facilitate the day-to-day operations for the county of course you guys can what you think is best here for the county that for that position changes treasury finance department has been challenged all the changes that we 've implemented staffing has settled down but we need and we addressed hopefully a grant manager which we've opened that position and we were looking for one more additional position help facilitate the operations and findings building i highlighted to the Commission on several different times the deferred repair costs that we have chosen over the years. We continue to have to address that, and we forecasted a plan for approximately 300k in the budget this year, and hopefully going forward, to address those millions of dollars in repairs that we need to meet in order to make sure this is a safe working environment for our workforce. Force redshirt of deeds is not expecting many changes to 2027. It tends to be an iron horse in generating revenue from the county probate, expecting another busy year, and we continue to have to overcome court appointed attorney fees, which is the main increase to the department's budget here, collective bargaining agreements, as we, as we solidify the fo, showing a significant to increase in payroll costs for 2027, we'll need to address the corrections budget on the least eight patrol vehicles, thereby freeing up approximately 500k in cash flow for this year, but not for next, so revenues were budgeted up to 26, expected trend to continue in 2027. Iit department also deferred purchasing 2026 for servers, laptops, and other equipment, the increased investment in the security protection of the county assets and information, increased concentration on development, maintaining effective use of the c capital [Speaker D (unidentified): improvement plan the] jail will discuss as we move forward, no significant changes in our revenue, which is revenue of the county will negatively impact the lack of cash flow, leading to the board funds 10 interests expect to increase as a need for borrowing will be earlier in the year without our funds to rely on, questions on the highlights gentlemen, right now just wanted to give you a budget summary, show you obviously based on everything we put into the budget where this would be as an overall, the overall budget is going from 35 million roughly 43 million with a change of 8.2 million, and the levy would be around 37 million 868 000, for one of the highlight home values, those are down below to show the impact on tax, the taxpayer based on what they have for house, what that change would look like per month, per week, and change days. Any questions on this slide? Then remove the non-departmental line. Don't think, I just wanna highlight to you what that looks like. It looks like 3.3 million. Obviously the two significant costs in this is the 1.14 million on the PRCC loan, our TAN interest, which we're estimating around 500K. And then obviously we have to pay back the TIF. With interest for 1.4 million and 72,000 in interest, with a total non-departmental of 3.3 million. Okay, I'm going to move to D so that we can adjust her budget, and then we'll move the DRC. So obviously the departments don't have a lot of influence over personnel funding. [Speaker D (unidentified): Specifically,] deeds is increasing by 23,000. Susan, do you want to address that? No, it's just, you know, cost of living basically. [Speaker D (unidentified): So the] adopted budget for 2026 for basically payroll and benefits was $398,606. We're projected to be at 409,253,000, or a change of 8,000 in payroll or deeds. Questions on any of these lines, gentlemen? Look at the health insurance, 347, can you give us more clarification on that, 114,000? So I can speak to that. We had, we had under budgeted healthcare. So what we did is we started with the current grades that were paid, and our broker has told us to expect 5%. [Speaker D (unidentified): And then we] also structured it depending on current employees with the current choice. Because it varies from single to family. So we looked very closely at health care. That line also includes the HSL funding. That includes HSL, yeah. So if you go to an operating portion of our operating budget, there's a $637 change, 26 to 27. So my expenses don't change very much from year to year. Don't last half to renew or continue the contract with your vendor that is not up until 29. So on what we have, we're going to open one line and bump that up, but other than that, we're living within our means always. [16:47] David Marshall: Good to start with the deed, but I would say that we've got a lot to go over. I would say we recommend the budget committee piece without recommendation. [17:00] Blair Tinkham: Yeah, I'm going to second that. Any discussion, comments from the administration? Start with that's the one you want to start on this? You know, I love it. Okay, all those in favor, I passes two with one absentee. Okay, we'll now move to PR CC. You think so? Thank you. 're also welcome. Thank you, ma'am. You're welcome. You know, oh, can I just point out one thing, which is not a big deal, but I just want to make sure that the budget that goes to the budget committee reflects the change. So on the third page where this who we are and what we do, you have the deputy register being Diane, which is incorrect, is the deputy register. Okay, so if you just change that [18:05] Speaker D (unidentified): for the budget committee, thank you. Okay. [18:10] Blair Tinkham: All right, yeah, we're going to go to PR2C. It's full-time wages. He's dropping two personnel, which will drop the full-time wages to about 103,000 on that line. [18:31] David Marshall: The next time we're doubling the overtime so the buying would be. [18:39] Blair Tinkham: So when we analyze the overtime with the finance department, the consultants every year in our trends, we're spending well over our 200,000 dollars last year with about 336,000. So that overtime numbers to get us closer to actuals for the overtime budget, because the other thing was there. With the staff's schedule that they have, there's 3648 schedule. We have to account for. Over time there for their salaries and to just trying to make this line. Line match the actuals of what we have. [19:23] David Marshall: And for the past, so no, I get it. It doesn't to me. I mean, if I was by a. Business, which is true, I would rather have somebody on call to fill in overtime, regular pay and not pay the overtime. So there's no way to keep those full time people. And cut back on overtime. I mean, it's completely. [19:46] Blair Tinkham: Completely up to you guys but I mean we've had several positions for the last several years that have been I'm have not been funded on the budget that had me filled so I mean we still have minimum staffing requirements that we have to meet and this number we're just trying to give the culture to actuals that we've paid for the last several years in overtime to cover and pair their schedule and vacancy things vacation time sick time obviously our staff it was better now has been but we're just. Trying to get this number closer to where it's actually been. The last several years with the recent development of no longer covering Aroostook County we're seeing a staff reduction with that long impact on overtime time if there is what impact would that impact so the staff reduction is because. Of the loss of revenue so that's why I come to the commission and recommended two so one position that was funded in this year's budget will be cut the other three positions that have been unfunded but have been in our budget are then obviously going to be tough so we're supposed to have 34 full-time dispatch cut down to 30. The other thing with that is with our 12-hour schedules now that has added more staffing at the you know our high peak times so I'm comfortable as an agency that we can cut essentially what we're cutting truly is four positions it just It just doesn't look like that in this budget, because three of them haven't been funded in the years of the social staff. So that's the reflected $103,974 savings is reflected. Right. That's a 4.1% savings. Dan, do you have a question? questions on that period i'm good at that on those lines all right okay please continue really all the other lines i don't know the department i can't really control those are controlled by the administration any other questions in regards to payroll benefits [22:19] David Marshall: Just on like the, this debate was like, I mean, first is this just based on experience with the way more budget is, that why it's a 58% increase that? [22:31] Blair Tinkham: Like also includes the boy, what's that as well, a lot of including with the lawyer as well and? Again I think getting closer to actual payments, everyone actually looked at each individual because it's like about four different plans and depending on the burgers kind of lining that up and watch our. So the other thing I just want to know before we move on with that and as far? As this cost you'll also notice that there's a line for 25 000 that you took out of the budget. That was a training line that we've never spent on because people go to training or it just comes right out of the typical table. So we took that 25,000, 25,000. So the accountants that went there in the paper was as far as trying to get all the time associated. So as I move forward, you're going to see those type of increases in all the department heads. So I guess my question is, you know, we've highlighted in some previous discussions the unforecasted costs came to benefits and we have Katie has one right down by each individual employee plug in the data so we have an accurate prediction of what it's going to cost us. So you have that in your workbooks on your spreadsheets, we can get there, we want to go down to that and that level of detail. All of these kind of highlights summarize the change of what we've uncovered in the last year. So moving on? To operating not. A lot of change here, it's operating costs, I think we'll speak to some of the big changes if you guys want for later. Earth one with ten thousand dollar increase, rapid SOS and Amazon web services. The Amazon web services is all, you don't want to call it AI, but that is our service that we use to help us handle the non-emergency calls that we implemented several years ago that helped state give us some of that non-emerging work off of our staff. That's just that little increase is trying to better. Budget by looking now that we've been using it for a couple years, seeing what that actual cost is, because it's a monthly cost based on usage. Rapid SOS is a very robust mapping platform and used for 911 call taking. But 1 of the biggest changes with the rapid is now many. School safety systems integrate with rapid so we can get notifications. If there's ever, you know, see in the school, it gets very robust mapping. So. That's just the increase in the contract cost for this year. That's a contract. There are some decreases, obviously some small decreases on consultant fees and lab tests, and that's due to our staffing being more stable now. Those lines are typically used for the for our hiring process. Just some of the other increases, obviously, is a vehicle maintenance and fuel, just price of gas right now. There's a thousand dollar line that was never put in the budget last year for tires, even though we buy the tires from the county truck. We've had to play some from going to the tower sites i. Would just go to because climbing mountains never nice on a vehicle. Big costs are a big increase in electricity again, something that we cannot control, price of electricity. That electricity cost is essentially for our tower sites. While you're seeing some increase there is, we obviously own more tower sites now than we have in years past, so we're responsible for the record bill and looking at this year's budget and what we've spent, we're already over what we've budgeted, so this increases to try. And get us closer to our projected actuals for electric cost. Some of that electric cost we will help offset with our new tower agreement with the percet county. You can tell me something like that, you can generate nine thousand, nine thousand revenue for the first year, and so that'll help offset some of this. How long is that agreement, is that a multi-year? Yeah, that's a that's a five-year. Contract agreement in the first year with a subsequent, it's a two and a half percent. Okay, thank you. And then the internet line, our starlink, that was never properly funded in the 2026 budget. I did not imagine it. The big increase is on a radio base where you see the sixty four thousand five hundred dollar increase. That is our ccc agreement for our radio consoles and our service agreement for all of our. So believe it or not, we're at