Hampden Council Approves Fee Ordinance, Waste Rules, and EMS Plan

[0:15] Matthew LaChance: Good evening and welcome to the Hampton Town Council meeting for Monday October 5th I'll ask if you're able to please Stand and help me with the Pledge of Allegiance Thank you. First item on tonight's agenda is the approval of the agenda. Do I have a motion, please? So move I have a motion. Do I have a second? I have a motion in a second Does any counselor wish to alter anything on tonight's agenda amend it? hearing nothing we'll take a roll call vote i'll start with kiki hi dennis hi motion is to approve the agenda passes six zero with one absent next item on the agenda is the consent agenda do i have a motion to approve i have a motion to approve do i have a second i have a motion in a second does any counselor wish to pull any item from the consent agenda for individual discussion hearing none i'll roll call vote for approval i'll start with john approve aye motion passes six zero with one absent next item on tonight's agenda is public comment i will remind the public that this is intended for the public to address council on any item not on the agenda tonight is there any member of the public who wishes to comment to council tonight you would please come up to the podium man if you make sure they got the light on okay there please there [2:24] Public commenter: You go. Thank you, Tim. Ross, Manny, Mill Road. Is there any decision about what's going to be done about the issue with the bridge? [2:38] Matthew LaChance: at the at this point you probably are aware that we heard proposals from these the state last time and all of that information is back with staff right now developing next steps for us so at this point that would be some it's something coming down in either writing or yes and i as i understand it and chief you might be able to address this all of our concerns relative to things like public safety and fire suppression and those kinds of things have already been tested and we're satisfied with [3:11] Town staff (Town Manager): that 's correct we have a plan and that's been being worked on it's kind of a so being worked on as we speak but we have also been utilized the [3:26] Matthew LaChance: Plan and practice the plan, so yes, okay. So I think relative to your question, specifically to the three proposals that council heard, that is back. It's with staff right now to look at what are the expenses associated with the actual engineering and all the other things that go on with that. So there will be that will come before council and public will be made aware of it, particularly the residents in Manning Mill Bridge. Well, there's no firm timeline at this point because of all the permitting and all the other things that we're not sure about yet. Yeah, okay. Thank you. Yep, I'd like to thank fire [4:11] Public commenter: the fire department for coming around inspecting smoke detectors and everything they've done for us. Absolutely. The restriction from the [4:20] Town staff (Town Manager): bridge and the fire truck restriction, absolutely. And you know, that plan, our staff, we just had a staff meeting recently and the plan was discussed with our Public Safety Department and the police department included, and we feel comfortable that we're in as good a shape as we can be under the circumstances. Thank you so I [4:46] Matthew LaChance: have any other public comment? Yes. [4:56] Public commenter: But I also wanted to ask if you're meeting next week on the on the 12th or is because of [5:07] Matthew LaChance: the holiday next our next workshop is actually scheduled for Tuesday I believe because Monday's a holiday yeah so it'll be Tuesday yes thank you and Amanda would you check to make sure that's on the calendar of the Tuesday I assumed it is but okay thank you thank you do I have any other public comment go having no other public comment we'll go into a policy agendas we have no news presentations and awards so we'll go into our public hearings the first public hearing we have is proposed amendments to the fees ordinance. Information can on that can be found in page from pages 29 to 52 of tonight's packet. Do I have a motion to go into public hearing? So move. Do I have a second? I have a motion in a second to go into public hearing. Roll call vote, please. We'll start with Mark. All right. Aye, Wally, aye, Don, aye, Dennis, aye. I will motion to go into public hearing passes 6-0 with one absent. Are there any comments from the public on the proposed amendments to the fees ordinance? Nobody online. hearing no comment from the public and nobody online I'll have a motion to come out of public hearing so move second i have a motion a second to come out of public hearing roll call vote please starting with john approve aye motion to come out of public hearing passes six zero with one absent i will now entertain a motion to adopt the fees ordinance so move second i have a motion and a second to adopt the fees ordinance i'm going to assume that's as written okay the motion is to adopt the proposed amendments to the fees ordinance as written I have a motion in a second a discussion from [7:19] Eric Jarvi: council boy you know I like to thank Darcy for providing the additional information on the pool fees specifically I'm referring to that she was able to estimate how much of the pool fees are covering the cost of the operating costs for the pool i find that very useful and i guess i would almost encourage other department departments if it's possible to provide that just gives a little bit of grounding on what we're basing our decisions on so thank you i [8:04] Dennis Marble: just want to make a quick comment and thank [8:07] Public commenter: Thank you for raising, in a very reasonable matter, the fee. [8:11] Dennis Marble: It's really appreciated for the resident. Dennis? [8:16] Christine Cubberley: I'm going to jump in on a similar note and say that I think we all respect the job you're trying to do as far as the fees go with staying solvent as a department and meeting all the expenses without pricing certain people out of their ability to participate. [8:32] Public commenter: So thank you. That's my biggest thing when we raise fees is that I'm going to lose business. it's going to hit me the opposite. I'm going to lose business and not bring in as many people and I don't know if you guys know but the Y is building a brand new place and I'm going to be in competition with them. They're one of my biggest competitors and they offer all the same services that I offer and with these fees I can still stay below what they ask for and some of the restrictions that they have. For instance being a member, everyone having to be a member in order to take certain classes and to do certain things. So we don't require that. We do have a member versus non-member fees. But it's confusing at times because there's four different pricing options for almost everything that we do. So resident, non-resident, member, non-member. So, whenever I change anything, it's like four different places that it has to be changed. [9:36] Matthew LaChance: Any other questions from council? Before we go into a roll call vote, I think that was an ideal suggestion to pass on to Paula when we think about our goals and objectives meeting in February is to ask the department heads that are revenue generating to come up with some kind of discussion as to how those fees are impacting their budget I think Wally that's kind of what we were you were leading on that right yeah right so pass that on to our department heads because I do think that'll facilitate goals and objectives and budget discussions next year thank you oh any other discussion from council a hearing nine and we'll start with a roll call vote starting with dennis aye well mark aye molly aye john aye motion for the proposed amendments to the fee or fee ordinance as written passes six zero with one absent next public hearing is the proposed amendments to the solid waste flow control and licensing ordinance do i have a motion to go into public hearing second i have a motion and a second roll call vote starting with Kiki aye motion to go into public hearing passes 6-0 with one absent are there any public comments on the proposed amendments to the solid waste flow control and licensing ordinance nobody on line hearing no public comment I'll take a motion to come out of public hearing second have a motion in a second Kiki I'll start with you again aye motion to come out of public hearing passes 6-0 with one absent i will now to entertain a motion on the proposed amendments to the solid waste flow control ordinance so moved but here is second i again i'm going to assume that the motion is to accept the proposed amendments to the solid waste flow control and licensing ordinance as written is that correct okay I will now open it to council discussion and Iki I guess I failed to do this last time as a maker of the motion do you have anything to comment on no counselors any comment Dennis [12:15] Christine Cubberley: looking for confirmation I have reviewed this now that I remembered a couple times i just want to make sure that what we're reviewing is paula's work in essence getting the language of the ordinance current with the actual parties involved is that the meat of this that's [12:32] Town staff (Town Manager): correct the previous ordinance had references to fiber right in perk but hadn't included municipal waste solutions so the new ordinance just clarifies the language [12:45] Matthew LaChance: Yeah, and relative to that, the clarification of the language is particularly important as we move forward with potential negotiations and discussions on contracting those kinds of things. So that was, that was really kind of what drove the whole process. Any other council discussion? Hearing none. I'll take a roll call vote on the motion to accept the proposed amendments to the solid waste flow control and licensing ordinance as written. And I will start with Wally, moving to the left. Aye. Mark. Hi. John. Hi. Motion passes six zero with one absent. Next public hearing are the proposed amendments to the outdoor facilities ordinance. Do I have a motion to go into public hearing? I have a motion. Do I have a second? All those in favor of going into public hearing, roll call vote please, starting with Dennis, going right. Mark. Hi. I motion to go in public