the point now where the first phase of our radium project, as you guys recall, was all the radio equipment within this building, so our consoles all. The equipment upstairs, basically everything that runs the infrastructure within this facility, we're reaching the point now we're actually due for all of that, the equipment here to be just been replaced, and the cost of the maintenance agreement is five year agreement. This is the cost being the first year, and then you know obviously this could be operated each year. Yes, obviously it's a big hit, the because this is the first year of the new contract, but we're you know any time now they're going to be starting to refresh of all this equipment, which we're looking forward to, because we're just having some minor some other issues, but that's the big reason for that increase, and again you know something that we can't really control, because obviously it's [29:30] David Marshall: very critical equipment that we have to have. We're about a few millions above. The same amount was that the $6,400, is that tied to the Starlink, or is that the $1,700? [29:41] Blair Tinkham: The $1,700 is the Starlink. The $6,400 is just the overview of that cluster of budget lines to decrease it. Oh, it's the total? Yes. So it kind of looks like you're paying it twice. It's just what you want to do. And then just some other small increases and decreases. So with equipment it would we decrease that one extent anything on some of those small decreases in you know couriers and stuff, because we get everything pre-digitized now, so other than that most everything remains status quo. Any [Speaker D (unidentified): questions on what] came to the last section? [30:36] David Marshall: No, I would just kind of mean when you look at the bottom line 14%, it's substantial, but it's all reasonable. [30:44] Blair Tinkham: These are driven by fuel electricity, fuel electricity compliance contracts, things of that nature. Okay. I'm not sure if you want me to touch on the capital lines, because I think there's just some important things I want to highlight with you, because obviously that's very significant. Can very significantly so we have essentially four capital lines. The two biggest ones to look at are the communications equipment and furniture and fixtures. Obviously the other two for the motor vehicle computer equipment are small. Those are just putting small amounts in there to plan for the future. Also we have to replace the vehicle so, and then some computer equipment that's specific to the PRCC. So communication equipment, we did ask for $60,000. There are some things that we'd like to purchase in 2027 that would be capital expenditure. One of the biggest things is putting GPS modems at all of our tower sites, so you guys can understand that. So right now on our tower sites, we have generator backup and we have battery backup, which can power all of our sites depending on usage for three, four, five, six days in the event of a commercial power outage, which we deal with often in Maine. So we have power to keep the sites running. However, with the new radio infrastructure that we have, everything is run over IP. So the one thing that we are lacking is the internet connection to keep the sites up if we lose commercial internet. So the satellite modems would then give us internet on each site that will keep the sites up and running in the event of internet failures. So what we have now is we essentially take a mobile data pack that looks like a cell phone and I have to drive it to a tower site, RCM can then configure this little mobile data pack to our tower site so we can keep it up and running. running. These modems would essentially be installed to keep the sites up and running. So in the event of commercial power failure or commercial internet failure, we're not losing... And these would not require an on-site visit then? Correct. Unless, you know, obviously if the outage goes for several, days, that could require on-site visits. But these would be installed at each site. So if you lose commercial power, you lose commercial internet, the site keeps running for, you know, off our backups to keep our infrastructure of our radio system alive and well the best we can in the event of you know failures with commercial utilities. I'm also have our wireless headset bases within the dispatch center, they connect to our radio consoles, dire need of replacement, so there's some cost in there to replace those, and then just trying to put a little money into that account because if I were to all the equipment on one tower site to make that site operational between you know antennas, microwaves, combiners, the GPS units that align everything for the simulcast system and the loading system, to replace just all that equipment on one side is maybe three thousand dollars. So obviously everything is brand new right now, but you know we also need to start thinking about having some money on that line. If we, if we lose a site, I don't have enough money there right now to fix it all. So that's, that's that request, and obviously I'm trying to keep that request less palatable for the budget. One, we also need to, and that's a 60k, that's a 60,000. Furnitures and fixtures, the county administrator and I had discussions on this. So that's the biggest one with that furniture and fixtures is our furniture within the dispatch center. So all of the desks in there are about 20 years old because we moved into the new facility. We have done replacing some motors and some of the equipment in them that's sort of already fresh in the last five or six years. However, they're still 20 years old and they are definitely showing the range. [35:23] David Marshall: How many total consoles then? [35:25] Blair Tinkham: Right now, we have 13 total consoles. The cost to replace one desk, one dispatch console, is 38,000 to replace one. So again, I'm not looking to replace consoles right now because to me it doesn't make sense to do a complete refresh of all those desks because that's, you know, you're talking between five, six, seven thousand dollars to replace them all. But county administrator and I when we looked at this is again trying to plan for the future and to give us some money in case we have to replace a desk. We have some money in there this account obviously had several hundred thousand dollars previously. How much is in the account today? Team zero. I was pretty good at saying that. It did have about $780,000. Yes. [36:29] David Marshall: So, I mean, obviously, yes, [36:30] Blair Tinkham: I'd love to be able to replace all the consoles, but it doesn't fiscally make any sense if we truly are going to be looking at some point to move our facility to do all those consoles. We can't just get them all because obviously in that point breaches, we have to scan up a new facility and keep this one running. So it wouldn't be, you know, fiscally responsible to replace them all down and potentially do it again a couple of years down the road. But you know we also need to kind of plant that somewhere. This is what seems to me is proven planning. We're running out of room within that, within our facility here because I think today is one of the days where everyone showed up for work today. I had no seats, all of my desks would be occupied, which is a nice problem to have. However, going forward in the future we also need to think about some expansion card facility because we're only getting crystal. So just to Kind of feed off that and reinforce it. That's a five-year plan. See that number changing. We're gonna, we're gonna build the capability to replace all 13. That's a stage to increase some stage increase. We don't want to fall under that area. We've depleted our capital, accounts announced police department, right? Did you have any comments on even the motor vehicle? No, those are obviously just, you know, small amounts of putting back into those capital accounts, just to put in for future replacement. So the PRCC vehicle is only a company, so it would be several years from now. I'm not just trying to put some money in there so when we get to the point of replacement we have some money in that account, so we're sitting in a better, a better position to do so with some years down the road. So let's just try to plan ahead with. [Speaker D (unidentified): Okay, so] we're looking at total 215,000 of change, correct? Yes, and then we didn't touch on the revenues, but obviously loss of realistic contract. That's a big hit to our revenue, but we did sign this new tower lease. So actually, I have a signed contract from my email that I need to sign today and get to a commissioner. Get to the finance department so that contract with them will begin in January 2027. So that's a nine thousand dollar increase to our revenue, and then the other seventeen thousand dollars of the dispatch contracts we have with the Sherman Fire Department, the Island Falls Fire Department and Fire Department, and that also accounts for their annual increases for 2027, which gives us a total revenue projected of about 26 000 change. Well, the only notes I have for this was obviously some type of analysis, but we do have a seven-year [Speaker D (unidentified): extremist structure.] Mercury said on his overtime, the last two, three years were probably exactly the same. That's not something we have available here, right? No. No, we're, we sent that, probably sent that to all of you a week ago. Yeah, all right. We go back. You know, fortunately, in the emergency communication, you know, the evil that we had necessary, areas, but I don't know, maybe like I said, we're just trying to get that closer to actual because everybody, every year for the last several years we have spent well over budget, and again we're, you know, long, that's just filling to our minimum staff, and we're supposed to meet The demand of our, of our call line, you know, we are in such a better position today, notwithstanding the fiscal meeting, as far as the operational condition of the, of the PRCC is so much better today. We're so much a better situated we are today. These things, a lot of these stuffs are driven by either costs that we have no control or trying to replace capital funds that we're going to need to have. It nice to have been brained slowly, it seems to me. Do you have any comments, Dan? [41:22] David Marshall: Not critical, I don't know specific to this department, but I mean, I guess we didn't have any legal comments, but I mean, looking at the budget, I guess we've got, I've got it, I've got a more critical eye. I'm thinking we've got a budget showing a 30 increase over last year. Last year we had to make it kind of one of the 18 or 20 increase. So to me, I'm not looking to cut the budget, I'm looking to lessen the increases we're looking at. I'm thinking I'm comfortable with a four to five million dollar increase on eight million dollar okay so i gotta find ways to lessen the increases so like in this budget alone i can see a couple hundred thousand i could tweak because i've got to find four or five million dollars in this whole budget well i 'd be more comfortable saying i mean through six months we were 156 000 where are you talking about [42:19] Blair Tinkham: Wages, you know, I'd be a more comfortable saying 300,000. So you have to have that seven year history so that we, you know, exactly we're pulling that problem. Last year their overtime was 337,000 of hours. Yeah, and every other week or full-time employees get eight hours of overtime on top of [42:41] David Marshall: the end. So before last year, this year we're with three, will be probably three twelve, if this is, you know, if this plays out. So that's why I'm saying, why wouldn't it make more sense to keep a position and other mates keep the overtime the same, and then you're not paying the overtime, [42:57] Blair Tinkham: just paying a regular salary person? You wouldn't change the budget. [43:04] David Marshall: No, it's $100,000 for the position, but you keep your overtime at $200,000, so $300,000. Maybe you'll have to use it. [43:12] Blair Tinkham: If you add in a position, you're going to increase the overtime even more because every other week, because they're 36, 48. [43:20] David Marshall: No, not a position, but a position to cover the overtime, like a floating position. [43:26] Blair Tinkham: You're still going to have to pay the overtime because of their schedule. [43:29] David Marshall: So everybody's scheduled to overtime. You schedule overtime. [43:31] Blair Tinkham: 10. Because they work 36 hours on one week and they work 48 hours on the next every other week. So if you were to add a position, then we're adding 26 weeks of eight hours of overtime. I mean, we might be able to tweak that 400 000 down a little bit, but I still think we don't, we don't [43:52] David Marshall: want