hearing passes 6-0 with one absent. Are there any public comments on the proposed amendments to the outdoor facilities ordinance? Hearing no public comments. I... Will entertain a motion to come out of public hearing please. I have a motion and a second. Vote on coming out of public hearing, starting with John, coming to the left. Aye. Aye. Motion to come out of public hearing passes six zero one absent. I will now entertain a motion on the proposed amendments to the outdoor facilities ordinance. So move. I have a motion. Do I have a second? I have a motion and a second. And again, I will take the prerogative for the benefit of the minutes. I assume the motion is as... Written. That's an affirmative, Amanda. Any council... [14:51] Eric Jarvi: Discussion on the proposed amendments? Yeah. I was just wondering if maybe we could have just a little bit of a discussion on prohibiting the use of crossbows and parks like Dorothy Dix. Part I don't know. Chief, do you have any insight on that? Why is why does the town feel that... I don't. I can let Jill if you want to... [15:23] Town staff (Town Manager): Any information that you have related to crossbows? Are just bow hunting? I mean, that's... [15:39] Public commenter: Say that again. We're redoing the maps. You're redoing the maps. I think they've been taken down because the hunting maps on public property are being redone by GIS right now. [15:49] Town staff (Town Manager): Okay. For safety reasons. Yeah, I don't have a lot of information on that other than what was in any memos. [15:59] Eric Jarvi: I remember the discussion in our workshop, and that's been some time since we had that, and I just kind of wanted a little review on that. Dennis. [16:11] Christine Cubberley: My foggy memory says the discussion at the heart of it was about the boundaries of the park itself and proximity to residences. In other words, it has to do with it's a relatively narrow strip of land between 1A and the river. Okay. And at least on the south side, there are between, I don't know, maybe Mark knows, but I would guess 12 to 14 houses that almost abut that boundary. Okay. And I think that was the concern. I don't remember others. [16:49] Town staff (Town Manager): That would make sense. And as well, just the safety aspect of people in the parks and walking and moving around. But I'm not aware of the background information from the workshop. [17:06] Christine Cubberley: Up, I don't believe the background to me the common sense contrast would be with something like the Yellow Bean parcel where we have a lab bow hunting for a long time, right? And that has to do with points of access, size of the property, proximity of other parties to it, factors like that. But now I'm going to start making up reasons if I keep going, so no, that's all. No, I just needed a [17:28] Eric Jarvi: refresher because I know during the workshop I raised the same question and I left not feeling like it was a bad decision that we should prohibit. Oh, I think Victor spoke to it and he was very familiar, you know, with the issue with the issue. But I just before I voted on, I just wanted a little refresher. Thank you. The [17:52] Matthew LaChance: only other thing that might be worth the benefit and I would ask Jill maybe to come up to the podium as the challenges were facing relative it to outdoor facilities, particularly at the pickleball, outdoor pickleball, basketball courts. And I know that's that's been something that has become relatively recent, but I know you and Paula are working very hard at trying to adjust, address the concerns of adjacent property owners. Yes, that's why we put in [18:23] Public commenter: the ordinance. We'd like to put the time for the park opening for 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. Our lights go off at 10 p.m. We only have the lights on from April 1st to November 1st over at the VFW complex. So during the winter months, we they're not even able to be turned on. But we have had complaints about those lights, so we want to kind of try to work with everybody to so that you know our pickleball players can still play but the residents around it are happy. [18:55] Matthew LaChance: Too, and part of that also is, once you start working with time openings and closings, there you had to try to expand it into other adjacent facilities as well, right? So we're gonna make a uniform, yeah, straight across the board on all parks. Okay, thank you. Any other questions from counselors? A hearing, none. John will now entertain a roll call vote on the proposed amendments to the outdoor facilities ordinance as written. I will start with Wally and come to the left, please. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. John? Aye. Aye. Motion passes 6-0 with one absent. Next public hearing is the proposed amendments to the emergency moratorium ordinance regarding data center operations. I'll entertain a motion to go into public hearing, second motion, and a second roll call vote to go into public hearing, starting with Dennis, going to the right. Aye. Motion to go into public hearing passes 6-0 with one absent. Are there any public comments on the proposed amendments to the emergency moratorium ordinance regarding data center operations? Seeing no public input, I'll have a motion to come out of public hearing, please. Come on, second motion, in a second roll call vote to come out of public. Hearing, Dennis, right, hi. Motion to come out of public hearing passes 6-0 with one absent. I will now entertain a motion to accept the proposed amendments to the emergency moratorium ordinance regarding data center operations as written. Some move, I have a motion, second, and I have a second. I will now open the floor for council discussion. Please, Wally. [20:57] Eric Jarvi: Now, you know, initially when we had a workshop on this, I questioned whether this was really necessary because of our existing rules that we had or ordinances that we have on the book. And since that time, I've done more research on it, and I've changed my mind. I, there's quite a few things that you know, we could improve, and I just wanted to mention that I've heard of, you know, I've read about comprehensive community plans, you know, where they're taking many things into consideration, such as you know. Who's paying for the utility sound ordinances and so forth? And I think there's a, there could be a lot of room for improvement. So I just wanted to let council know that I think it's, this is a good idea. [21:51] Christine Cubberley: any other counselor comments dennis i'll be voting in favor of this i brought it up initially i think a couple months ago and my intention at the time was to not make a political commentary on policy nationally but to simply say does our staff feel they have adequate tools to advise and make rules through the planning board should this come and i don't think anyone's expecting you know a big beast of a data center to loom over the town tomorrow that was never the point but i hope that people See, this is a small but effective way of the council and staff working together to say we recognize the work you do. Here's the time to review that and make sure it ends up with a product that you can defend and work with. That was the intent of this. So, as I said, I'll be voting in... [22:43] Matthew LaChance: Favor. Thank you. Other council discussion. Moratorium is for how long? I believe by state statute it's limited to 180 days in total. Yeah, but we have to do it in 60-day increments. That's local. With that, okay. Policy. I think Camden is traditionally has traditionally done it in 60-day ordinances and then renewed it to what's allowed by the state statute. That certainly existed before I came on council, but I think in talking to previous council members, that was done so that you weren't locked in when you came up with a solution because you were in the middle of a 180-day moratorium and had to repeal it. So I think the decision was to go in incremental blocks of time to the total allowed by state statute. [23:36] Town staff (Town Manager): The notes I have is the state statute allows for up to 180 days and then our Charter allows 60 days at a time. Thank you. Any? Yes, Dennis, kind of a technical... [23:48] Christine Cubberley: Question. We don't have a start date in the motion. You know, that would have presumed passage, which we had to vote on. So, how do we put this into effect with appropriate dates? [24:01] Matthew LaChance: Actually, I think that's appropriate and we probably should have an amendment to the motion for an effective date. I typically don't know. Miles, thank you. Only... [24:22] Public commenter: Because I'm in these ordinances all the time. This is you're... [24:25] Matthew LaChance: Adopting this like any other ordinance, you adopt it's on an emergency basis, so it goes into effect as soon as you vote on it, okay? For the charter, okay? So emergency ordinances essentially take effect with a council vote, yes? And that starts the clock ticking, yes? Okay, thank you. Did you have that clarification? That was a good question. No, thank you very much. So that we will not require an amendment because, okay, yeah, it will not require amendment because it takes effect with the vote of council, so. Many leaders, a positive vote. Any other council discussion? Okay, hearing none. We will have a motion to accept the proposed amendments to the Immersion Emergency Moratorium Ordinance regarding data center operations as written. A roll call vote starting with Mark and moving to the right. Hi,. Motion passes 6-0 with one absent. Last public hearing tonight is the annual adoption of the MMA General Assistance Appendices and Recovery Residents Maximums. Do I have a motion to go into public hearing? Second. Motion in a second to go into public hearing. Roll call vote starting with Kiki. Hi. Motion to go into public hearing passes 6-0 with one absent. Is there any public comments on the adoption of the General Assistance Appendices and Recovery Every Residency Maximums from the public? Nobody online. Motion to come out of public hearing, please. So moved, second. I have a motion to second to come out of public hearing. Roll call vote starting with Wally, hi, John, hi, Mark, coming this way, hi. Motion to come out of. Public hearing passes 6-0 with one absent. I will now entertain a motion to adopt the annual MMA General