to go too low because, no, I don't want to use 200 to 400. I have to work out for 300. I know we went to budgeting, but I don't want all the budget either. We did 337 last year. I don't know what we're at. The wages are going up. So, you know, obviously the only other. [44:10] Blair Tinkham: Place discuss the big increases that I can't control. You know, for things that I have to have in my heart, right? [44:18] David Marshall: That's right. That's it. That's it. And I agree. You have, like, you said, on your. Your equipment, whatever that's called, furniture and fixtures, you had a substantial reserve built up. That's been depleted because of the financial condition account, and I think that needs to be built back up. It's just, do we start at the point this year that we want to be at for the next five years? I'd be comfortable starting this year, but maybe at half that for communications and half that for furniture, equipment, and the next year we get to that 60 and 150, but maybe this year we do 30 and 75. So the only thing I want to warn you, the communications equipment is just kind of [44:57] Blair Tinkham: the fact that I'm going to move forward, so at sixty thousand dollars on my communication equipment, if we have to, yeah, under capital request on number one, can I make a recommendation because you didn't have a lot of lead time commissioner i recognize that 's on me i would make a recommendation with the digesting information and we come back potentially next week after you guys have time okay and then we talk but the reality is when you look at this budget you're looking at probably 10 additional people on the budget you're looking at 800 000 capital movements that are up for discussion as i met with the department because they lost significant money in the last five years which reduces capability and obviously at some point could potentially impact our ability to respond on our critical services. So those are the two areas, and then potentially, you know, you can get laser knife some of the operating costs, but my concern, the concern is when you start talking about the top half of these budgets comes to personnel. We've lasered into that in this last month and a half for Darago and finance. I get a little concerned, and we start looking to cut that, but certainly is up for discussion. So you move forward here, but really where you where you want to cut Mr. Mr trouble is. If you want to reduce that 8 million that's going to be in our capital, but that's going to be in our thoughts and in the people that they've added. So is there anything obviously quote on this point on the discuss the. We can defer this until the next problem we have. of pushing this present so what i've captured is a future discussion on the capital line and then potentially some discussion on notes correct okay thank you thank you sorry mine wasn't this easy speech so the next one we're a little ahead of schedule my first go around i think move to i.t Oh, it always helps, of course it does, there it is, lighting right in plain sight. Okay, we're at I.T., it's off of at 2230. 000 change in full-time wages like that of all of them well just i thought most wages were [48:17] David Marshall: like we were looking at four or five percent so three and a half so what's that we go eight point [48:23] Speaker D (unidentified): four i [48:26] Blair Tinkham: can't really speak on that i believe that was a whole day ago function maybe it was it last Okay. I mean, that 8.4% is including all students. Is that correct? No. I don't know. That's just so obvious. That's just wages. It's calculated with their three and a half COLA, and then their severance fees as well. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. So is there any other in the personnel block that you want to address? us obviously the other thing that we have highlighted for several departments that do have buyback on insurance that's i mean buyback on vacation that's in the budget [Speaker D (unidentified): is that] reflected by department should be reflected by department was that i have a tendency to use it right correct and so you don't see that in your department So moving on to operating costs, we'll just move down to utilities, telephone, he's dropping that by 10,000 computers, he's dropping 130,000. So just to talk on those two lines, this 446-7500, 446-7600, so I actually broke those two budget lines out to make it clear on what we're spending on safety from support that can't be it used to be like a maintenance budget line on a software licensing budget line. I think it makes more sense to break it out so we can say this is how much we're spending for public safety versus how much we're spending for non-technical. So that's why it looks like that, it's really just a minor an increase for the bunch of themselves and then operating cost-wise I think three percent will increase two thousand dollars and that's just for so many projects that's just solid for all these things it increases even over here so Apple is going to be the biggest one for us. So looking to put a little bit of money away so that we can do computer refreshes for Sheriff's Office. That one I don't know if we're actually going to be doing next year due to the fact that there was rumblings that the Sheriff's Office was going to get some money from Golo so they were going to replace some computers with that. So that capital budget line we may not use next year we may just scroll that way for after they possibly get their review refresh on that. You mean this sixty thousand? Yeah next budget line is to purchase a couple of MBTs for the Sheriff's Office. We're pretty low on our equipment for that don't have we have like one or two rub DTs left in stock so if one breaks we're we're really down one in the nine. Now just an MDT it's the mobile data terminal it's just the laptops they have in the preserves and then just looking to score away some money for our server refreshes and five years so you're looking to incrementally increase your capital funds. Yeah so we got all these this year you guys approved it for a server refresh so I just took to have these payment put it in the capitals and five years we can have some money for right to just either pay outright or possibly get another release. Okay looking to just kind of keep some [52:29] David Marshall: money in capital just in case you move up to the top of this page this year capital and equipment here forty thousand and your request is I mean eighteen thousand what's what's that change right [52:43] Blair Tinkham: years here. Yeah so the 40 that doesn't add after it so I'm not sure what you mean with that. So last year for 2026 we budgeted for the computer refreshes that we were doing this year [52:59] David Marshall: okay that's what that 40 was computers. Yeah and then this year I'm just looking to [53:05] Blair Tinkham: Refresh possibly a different department, which they have more computers in, the departments we be refreshed this year, so it's going to be more equipment that we're replacing, and then [53:14] David Marshall: Yeah, the servers, okay, so that's not, at least because it looks like number three on the servers, and it sounds like it's a reserve, but this is really a reserve, this is a budget you're going to spend, your plan on spending all this issue the capital, yeah, no, I don't plan to spend, okay, so the 40 000 last year that was spent, yeah, so like I said, the [53:39] Blair Tinkham: the servers, we're going to put that away five years. The, computer refresh for the sheriff's office. I don't know yet if I'm spending. That's because the sheriff's office need to gain money from general goods and computers. [Speaker D (unidentified): So I don't] I haven't heard much. I just got an email on it just yesterday. So it's just starting the process, I don't know how long that takes, yeah, well sure, so of course I've asked the problems to plan for whatever worst case scenario so that we're ready for this moment, so [54:20] Speaker D (unidentified): okay, yeah, thank you [54:25] Blair Tinkham: we are asking just to go over revenue like we have a contract with the scat was county for I.T services, we just need to negotiate that contract, hopefully get some more [54:39] David Marshall: revenue from them for that, so does the 36 represent what we currently have, no, 36 is what [54:45] Blair Tinkham: we're asking for, we generally on the low end get about 10 000 a year, and that's the low end because contractually we get 2500 per quarter, and then take over 40 hours we get different rates, so we charge them, so it could be one minute if they spend, if they did just 40 hours per program just to remind you we should, we saw that contract for us to send that to the SCADA because we're meeting with the SCADA here on Friday to discuss those things. So is there any open issues on this, Mr. Marlin? I'm ready to move on, I think I'd like to see less of the PAB profile. [55:39] David Marshall: Again, I completely agree that this is needed, I'd just like to see it phased in. I mean capital, this is planning phase here, but a little less this year because we just can't, we're not going to have a 30 in budgeting because it's just not a reality, so we've got to find money here to be able to budget, that's where it's going to be [56:01] Blair Tinkham: so I'd like to compare the capital, all right, did you make the notations, yeah, this is great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. [56:11] David Marshall: Okay, moving to Da. Good morning. Good morning. Okay. [56:30] Blair Tinkham: We all said, well, you know what? We'll start number the 98,000. [56:39] Andre Cushing: Well, I think the 98,000 that's for PayPal, or is that the 98,000 salaries? It's always this stuff increases. I think it's too, I mean, I don't think we, the numbers were not accurate in 2026. It was kind of like bringing that all to light, and because we have no new positions, we actually have currently, we're apparently, because there's three paralegal positions that are open, one we just filled, two possibly are waiting to hear back, and we'll leave a third that we still need to find somebody for, so we actually currently have three open positions, but they've been budgeted for the [57:28] Blair Tinkham: 26th budget defaults want to go into the 27th budget, so for payroll and benefits it's 162 thousand 000 fee split, and those pretty much reflected step changes and these COLA. Well, I think it's [57:49] Andre Cushing: step changes, COLA, I think there was probably, we didn't, you know, take into consideration buyback of the vacation times, and I think it's the insurance, health care, it's a big thing. So really, I don't think there's anything, I mean, the clerical, the [Blair Tinkham: Union] contract. I think they went out considerably, which was not probably in the contract. I'm not in the 2,026 budget because they think it was passed after 2,026 budget was passed. So it was a big increase from that on the contract. [58:38] Blair Tinkham: But that is the program of the 26 budget, correct. [58:42] Andre Cushing: So I think a lot of things would finally are now in mind. To work you should do any [58:49] David Marshall: questions, gentlemen? No, I don't know, but it's not significant about, but why are we able to eliminate stipends and differentials? It's like 16,000. It's just going [59:03] Andre Cushing: to limit it. Who got cycles? I'm not sure what it was before. Do you know? I don't know. I don't know the case for either that line. I'll score. Would that be, let's start to buy that vacation time or anything? That's not the health stipend. Oh, you know what, the stipend, I wonder would that be for the health insurance when you don't take it? No, that's on a different line. That's [59:29] Blair Tinkham: on, it's under the health insurance. Maybe it was down on there before, just moved up to the other line. There was nothing, if you look at the health stipend line under the health insurance, there was nothing in there in Australia. [59:44] David Marshall: Yeah, I think we'll [59:47] Speaker I (unidentified): try to reach out [59:50] Blair Tinkham: want to move to operating [59:55] Andre Cushing: question. It's great that it's now [1:00:01] Blair Tinkham: Chris offered me a five thousand dollar site. Yeah, maybe that's what it was for. [1:00:07] Andre Cushing: Our biggest jump here is computer services. What we're doing is we're going, I went, finally I went to eat prosecutor that is going to, as far as I know, come to play in February of 2027. We have to switch all of our county employees to GDATS email. That's a cost, and yeah, it just is what it is. We have to, we haven't come down to this line, but we've started, as you know, the nice, our nice evidence, and so we currently pay for a share of all system that we will have to throw up the key for one more year