Assistance Appendices and Recovery Residents Maximums as opposed. So moved. Second. I have a motion and a second. I will now open it to council discussion and I will take the opportunity to ask. I do believe that much of this derives from state input, if that's true, Chief. Do you want to address that a little bit? [26:52] Town staff (Town Manager): That is public. That is correct. These are maximums that are forwarded to us and we adopt the state statute. Where I believe that we can adopt our own but we don't, we accept the state maximums. This is just adopting the updated version of the state maximums and this. [27:15] Matthew LaChance: is an annual recommendation from the state I believe it is any other questions from council hearing no discussions or questions from council I will entertain a motion to adopt the MMA excuse me I'll entertain a vote for the motion to adopt MMA general assistance appendices and recovery residency maximums roll call vote starting with John all right hi motion passes 6-0 with one absent thank you for the public who've been here to help us get through the public hearings and for the prudent business of handling the wealth of ordinances and amendments that we had to discuss over time through workshops and tonight we have no nominations appointments and elections so the next item on tonight's agenda is committee reports and John I believe there might be a report out of environmental trust yeah we had a [28:24] Dennis Marble: environmental trust meeting last Tuesday morning so less than 24 hours after our workshop issues discussed and we'll see some of this later on in the agenda tonight but there was some general fund payments for stormwater management two separate motions totaling about 40,000 that we approved and that's going to be on the agenda and the other thing was talking about using money for the manning mill road bridge project and there was no discussion about what it would specifically be it would be whatever we decided on as i understood it and there was a discussion about how the management of the environmental trust funds is going it's now opened up we can this is maybe not the way to put it but we can do whatever we want with the money now and that's been true for something like a year you know for a long time it was very restricted but things have moved along enough now that we can do that and there was some discussion about is just really what the purpose of the money is but it's been managed so well going up in value from something like 3.2 million to 3.7 million that it was felt that there's an anticipated request from the town council of half a million and we were i think the way i expressed it to paula is she could pass along long that we were favorably disposed to that the town council still wants to go that way so that 's that's where we got to I'm [30:24] Matthew LaChance: going to add to that before I ask for questions because as a former member of the Environmental Trust I think it's important for the public and those present today who are concerned about the Manning Mill bridge project to understand a little bit more about what was going on there the Environmental Trust when it was first created actually was very restrictive as to what those funds could be used for but that expiration I believe was in 2022 or 2023 in which the restrictions relatively [30:55] Dennis Marble: recently thought it was more recent but I could be wrong anyways it's within the [30:59] Matthew LaChance: last few years yeah anyway you cut it yeah which actually gives council in the town more leeway and in how those funds can be used with the following caveat. The trustees of the environmental trust have always maintained that the town would not make the mistake that this town made with the Chevron trust and essentially spent it down to zero over a very short period of time. That was the decision by our trustees long, time ago that they wanted this environmental trust fund to stick around as long as possible. And basically, the money has come out of the interest payments, and that money is used for environmental types of issues historically. Where this potentially pertains to the Manning Mill Bridge Challenge that we are facing right now is there is a whole, actually, we think, linked issue with environmental and what goes on the sourdaps cook because of that bridge project plus the leeway that council in the town now has with the with the expanded ability to spend portions of that funding so the one of the things we may be looking at down the road ultimately then is what funding is available through the environmental trust in some amount to potentially offset the expenses associated with that which will actually go a long way towards helping that project [32:26] Eric Jarvi: whichever way we go so wally now eric question what was the rationale for broadening the uses of these funds this as i understand it to any purpose that the town wanted to use them for [32:41] Matthew LaChance: that actually was in the original documentation that once that period ended 30-year period 30-year period ended that there would be more flexibility now the trustees at that time and I think to this day and John could speak to