so that might be like six thousand dollars to do that, but after once 2020, I think by 2028 should be able to share, so we just need it to have one more year because we're not ready to [1:01:11] David Marshall: to switch everything switch everything on the nice is the nice amount of 82 275. so yeah that's our big job okay so right below that I don't know there's an 83901 what's that so it's like an offset line so what are you doing under the about five lines down is 82 275 which is our share well 82 275 is the cost of nice and then we're going to charge this cat was 20 but right below that there's a devil 83.91 what's that i don't see that [1:01:53] Blair Tinkham: that in my book. Yeah, it's 40. No, which in your book? Yeah, it's adjusted with doctor. I don't see [Speaker D (unidentified): it] Yes, should we just delete that up line 27? I think so. We could do something that set up, take a note on it. Okay, I thought I got rid of all those. That looks like it's fine. I feel good that didn't shake. [1:03:37] Speaker D (unidentified): We catch commissioner so [1:03:43] Andre Cushing: should it brings us down more. I think it went [1:03:45] Speaker D (unidentified): out. That's right. [1:03:53] Blair Tinkham: Are there any other questions or issues with the operating costs? We are going down on supplies. [1:04:00] Andre Cushing: Thanks to Chelsea, and that's going paperless, so we dropped that down a little bit, and I think we dropped down mileage a little bit, so that's great. Moving to capital, there's a breakdown. Oh, [1:04:14] David Marshall: before you do anything there, oh, is this the total for that, which is office advertising supplies 78 75? Is that the total for that? Is it on the net second page, the first final second page? [1:04:35] Blair Tinkham: Yes, that 106 is the total. That's a device. That's it. All right. Anything else on the operating cost? I don't have any questions. I think is that a change, a nice seven software? Is that an annual? It's going to take you to the [1:05:40] Speaker I (unidentified): law something that's good. Yes. [1:05:49] Blair Tinkham: I have no questions all operating moving to capital. You can see total of 42 000 capital. Here's the breakdown on the screen they're building they're building capital for their vehicle 5 000 a year computer equipment 12 000 and then furniture 25 000 for the room because it's computer vehicle. What was the third table the room the furniture oh yeah i just poked my yeah look at that today what'd you think i'm pretty empty [1:06:35] Andre Cushing: We just thought that you know since you know we understand there's you know no movement on that this year but if you could put some money away that would help that the cost does it have an anticipated cost whatever to do that too. I think the biggest cost is really going to be the furniture yeah the furniture and now that again that will kind of switch gears all out going with less paper i think we can actually change the i think we need to start with refreshing interest as elaborate as we want To because we needed space and i think we can [1:07:13] David Marshall: Bring that down it's the cost of 25 000. [1:07:18] Andre Cushing: No probably not but we just didn't I didn't want to be greedy anymore so I'm sorry it's trying to be frugal right I just yeah I don't think it's going to be enough to cover because I know when we got the first boat for the furniture I think was probably 50 000 sure so this is not even the cover you know the flooring electrical walls and we want to put a you know put us a hole in the wall to get through the office [1:07:58] Blair Tinkham: So there is going to be an expense and then for revenue that consists of 95k 455 [1:08:11] Andre Cushing: That's the voco grant and what else the vocal brand for 75 000 along with the cost of 20 to this cataclysm county to offset once for their portion of the price [1:08:27] Blair Tinkham: So that 95 000 broken down you've got that broken down Yeah. Well, she was scared. Yeah, right so much. [1:08:35] Andre Cushing: Yes. Okay, how many lines to 75,000 and then the 20% of the lead. [1:08:46] Speaker D (unidentified): Yes, thank you. [1:08:51] Blair Tinkham: We'd like us to add it. No i just i just love doing what it comes from i don't want them like that in the package gentlemen any more questions for the d.a no good [1:09:13] Andre Cushing: Job thank you thank you [1:09:15] Blair Tinkham: I think I talked to him last time. You're good for me. [1:09:23] Speaker D (unidentified): All right. We're moving on to EMA. [1:09:35] Blair Tinkham: So before we move on to EMA, I have two. I have a question on deleting line 27. And then you had a question on site that couldn't be here. [1:09:44] David Marshall: Yeah. Just can't carry it. It sounded like a special issue. [1:09:51] Blair Tinkham: It could have been that retreat we went to, Marvin. I didn't know that was not going on [Speaker D (unidentified): Okay so] Time wages the significant age is going to be the two additional positions that he's requesting in the budget questions on that. So obviously that is an area of discussion. [1:10:37] David Marshall: Probably hasn't been before. Is that, is that paid for by the state revenue positions? [1:10:43] Speaker I (unidentified): No, sir. We've maxed out our state, which [1:10:54] David Marshall: are the 2 positions we'll get down to. [1:10:56] Blair Tinkham: It I just wanted to highlight that change so you can see the cost as it adds to the budget. We added the buyback for his department of 4 000 and all the different mathematical physical health insurance events that's been added to it, but waiting for 226 676 [Speaker D (unidentified): is which] is a 55 change going [Speaker I (unidentified): to operate 20] 000 plus change [1:11:58] Speaker I (unidentified): Yes, can I actually just quick go back? One of the positions that we're talking about is actually just reclassifying position because we turn, so it's only one action full-time position. But yes, a $20,000 change, we're reducing our needing for computer programming, we're not going to have the same level of ESRI program, which is the GIS mapping software. We've eliminated or temporarily paused that program in our office because we have more basic emergency management needs from my perspective and value of programming that I want to address us first before we bring in that enhanced capability back to our office in the future year [1:12:45] Blair Tinkham: and then the line 25 [1:12:55] Speaker I (unidentified): 000 that is just moving that from capital line to an operating line because are the forms they have, do they have the line numbers from excel? Okay, so it's, it's zero three dash four dash forty dash nine [1:13:21] Blair Tinkham: it's for the alarm, correct? Yes, so they get it and folded it into donations, so yeah, just don't [1:13:31] Speaker I (unidentified): remember, so last year we moved from donations to a capital line for our department. This year moving it out of the capital line to operations because the capital line is built, we're not [1:13:42] Blair Tinkham: building, it's going to be each year, it's going to be a recurring expense. Yes, right, very good, so [1:13:53] Speaker I (unidentified): that is the twenty thousand five, so it's, it's not an addition, it's actually totally there a subtraction from the overall cost and a just a movement from my mind [1:14:16] Blair Tinkham: basically, let me let's tell you, well there isn't really anything significant in the operating cost except for the change, overall change of 27 000, which is highlighted predominantly what that change is, $27,000. [1:14:40] Speaker I (unidentified): So it's really only $2,500. [1:14:45] Blair Tinkham: But the $27,000 reflects the as-but-now in operation. Correct. So what's that cost? Pretty good. OK. Let's go with capital so [1:15:09] Speaker I (unidentified): I am requesting 119 000 capital coins. You have to ask that. Okay, that needs to be removed. Thank you for pointing that out. It brings 94k. Yeah, okay, perfect. It so ninety four thousand dollars, which is a six thousand, actually a 54 dollar increase for [1:15:53] Blair Tinkham: last year's fund projects. [1:15:59] Speaker I (unidentified): That we're looking to start building reserves from include radios, vehicle replacement reserve. We need to really consider working on building a redundant heater network system for the emergency management office. It's not going to be as robust as prcc, but it'll allow for us to have communications across the county. We're going to work to leverage grant funds as much as we can for that. This would be to help so online [Blair Tinkham: another line that] I'm introducing again this year is a grant cost share reserve, so that commissioners, as you will recall, was our ask last year. It was not supported. The idea that I would come back to would ask you to find the funds that we needed to support a grant. I'm not sure if we would have been able to be here continuing building our generator reserves for our different generator, for our generators present. We have nine different generators of varying sizes that we will support communities with the needs of their impacted communities. These are all small trailer. Contain generators, why this one being. [1:17:40] Blair Tinkham: 5,000, which one of those, pre, stage in the small market. [1:17:48] Speaker I (unidentified): Sir, no,, all of that equipment is. On campus, on campus here. Yes, we do have resources. resources staging east millinocket sheltering that's supported through our grant funds. Well that's the best, but you want mascots, you can trailer for eastbound. Yeah, and then just closing it out is our on the crew aerial support, our drone program officers are [1:18:23] Blair Tinkham: we having a regarding even go in the program. We are charging our managed partners who wish to use it a nominal fee toward capital. Are we doing that? No, we haven't, we haven't really encountered a situation [1:18:41] Speaker I (unidentified): where it's been outside of our regular like mapping. Yeah, so we're not doing that, we're [1:18:47] Blair Tinkham: not doing any math because of that staff situational thing, right. Okay, so that anticipated revenue you will not, we would not expect to see it till we resurrect that service down the road. Yes, right, any questions on the capital questioners? No, that's me and no questions. What was revenue [1:19:23] Speaker I (unidentified): so our revenue is emergency management performance grant which is up to 50 percent match our operating cost for our office of course this is not 50 percent but this is what we've been capped out at did we see a roughly eight thousand dollar increase in the funding for this from over last year that's reflectability if that is six it 's reflected in 186,498 i do not anticipate that continuing to be a trend we're going to be seeing anyway so those days ago i think that was more of a one-off situation. We've seen it continuously trend down, and then the other line there is for our LMPC fund. That figure is actually fifteen thousand dollars, and that will directly correspond with the LEPC floor. It's listed here in 10 minutes. It's 15. It should be 15. I believe that was an error on my part. I apologize [Blair Tinkham: and that] will directly just it's it's not any it's just a direct correlation of the expense of [1:20:52] Blair Tinkham: available to see. Yeah, okay. [1:20:57] Speaker I (unidentified): Those are the old offsetting revenues that our department receives, President. We do certainly bring in, as you'll see on the previous May 18, we work, our department is responsible for well over 400 000 grades coming to the county through different bundles, but yeah, all federal currencies, but they're not necessarily captured. That's where it's at the right place. Right, okay. [1:21:35] Blair Tinkham: I don't know if that's in your slide then, so [1:21:52] Speaker D (unidentified): What are we going here? [1:21:56] Blair Tinkham: My person. So, just look at the screen. I stand corrected. We don't be classifying or redefining the GIS position to be you. You make specialist with project the salary of 76,000. What was his salary? Right, it was, I think it was 70 times. Okay. And this, and then. The next 1 is a lengthy conversation, our visit to your county with the capability that they're building. But they have built over the years where they're at the point now, when you're generating revenue. This would be a grant writer specifically for emergency response CDS grants. Specifically, which is a capability, and I've Scott County needs to look at if we're gonna if we're gonna grow. And so that position if you're gonna get somebody that kind of skill set. We estimated around nine thousand. Yeah, this and these grants are not specific, these are not specific federal grants that they would be pursuing, but also foundation grants across the board, right, that would be these federal grants, just federal grants. [1:23:30] Speaker D (unidentified): So essentially response so [1:23:34] Speaker I (unidentified): The set salary has been set at that figure, because we're really looking for somebody who has that demonstrated experience in bringing in those high number of rates. The position, if successful, and we find a successful candidate will easily ideally pay for itself, and then provide much more revenue. Them to the need emergency response for the whole county yeah what did you what might [1:24:10] Blair Tinkham: you anticipate Chris for the amount of revenues brought in so we would compensate the [1:24:17] Speaker I (unidentified): cost yeah I would in just to piggyback off what the administrator said your county is bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars yeah I know that I knew they were doing well [1:24:32] Blair Tinkham: and are they the only county team that you know that has a grant manager for this purpose their EMA director acquired that skill set that was working for the Ring National Guard has really taken that on and started to build that capability over the years So he was familiar with the fed deal with that's yeah, if you look at you look at Boring. We go to Center. You know what has happened back in 2,000 era. This gentleman was built that yeah, you don't you don't want to rebuild Center what we're building. We paid for tuition for thousands of soldiers to go to school for free. and that was off the work of this gentleman who's doing that in York County with their training centers and the capabilities of the funds that he's built with those CDS grants that's a skill set as and as you look at these positions this is a progressive fill to build our emergency response capability over the years based on what Chris has designed here that would make us more comparative to our the bigger counties like Cumberland and York County's got 10 to 15 people on staff I mean it's Christmas two and so if you're talking about geographically merged response and twice the district questions Rosscott County has my opinion Director Fox grossing understaffed in order to build the ability but only that way so this would be the start of that I just wanted to highlight that to you in our discussion it's a good idea to hire revenue generally so that drives the salary that you saw at the beginning of this first question [1:26:34] Speaker D (unidentified): was showing I'm missing well I'm sorry okay [1:26:45] Blair Tinkham: so it's because we can help with this one no questions the only things that I caught on that [Speaker D (unidentified): was we] need to delete hazmat we have LBC clerk I [1:27:04] Speaker I (unidentified): can't remember it's just the figure in the revenues shows ten thousand but it should actually be fifteen I think the case already captured [1:27:15] Speaker D (unidentified): okay carry [1:27:43] Blair Tinkham: Facilities so these changes of salary adds the two maintenance technicians to the salary and then the salary differentiation with the new additional director. Questions on that Dylan? Any questions on payroll and benefits that you address here? Obviously Katie's added the step increases, stipends. The only thing that sticks out, paid courses. The main purpose and that's just, that's just an actuary, that's cost we have to, we're obligated to me. Oh yes, and by adding people, but yeah, so that includes the two new people we're bringing, the sour difference between, yeah, the current, the past, yeah, so then that's included in that. Yeah, that's included in the figure. 26,000 just [1:29:54] David Marshall: a question position. We. Like, I think a month or so, maybe longer tweak that. Then we make somebody. That was also going to be on call and we change them. We already changed something with this budget here in that. [1:30:08] Blair Tinkham: That we, while we haven't opened them up, they haven't had time to have the 2 positions that you guys agreed to vote it off to. Okay, so is this a position beyond that? And that adds those 2 positions plus the salary increase of the drug? No. Okay. I thought it was 1 position. We had a 2 to the jail. This is to, it was for dedicated to the jail and. One of your upper right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we had two minutes technicians to expand our hours on response and support for the jail based on our analysis. Have not, would you guys approve to fund and this last quarter to fund those two positions, whatever that salary increase was for this last quarter and then the remainder of their salary, well next year's salary for adding to this, right, so we added one for this year and then we said the second one we talked about as part of the budget, wrote it on two. Yeah, it's just two. Okay, so I'll capture this includes those two plus the differential of pay scale for the for 27 months, but understood, I will, I will validate so one, but one was just for this year and the second one I'll say next year, two already you voted on two to one, you didn't go around. Okay, not concurred. Okay, so it was two to one, two positions starting October, which we have not out of time, so we have to go back, but it's how come we have an MSF for understaffed and overwhelmed. Great, we're moving a little. Okay, operating costs, this indicates a two thousand dollar shift [Speaker D (unidentified): shift and] to the, to the plus, I'm going to have to look at this a little closer to be sure that really meets our operational needs It's like the driver was consulting fees or took out was that took out 50 000 consulting fees you don't know yeah I've seen that at all so that's kind of It there and the utilities that increases that's going to be across everybody's going to be saying maybe the capital's following that and we looked at again I mean what's going to have to be capital because we need to have some discussions on how we're going to maintain our facilities for landscaping future we've agreed to refine the contract this year with Galant simplify that for the name of this year and have agreed to that we've got to look at is that the most cost effective way to maintain Our facilities with the future so that may be changed also [1:34:02] David Marshall: I have a couple of questions. One under the building and equipment is heating. So that's heating for what building? 46, 3500? Except for this building? [1:34:21] Blair Tinkham: This building and Frank. Say again? This building and Frank. [1:34:29] David Marshall: And I know that budget about the 6 year, and we use natural gas, but we actually looked at with it. I think the price is going to be this way. I don't natural gas is going up. It was somewhat up. Well, eating must be. But then on the next page is in line for. What's what's that? [1:34:50] Speaker I (unidentified): Yeah, I think I think actually share the. In the line above that's the heating for 35 000 now asking for 3 000 right actually has to do with [1:35:03] David Marshall: Repairs maintaining it okay so this is one third of the actual cost of the 120 000 when we expect to pay for natural gas yes sir okay and [1:35:24] Speaker I (unidentified): let me just point out that the line just to show that we've paid everything back but three of the things we definitely have so is that the 30 well just all of those some of those columns there 's a lot of things that go on here by short time working in terms of all that cost that cost [1:36:03] Blair Tinkham: So we need to relook at this, move it back in the [1:36:16] David Marshall: Equipment that you have on the capital. So don't be confused, you've got $3,500 that's what's recommended for this year, but that would really count anything and then you earlier said if we need to spend like 700 000 in the [1:36:34] Blair Tinkham: county building so where's that figure some building improvement so when you look at the slide deck that i sent you that's multi-million dollars of repairs with pictures we're building a multi-year plan to address those issues and we allocate 300 000 for the points so just 35 just for your capital return what 's the question well no that's okay on the budget of course on the capital seven capital equipment 3500 just that's for to build up our reserves exactly capital equipment would probably be either tools. Well, I think it's a little light to your question, so we can, we can get rid of building improvement and add it into the facilities budget like it's 300,000, but this is to address the barriers and sequential progressive way. My concern is some of those things that they break to exceed three thousand you have to apply that, so I this one along with many other things keeps me up. Yeah, that's the economic sort of damage that's hanging over ahead shaking the dice. Something doesn't look like the HVAC failed over the year though, so I'll get with Director Fox, we'll go back through these lines and we'll show that we've got an accurate picture [Speaker D (unidentified): picture for] a building facility. Do you want to add the 300,000 into the building? I'm [1:39:03] David Marshall: probably going to be a different, I just wanted to know where it was. Yeah, okay, good, you know [1:39:07] Blair Tinkham: are you well? Yes, comfortable with that number. That's where you have is now. I have to get and we gotta bring it up late. I well, I mean I can print the slide back so you can see the all various or fairness, but we can certainly, yeah, any other questions? We will have a schedule, I recommend like 10 minute breaks to thank you for sharing. I need a pen and tape want to email Suzanne, please move on [Speaker D (unidentified): to county commissioners.] Okay, ready to start again. All right, so full-time wages. Obviously, when you hired me wasn't in the budget, so my contract is added to this budget change. It's one new position for a deputy then bringing back. I believe the commissioner's salary range that you originally had that's there. I previously had four positions on there, but he needed three knowing that we were going to have this conversation. So really the only position I've added under the county commissioners is the I don't plan on selling it for vacation, but it could be Marianne. She's got a lot of vacations. Check on the vacation time for assistance. Any questions on payroll or benefits for the county commissioners at this point? No, I mean that's what we've looked at. We do moving on to operating costs. [Speaker D (unidentified): Costs this] went up significantly based on my higher use of legal assistance I don't see that changing based on all the things that come across my destiny so I 've added that my budget your budget our budget went over this year has gone over a lot of it has to do with legal assistance issues that we've dealt with in the last eight or nine months so legal assistance i've budgeted sixty thousand which is right around where i'm at right now dealing with grievances and assaulting time so when we have any things doing with [1:48:39] David Marshall: contracts and labor contracts that comes out that is that's not an hr that 's in this line I have added it, so it's in here. Yeah, okay, so that's like if we've got can, if you've got questions about county in general as well as contract stuff, that's all it does, okay. [1:49:01] Blair Tinkham: Now she may, we might be down with double counting as we look, as we look at the line, so it's a problem. She gets up here, we can talk. I've added it to my, online computer services, that's for HR's condition of the systems. Plus there was 20,000 that was budgeted last year. Like a better way to say that, slush or whatever we need for additional issues. We can take that out if you guys want to, but I can't. It, yeah, which line here? It would be computer programming resources 40 zero two, so twenty thousand of that, of that line was added for basically county administrator. We could add online, it's called discretionary funding. Just want to bring that to your attention. None of the other operating lines change that much except office and advertising supplies that reach by 13 000. The advertising base figures for RPS and things of that nature, you know, I'll turn over with that new people coming on board, right? Oh, so interesting, not a significant increase in capital. That's why you need the new computer and really see where I can lead it out to main positions and put us out of the deputy county administrator. 110 questions or concerns? All right, so we will wait for HR moving and well ahead of schedule. We just went through our budget 30 and gave it to Vietnam Dan. All right, good. Wow. [1:52:50] Speaker D (unidentified): What's going to do HR? That's how. [1:52:56] Blair Tinkham: The show nobody had a schedule, thank you. So you have the CD, what are you doing? Oh, well, we're done. Okay, the RCC needs D-A-I-T-E-M-A facilities director Fox and then they're going to re-look. [1:53:14] Speaker D (unidentified): Again, so thank you, thank you. Do we just do one or two of the products we've already on? [1:53:23] Blair Tinkham: Very protein, that's the ultimate. We'll look at the one Wednesday and yeah, that was good. [1:53:30] David Marshall: It'd be nice for people to generate, so now we're at HR, welcome. [1:53:49] Blair Tinkham: So salary changes and full-time wages would be again the condition of the one person who were previously, and these include all stepping increases, right? So the part-time position is deleted out of this budget, so HR will have three full-timers, 1.7, that's. [1:54:29] David Marshall: Not, I mean, it's new, but as I said, we've already approved. [1:54:38] Blair Tinkham: We've approved it, we've got funding. [1:54:43] David Marshall: It's just a point of clarification. So in essence, you're at a higher rate, but you're adding a half time position, you're moving a part-time to a full-time, and it will be obviously a salary differential. So my understanding is previous years, I think people. [1:55:05] Speaker D (unidentified): Full-time, but that changed over time, nutrition people leaving, giving them to our leverage. [1:55:21] Blair Tinkham: To get that awesome, so you can put places to places you need to know. [1:55:27] David Marshall: I think you've made a significant case for why we need that, particularly with the turn that we see in county government now. I don't recollect unless we counted the administrators, the admin in position as part of that in the past, you know, we had three people in there, so. [1:55:52] Blair Tinkham: From our lines, from our lines, it's not a big change, maybe for you guys from 26, but it's not going to change. [1:56:01] David Marshall: I don't have a problem with where we're going with this. Historically, as I remember, the HR director also served at one point as the deputy administrator. So the salary may reflect a difference between an H.R. loan and a combined loan. So can I only say that, so historically, when we're talking to folks about this, we all understand where some of those numbers came. And we did include this wage adjustment in 20. We did the wage adjustment in early 23, and we approved that mid-year. So there were adjustments that we made to bring people into a range of, I think, three to five. We felt that the county, being as large as we are, should have a salary commiserate with what people are being paid in comparable positions in county government in the 1 to 5 range. So that is how, and I'm just doing this historically for those of you who are not, we found that we had some positions that would be paid commiserate with people at the 9 to 12 level. And that created problems. It came to light at the end of 22. The HR department ran an analysis for us of how many positions we had in Penobscot County government, how many positions had turned over, and how many interviews and applications that they had that they had to respond to. And the churn was significant. There were 79 positions that year, four of which were department heads, and it created a problem that we felt many departments coming to us for more money. We were doing it in somewhat of a dysfunctional way. So the wage analysis and I think if we were to look at contracting with this firm Patriarch Data Labs that spoke at convention Mention and made a presentation. He's willing to update statewide numbers twice a year so that you'll be able to go in from an HR perspective. And look at what at least the county competitive market would be. And pull reports from that in the same way that years ago has provided you some tools on the [1:58:49] Speaker I (unidentified): financial side, well, [1:58:54] Blair Tinkham: and I guess that was a future conversation for us because. Because when I look at county comparisons, really, we can't compare the kind of $65 budget with a different CPI. Really, York, its comparatives with size and budget, [Speaker D (unidentified): too awesome.] And they have some. That's probably what they're figuring a lot. And in fact, if Somerset had been stronger, in my opinion, [1:59:51] Speaker D (unidentified): I kind of [1:59:56] David Marshall: look at it in the same way I look at Poland. It's snapshot in time. It gives you some baseline understanding of what your competitive counties that surround you may be doing. But I think you're also recognizing that we tend to compete more on the municipal level than we do in the county level. Yes, and so how we get those numbers and I'm not sure [2:00:22] Blair Tinkham: you've been able to ascertain how the market data comes into play or whether this spell will [2:00:30] David Marshall: We'll start to add municipal, which would be huge for many of our at least top five counties, I think, where you're competing against larger municipal governments that sometimes are offering more favorable bonuses and or salaries because they have a smaller universal footprint with us. [2:00:51] Speaker I (unidentified): It gets more fun, as you probably know. [2:00:56] David Marshall: But I think these are healthy discussions, questions internally as well as to share with our partners so that we're educating them on the constraints of what we have to deal with. And I think, Gloria, you mentioned to us at one point that there was some interaction among county or town administrators expressing to their colleagues what their wage decisions did to their municipal needs, so I think that's a healthy discussion, you know, we obviously can't do price fixing of any kind, but we need to know when you throw a rock in the puddle, those [2:01:38] Blair Tinkham: waves splash a lot, okay, that'll be quiet, moving on to her operating costs, predominantly most superb increase in our operating lines, it deals with the upgrades for isola of 41 000. so overall a change of 44 000 commissioner tremble there is potentially some double counting here legal assistance what i do i'm a heavy hand when it comes to using the problem so if you would to look at where we are with 26 budget like i would say we need all that on budget so that's what a new conversation for a couple times potentially a little bit still grievances how many contracts slowly for the key at least two when [2:02:43] David Marshall: did those start, right, okay, but when do they end, I guess, actually, so these are the line and fop [2:02:58] Blair Tinkham: well, we haven't closed on, but there is budget in here, we are forecasting [2:03:05] Speaker D (unidentified): for whatever, I'm sure we have [2:03:09] David Marshall: a total of, is it seven bargaining units here [2:03:17] Speaker D (unidentified): six, so [2:03:28] Blair Tinkham: that's really the only other significance in hr's operating costs, questions on our operating lines, capital line went up 1500, and that's panels basically for cubicles that exist, how [2:04:05] David Marshall: many, how many employees is this, three, I mean, let's look at the what we've got in there for the health insurance, I know we had to calculate money, but that just is that correct that we've got it [Speaker D (unidentified): we just assume] we're going to have a family plan, yeah [2:04:27] Speaker D (unidentified): that's assuming, yeah, and [2:04:31] David Marshall: what do I say today, we pay 75, that's not good, it's amazing what do we do with the hsa, I know for me is that they were violating for the worst case in the [2:04:47] Speaker D (unidentified): future, so you find it's just a thing [2:04:53] Blair Tinkham: hlsa is also included in that golf insurance [2:04:58] David Marshall: So we're talking $2,000 per current employee, so there's $12,000 in here for HSA contributions. [2:05:14] Blair Tinkham: And once we get through HR, after that time, we can go into diligent work like Katie's done. It so we can treat the class so HR we have two divisions roughly that you can see it's on salary. [2:05:39] Speaker D (unidentified): Questions are. [2:05:48] David Marshall: We taking these under advisement or how human upgrading well we're taking notes. [2:05:53] Blair Tinkham: only one that you worry you're on is teach these so i have that 's not what we want from here okay so this is the personal role now that's fighting takes into our fire department on what we're forecasting for wages, salary, part-time, health insurance, retirement benefits. [2:06:39] David Marshall: Can we back up in the beginning? [2:06:41] Blair Tinkham: Some of the budget summaries. Budget summaries. [2:06:47] Speaker I (unidentified): Third cabinet, or second cabinet. [2:06:56] Blair Tinkham: This gives you a little bit of a department. We had it all the way down by person. And what new people, and what were the patterns you plan to consider? We're also taking into consideration what potentially is the worst case scenario as I move through the negotiations with the unions, what that would look like. That's in this budget for your consideration. So do you have questions on this? Because this is, I think this is what's stemming a lot of the dissidents by the number, the number is. But we will, the finance has done a great job with the departments to really drill down into what our payroll and benefits is going to look like in 27 and I can show you some math what we look at every day that would make you chest right when it comes to what we caught this year. [2:08:04] Speaker D (unidentified): Is that an active record no. [2:08:09] David Marshall: Question when I look at these columns I see full-time wages I see overtime is that projected or actual this is all projected this is not. [2:08:25] Blair Tinkham: It's projected based on what the department has forecasted in their department for 2027 looking at their operational needs, what they've done, and then obviously looking at a 7th and 8th district so that we have a good understanding of where we're at. Staffing trance is improving that as well with the huge turnovers of jail and PRCC. See yeah so. [2:08:55] David Marshall: When you talk about that Katie have you kind of seen any tracking of what the last four years turn has been what that is the startup costs or the you know the orientation costs. [2:09:10] Blair Tinkham: Associated with some of those like this would be about seven year history but not and that's. [2:09:17] David Marshall: That's the basis of the. [2:09:20] Blair Tinkham: Historically, it's all been under budget. Shocking. Do I have a detail one that you have? Slide that. Should be personal detail. Yeah, it's just got a filter on it, so I'll go up to it. Go all the way over to the left. It's. Filtered on Department 8, so see that little hourglass going down. It's like all. Yeah, there you go. Okay, so as you can see there's 249 employees here, and then as you move across you have by wage line, it's obviously in person shapes, and then [2:10:13] David Marshall: they're having paper sometimes the desk doesn't refund [2:10:18] Blair Tinkham: so we have a higher date when they're filled their annual base their overtime time, COLA, what their COLA potentially is going to look like, what health insurance they have, what their Medicaid and FICA is, their retirement, workman's comp, unemployment, total loaded, and then their cycles. So you haven't had this before, you now have it. [2:10:47] David Marshall: And that is in the workbook that you- That is the workbook that you've been provided. [2:10:52] Blair Tinkham: I haven't looked at this in detail, but Katie has spent several hours. So what you do have under that budget summary tab is about what all the assumptions that we so click in any one of those cells. else. But under the benefits, maybe not. You might not have a live. But they're all Yeah, so it's all linked to the assumption page. So Katie, we typically went through four different meeting curves. We took a hard look at health care because we've been way over budget on that all year in other words we under budgeted for it last year right sorry well for being thirsty and signal our signal line has been wacky this year so we adjusted all that so i mean sometimes it's like you don't you don't really want to get that detailed right because you have changes in positions but then we left we tried to leave leeway and the hsa cost anybody coming on put them at higher rates so i feel like it's a good balance of accuracy based on where we are and maybe some of our changes going forward and [2:12:41] David Marshall: you've created this commentary in the budget summary that i haven't [2:12:45] Blair Tinkham: budget what do you mean what it comes to none of the help [2:12:48] David Marshall: i think in conveying this to the budget advisory committee and the budget committee it's important that they understand some of the historical gaps if we're going to be transparent we need to give them and if you don't agree with that i understand that be open to any conversations but we all know our fiscal life is really quite [2:13:18] Blair Tinkham: Transparent to change the public community. We can, I don't see the added value in having a budget committee look down into this level of detail, but we, because we captured it for you and in the summary slide, but I wanted to show commission this because obviously this is a systemic change. Yeah, I think the thing that might be helpful with the budget is we're not going to [2:13:48] David Marshall: have the actual 2026 figures, maybe an estimate, but when we get to where they're going to be, budget committee, because right now you look at the budget proposed personnel in the adopted 2026, the delta is like 3.6M, but what was adopted for 2026 isn't going to be the actual, the actual is going to be higher than that, 27,000,340,000. Health insurance wasn't calculated right. A lot of things work out. So maybe it's going to be 28.3. Maybe the difference is only 2.8 million, not 3.6 million between 2026 and 2027. And we are going to be able to give you the actual figure for 2026, but. What was adopted is going to be less than what was actually. Yeah, I think we can show me because the monthly reports that I run show that every month. So this shows like a 13% right now. It shows a 13.3% increase with the new positions. New positions over last year, but I think it would actually be less of the action because this is what was adopted last year. Yeah, if you, if I understand what you're saying, Dan, we're carrying over on budget expenses from 26 that are going to have to reflect in the 27th budget and the budget committee needs to understand that 's contributing to the increase of every 27 well i mean nobody's going to be happy it's an independent one from [2:15:27] Blair Tinkham: the other areas, and a lot of us carry, so we borrowed 1.4 million from TIFF with an interest of 2.3 percent to offset all of these things, so from a macro level you could say your budget was in another 1.5. Now we've done some cost savings, the departmentals are looking at the operating awesome monthly basis, we can show that, but we're, am I off now for that? [2:16:00] David Marshall: No, so that's the budget on the wall. I mean, if it's not crazy about work. We can still use that figures that you saw half of the overall. Yeah, I'm not interested in creating more business. I think the level of this detail being shared with the advisory committee at some level helps them to convey to the electeds the root cause of some of these problems. I mean, we did a budget last year not understanding what you have been able to find us so far this year. Yeah, this is the first time that I have seen analytics that give me confidence that we're actually presenting while Painful but a realistic look at what the budget should be, and at the same time you budgeted in here, I assume, a segment to recruit our lost fund balance. We probably haven't even gotten there yet there. I well, it, you know, this is, this is another [2:17:17] Blair Tinkham: This is an area that I struggled with really articulate our what they've done a great job is that they've identified how to rebuild the capital reserves. What we haven't factored in this, but I haven't really done a great job of understanding how to best do this, is how we capture our fund. Now do we have, do we have math in here that could potentially leverage that over time? Obviously, in fact, in the worst case scenario and sort of things with our negotiations, but there's lines in here, but we don't have a, we're, I guess to answer your question, we don't have a set plan right now on how we're going to recapture if we have a 10-year plan 590 000 in front of us. On top of adding capital. Yeah, I don't have a good answer. [Speaker D (unidentified): To consume.] That one should be. The jail budget. [2:18:32] David Marshall: I don't know. Oh, [2:18:35] Blair Tinkham: No,, because the jail wasn't separate. [2:18:39] David Marshall: What do you mean it separately with that? [2:18:41] Blair Tinkham: The committee, the committee only votes for the jail tax. It doesn't vote for the jail budget. Okay. Because that's what your jail tax is primarily taxed on, not the jail budget. The jail budget is off what I call off the income stream. It has nothing to do with the tax money. [2:19:11] David Marshall: But you said, if I understood you correctly, then it should include rebuilding the fund balance. [2:19:18] Blair Tinkham: It should, because that's what sucked up. Again, it was probably not the law. But again, but legally we can only put it to do from. [2:19:32] David Marshall: So you're saying that we could assess over the legally allowed jail cap for debt [2:19:43] Blair Tinkham: Service? So it takes up all right, so let me let me go to some way to turn so I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I don't want to get ahead of what the jail someone you got I know, but I will give the jail tax cap. No, it's about 14 million that we need to meet expenses next year. That's significantly over that's 2 million over. Or what we're allowed in order to meet expenses. Now, there's nothing, based on my discussions with the state, there's nothing prohibiting us from increasing that jail tax cap from a legal standpoint to recoup the $2.5 million we lost in five years, except from a political standpoint from an emotional level from every municipality every municipality when I when I sat with the budget with the municipalities I articulated that Alice financed Derrick we saved them so what he's saying is okay you increase your jail tax cap you start recruiting Finance all Right but I think I was going to do it on this one I should always have said that jail is tomorrow but right now is the jail budget stands and we and our it's really one source of revenue right well two we have the jail captain that we are short 1.1 million so we're also next year's budget or for this year next year's budget so we have to lift it I mean we have to lift it to 14 million just to break you that's not going to give us any power the way it sits right now what do you [2:21:50] David Marshall: Anticipate from your study the jail owes the county from overages that we've known them 11.9 million so 590 over 10 years only gets us halfway there that's 5.9 million out of 11. I don't think anyone in this room you're going to have to worry about it but maybe Katie, that works. Is well, does anybody over there? [2:22:35] Blair Tinkham: Suzanne said she would stop down. [2:22:39] Speaker D (unidentified): Maybe you want [2:22:44] David Marshall: To go back to your non-departmental. [2:22:46] Blair Tinkham: You guys don't have a discussion on your non-departmental sure. Sure, [Speaker D (unidentified): Yes,] Marianne. I'd like to think up on the tab. I mean, just like that. What if we have a point? 49 revenue. [2:23:16] David Marshall: Are we looking at revenue or you [2:23:30] Blair Tinkham: Know those are expensive? Assistance yet that's what's happening Also those other program services the commissioner the question I've rushed over this by brief this getting obviously the PR system loan the projected tan interest of 500 000 and then paying back the tiff by June 2027 seven is all projected in this non-departmental lines these lines historically are what we potentially donate to other people how we yeah so [2:24:33] David Marshall: Meet purge is related to what agencies are in this. That's the retirees, okay. So there's nothing you can do there, right? And health and safety, we obviously can't do anything with. Is that related to benefits on [2:24:53] Blair Tinkham: the county insurance? I'm not quite sure how that's going to change. [2:25:04] David Marshall: That's called the tires. But the health and safety, I mean, I know it's not a lot, but I thought we used to get that from [2:25:12] Blair Tinkham: insurance care that they paid. Yeah, Sigma does reimburse that. Might be additional expenses. So the insurer, [2:25:41] David Marshall: county insurance. Oh, we just said that's retiring. We've got to preserve of that bridge account. That's foundation. It's just it's a holding place in case we ever have to do a [2:25:55] Speaker D (unidentified): bridge. All [2:25:58] Blair Tinkham: three, the first three retiring applicable to the retirees, right? Well, no, the [2:26:05] David Marshall: second one is helping the health and safety committee expenses and development corp. I assume is EMDC. It has [2:26:22] Blair Tinkham: to do with how well it is. I don't [2:26:28] David Marshall: believe so. I may be listening, but isn't there another line item for Northern Work First Development Board? Does that money pass through the county or does it go directly to him? They actually pay us and then we [2:26:47] Blair Tinkham: go south, at least [2:26:49] David Marshall: so this is just this is a contribution if you have to follow. It's under department 30 here, but it historically was department. Was it historically department 30 or yeah, [Speaker I (unidentified): yep. When] you say program donations, what does that refer to under [2:27:14] Blair Tinkham: item 34. So I'm going to pull up last year's. I think that was, I [2:27:21] David Marshall: think there was rape response and the barn and so you are two that got left three. As I remember, we had bills, we had a lending library response and in the barn. Yeah, yep, that sounds right. Could we draw opioid dollars to cover the barn donations? We discussed that. She had [2:27:53] Blair Tinkham: I would support. Well, they can, they're too, they need to apply to the to the committee, but [2:28:01] David Marshall: they applied. It's only one, the committee only does one, right? Yeah, this is a one-time but it's cyclically, it's not going to align with the budget for this year. It I mean, we could ask the committee to approve that outside of their other applications. But they're gonna ask if that's coming out of the 400. We can just do it. So [2:28:28] Blair Tinkham: actually that 25 we had, we took out all the barn money last year. It was just the bills for 21, 5 and 3,500 for a response. [2:28:43] David Marshall: Also the, I'm sorry, what was the first one? The bills, the library. How much did we do there? [2:28:52] Blair Tinkham: Twenty one thousand five hundred. Okay. [2:28:56] David Marshall: Yep, and we moved the hazmat over to EMA, and it's now a cash account, no operation operational account as opposed to a budget. So anything they don't drop, because there's been years where Pardo has not asked for all of the money, so whatever is left would improve in that account of this new operation, right? You don't sweep it into next year. So if it doesn't get drawn, it remains there really just being used for out there. Okay, we got panquis at 10. Soil conservation. Did we know if there is a that's for a requirement for us to support soil and water conservation? It's [2:29:54] Blair Tinkham: basically one person's salary, but I [2:30:01] David Marshall: don't see here. Oh, yes, I do. Rob Scott County. No, I don't see the University of Maine. Cooperative extension so we don't start coming yeah okay I'm sorry yes I do see it here right next to it yeah and that is a position at the University of Maine it's not a specific position but you [2:30:38] Blair Tinkham: contribute a certain quarterly 25,000 quarterly [2:30:45] Speaker D (unidentified): one yes nothing so we won't see that donation was not on you yeah I don't see EMDC on you [2:31:01] Blair Tinkham: that's the development preparation yeah okay that is well I haven't I had that as NWB [2:31:10] David Marshall: so there's two there's a loan and interest line for 1.14 step but then there's the TIFF plus less interest number two there's two loans that have to be paid back the RCC loan PRCC is the oh that's the low that's not the culture that's how I'm going that's not in that budget okay it's debt service in the county for a bond and we're about five years into that I think [2:31:42] Blair Tinkham: yeah it's 10 years isn't it yeah I know he's done but not we don't expect to spend more roughly 50,000 still in that account but well when Brad and I looked at it but we've been paying it back it's like a lining Okay, so yeah, so I bring this to you because this is gonna have to make some tough decisions like the number. This is where I don't need to do it today. I just wanted to bring you where we're at. I added 300,000 for wages and stipends because I think your wage study is four years old yeah and we look at the salary increases that we've made with those that have been vacated I need to make it right to the other department but that's the number I keep up let me ask a question about the labor what's the labor relations three thousand dollars is here that's a that's a line that we elected at three thousand that could be deleted because it's in my it's in the contract so now I can go away Sure, delete it right now. I think in the bridge account you decide that you need to have that. Is that like that account? Huh, you need to have that account. Is that like four? No trouble, five. Don't drop that kind of. [2:33:36] David Marshall: No, it's in the event that we had to build a bridge. We have an accountable. I understand that, so just help me understand what the blue numbers versus the red numbers did. [2:33:55] Blair Tinkham: Their new numbers. Oh, okay. [2:34:04] Speaker D (unidentified): So five three are. [2:34:13] David Marshall: You ready for my good news? I had a conversation with the companies that you, that we've engaged with to do the original design work in November. Post-election we have to go to the planning board to get approval, and there's substantial design work that is required there. They said they could accomplish what was necessary for the planning board for about 50 percent of the design work cost, which as I recollect was 5.6 million dollars, which means 840 thousand dollars will be needed after November if. This reference that passes, and I know that we can recruit that out of the bond, but they're not going to do the work for most of it. They're not going to be free, so we may want to have a conversation with Andy Ord as to what the time frame would be after November. I'm. [2:35:26] Blair Tinkham: Going to have to have to go. We. [2:35:30] David Marshall: Can, I'm sure, I understand that, but would you rather have it now or in. [2:35:35] Blair Tinkham: November? So. Just so I'm clear, and maybe the conversation will add clarity, so we did a concept design, the DCCM or whatever they're called. In order for us to move forward, we're going to need a more deliberate design. What it's going to cost us to build this jail from the concept, so that's going to cost us 800 000 at least. But when we met them, hey, we were two weeks ago and. [2:36:12] David Marshall: They said maybe a week ago, and he said he's gonna come back to us for the cost of two months of work, and I thought this was what he was gonna come. Yes, yeah, he's gonna, he's gonna come back. With a proposal which will incorporate the costs associated with them working with BCCM. And again, this is all my perspective, but if this wins 60 to 40 in November, they say, oh yeah, you can locate the facility outside Bangladesh. I am very uneasy moving forward spending any money until we get the fund passed. I just don't see how we spend a million dollars on a bond which is less than a. 50 chance of passing. Well, you can't go through the planning process to know what you're, I think we should get Haley Ward to come in. I think I'm going to get this option. They don't see how we can, but that's, that's part of the proposal that this line work would be associated. With it, yeah, if we spend a million dollars for planning and then the bond loses, we're really Well, you can't go up to the bond until you know what the building is going to cost you. I mean, you can take the camera, right? Yeah, and we're going to have to put it up. [Speaker D (unidentified): Mm-hmm, so okay.] Well, there is a clause, if I'm not mistaken, that you can vote to continue with somebody you already have a contract with, so [2:37:45] Blair Tinkham: Right now we don't have any contract with anybody, correct? [2:37:47] David Marshall: But we have had an existing relationship with any award. If we reach them to do the design work to take to the planning board, the RFP I think you're referring to will be after their work is done. They send the granular details to the contractors to RLP to know them, and that's where things could get really interesting as to the actual cost versus the [Speaker I (unidentified): Productive cost, but] I think when they come back with their proposal, we'll have an opportunity to should discuss it. But you should be aware there's going to be a cost over the next year if this [2:38:34] Speaker I (unidentified): Passes to go to the go through the process, okay? [2:38:42] Speaker D (unidentified): She's not component. [2:39:02] Blair Tinkham: We're done with the day. Tomorrow we have the sheriffs, jail, civil, and finance. Tomorrow jail corrections control UT will you kill you and Hill. We're supposed to wait for Hillary's going to be your dad. We did. She's going to have to put her in tomorrow. So I guess my question is, well, I think something comes back down to the [2:39:50] Speaker D (unidentified): Tax level that Russia's [2:39:58] David Marshall: Coming to stop about bringing this to four million never made. I'd like to see another [2:40:03] Blair Tinkham: Yeah, but that's before we realized that all the all of the deficiencies and the cost and the shortcomings that we have incurred that have been uncovered. Oh, I know what we're facing. I just don't [2:40:24] David Marshall: think we can recover it in one year i mean we're a great guy this year we're going to make great strides but i mean we had a lot of new positions and we're adding a lot of new things it's just and they're not there's no debate that needed it's just what can we afford i mean maybe they have more money in milwaukee than they have a bank or broker so if we look at the 8.8 What percent, what dollar amount of that is carry over from 2,026 budget that we did not account for? What you say, 1 point, 8,000,000, [2:41:13] Blair Tinkham: Well, and it's also, I Think It's well, actually, so you get one for the board to have. Oh, well, I don't know how you want to go. Kind of, but we don't care, we're on the budget. We had 90 000 with vacation by that, okay? So [2:41:58] David Marshall: That would be an increase, doing some napkin math there, but that's an increase in this year's budget of 6.8. [Blair Tinkham: Roughly. Okay. Okay.] What was last year's budget? [2:42:23] Speaker D (unidentified): Thirty-six. We'll get that figure. [2:42:26] David Marshall: Somewhere here for twenty-six. Thirty-five, four. Thirty. [Blair Tinkham: Thirty-five, four.] Sixty-four hundred dollars. That in itself is a nineteen percent increase. We take two million out of that should have been in 26, we're looking at 19, you know, one million that we cut. [2:43:05] Blair Tinkham: while the budget committee cut it still owed it was one of what turned out to be 1.8 billion actual accounted for costs i guess my question is when i look at your county your tax rates you about that which is but i don't you know this previous change that you've averaged for all through the 2000s and then you we just start scrolling out through here you've averaged what say five percent change each year twenty Nine. Yeah, my blood said my number, but I'll. Continue with your problem, I guess. You know, it really comes down to how we're going to solve it. And because the problem started in start in start 20, started back in 2,000, because we weren't addressing certain things. So you want to address them. You're you're addressing. There's no point in to upgrade your facilities. And it shows, you can see it based on the tax level and you change over the years. So I guess you didn't really grow that count wise in the last five or six years. So I guess my question is, what would you like to do? I'm I'm sitting, I've identified a lot of problems for you, much to your chagrin. My question is, this number doesn't get any better unless we start having candid conversations among. [Speaker D (unidentified): These spots if.] You want it around 15, one comes in the slash, and we'll do nothing to improve our capital, so you don't prove it on national. No, you still can, you just don't add all. [2:45:23] Speaker D (unidentified): The people well now. [2:45:28] David Marshall: Yeah, put it all out there. Okay, let me tell you, make it fat taste sad sound, but the. [Blair Tinkham: Reality exists.] That we're doing nothing to improve our cash position, and that means we're just going to set fire to half a million dollars every human interest. [2:46:05] Blair Tinkham: Until we get the physical. Yeah, the interest radius. Yeah, about a half million. Well, before we move to the budget committee, I don't know what we want to do, because once we get to all of the department heads, we're going to have to have another session where we discuss this, where you want to go, because I don't have a great answer. [2:46:44] David Marshall: Let me tell you, we're going to have to address the budget tomorrow, maybe, you know, next Wednesday. [2:46:49] Blair Tinkham: So I don't think we need to sit here very much longer. We'll just add a couple pages [2:47:00] David Marshall: to schedule and we've captured all the notes, right? So the 21st, if I understand correctly, would be actually my first is your time. Yeah, traditionally I don't recommend that we [2:47:19] Blair Tinkham: know today. Yeah, I have two days in a row. You need to set two days when your first is [2:47:25] David Marshall: going on 24-9. No, but I'm asking whether we have this review after that meeting or I, my [2:47:35] Blair Tinkham: recommendation is we have another commission workshop. I put this in, I've already scheduled that tentatively for Thursday the 22nd. One second, I anticipated it so [2:47:51] David Marshall: we start. Thank you gentlemen to be asked to be [2:47:55] Speaker D (unidentified): fine [2:47:58] Blair Tinkham: whatever can accommodate you guys, but we need to have all the time to go through everything to do the things we need to do and whatever amount of time it takes to get through it because really what we're looking here for gentlemen is, I mean, we can schedule it into the 26th. What we're trying to do is solidify what you are comfortable with for a budget because the next step in this would be when you start sending to the budget to the budget making three departments at a time give them a week to look at it, push back their questions, Mr. Stokes, figure out two meetings for that, right? These two. Oh, these three. [2:48:52] David Marshall: Okay, good. Can I suggest you've got stuff that we do today and tomorrow that is not top of our [2:49:00] Blair Tinkham: show? What travel that is. [2:49:04] David Marshall: Well, I mean, retirement, all these, we've approved deeds. Yep. So you've got deeds. If we can do probate, and that's not a commercial, we've got to be able to treat them all. Push all of this sundry stuff out to them in the first tranche. And then we give them the tough stuff in the next 2 cycles. Yeah, I mean, that way you pick up a week in the process. [2:49:34] Blair Tinkham: Yeah, in my opinion, you could probably HR, IT, DEEDS to that. [2:49:43] David Marshall: Was there any DEEDS offices? Let's take those three, HR, IT, and DEEDS. Go ahead, we just have time. So tomorrow, if we could reflect on DEEDS, I mean I.T and yeah that's the third one I'm sorry I said I.T deeds and it's our HR so if we vote in those other two that gives you three departments and we could probably have ut down so you could push those four out this week so you buy that first week of them doing stuff you know I'm just looking at the timeline so you get it aside with one with [2:50:30] Blair Tinkham: Administration don't want a deputy to cut it down or die. No, my position is the that if anything this class just taught us is that the things we've discovered, the things we shouldn't know, and the number of things that we have to address, and the and the school of what we're trying to do is going to it's more than a one-man one to be in shock. We've got to have a deputy director that can take the day-to-day stuff that we need to address, free up the administrator to focus on, you know, a long-term goal and it's it's something I think we've needed, just we've never realized we need it until now, kicking it down the road six months, nine months, a year. I'm not calling picking problems down the road. I think it might mean we have to bite the bullet and whatever the tax increase, that's what the tax increase is, and we need to stop picking things down the road. We're just doing that [2:51:37] David Marshall: So the gentleman prepared to vote on the admin budget tomorrow as well as Yep, well, I think it you can share I'm compatible. [2:51:47] Blair Tinkham: You can vote on da it you voted on deeds already. Hr administration finance should be well done it should be and we made it there's at least four [2:52:05] David Marshall: years I'm thinking the sooner that we get this in process I think you're going to agree and then we can push those to work but and we should probably do ut because that's supportive that's not going. So at least give them let's move what we can to pipeline to buy that extra week at that. [Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, anything] else you can close me out. You want to vote? Sure. Sure, we'll do that during the [2:52:50] Blair Tinkham: paper.