that are still very much in favor that it should be environmental environmentally related kinds of things and historically you'll probably remember council that we've spent it on stormwater kinds of things sewer kinds of things disposition of hazardous waste kinds of things around town and so I would suspect and council always has one seat on the trustees and therefore one vote and I would encourage you all to remember that going forward to make sure our intent is always there but I think it as I understand it the current trustees still believe that 's very prudent in how those monies are expended and limiting what potentially could be expense expended out of that trust fund with the caveat that we take every possible measure to not essentially run it to zero like was done with the chevron trust fund over a very short period of time i wasn't on council then i can only speculate about why they did that but over a very short period of time that trust fund was run to zero offset expenses that council deemed it I will I will say in terms of that [34:13] Dennis Marble: Chevron trust funds I didn't even I know what Chevron is but I never even heard of that so right now I think that institutional memory within the Environmental Trust Committee is gone that never even came up as a discussion you just had three members sitting around talking about all of this and there is a great deal of commitment to holding onto those funds to do the right thing, what they were intended for. And, you know, I just think it's, it probably reflects the thoughts from years ago, although we didn't formally have that history. [34:59] Matthew LaChance: Well, to bring this to closure, the basis for these funds is with the closure of the pine tree landfill. And the interesting thing is that one might think that any time something comes up out there, we go to the Environmental Trust Fund. And that's not quite true because the state always has the first obligation to help address any problems that are at the pine tree landfill. And then the Environmental Trust Fund can potentially be a secondary source to help offset that. And that's why we receive those annual reports on the Pine Tree Trust Fund. I think the environmental trust fund actually helps pay for some of the testing and reports and those kinds of things. But it was kind of the town's desire to have a mechanism to protect themselves should there be any adverse consequences from the closure of the pine tree landfill. [35:58] Dennis Marble: And it's worth pointing out the state has a lot more money than we do. [36:02] Matthew LaChance: Yeah, the state has, which is why that's the point. [36:04] Dennis Marble: Not only they first on deck but they've got a lot more money and so I almost feel like we're with these funds were in a mop-up role and as we get further and further out and I would measure that in decades from the closure of the pine tree landfill this money will people probably feel more at ease about using it, you know, it's still new enough though that people are concerned there can be. [36:36] Eric Jarvi: Problems? Yeah, well, so just a couple of things. One is a quick example, you know, earlier this year we used money from the environmental trust fund to pay for the well testing that went on in town for PFAS compounds, and these are things that could come up 30 years later, you know, so I think this is a good idea to try to hold on to these funds and you know where possible really try to dedicate them to environmental purposes. Second thing that I wanted to ask and this either John or Eric maybe address. This is that you mentioned that possibly these funds with the Manning Mill project might be able to address some of the environmental concerns, and I was wondering if could elaborate just a little bit on that. Are you thinking, let's say, if there's wetland mitigation that has to be required, that these funds can be applied to that, or what's the thought on that, John? [37:43] Matthew LaChance: You might be better able to lead the discussion. Yeah, we talked about that globally at the. [37:49] Dennis Marble: Meeting but there are no specifics yet at this point. We don't even know whether it's putting in a road or putting in a bridge and you know how this is all going to be solved yet, but there is some recognition that there may be some environmental issues that we're in a position to help with. And so this proposed 500,000 that we mentioned or passed along to Paula, she was actually there, that the town may wish to pursue that represents maybe just rough math in my head, 15 percent of the total funds. And so it's, it's not nothing, you know, but it's not certainly not everything in terms of remaining funds, yeah. [38:46] Matthew LaChance: I think, Wally, to your question about is it truly environmentally related issues, I think ultimately that's a decision that Council will have to make because it's actually Council's decision on appropriation of those funds that they, in fact, agree it's an environmentally related issue with, as John pointed out, what is the impact on the overall balance of the Environmental Trust Fund moving forward. but i do think in theory there's a compelling argument that no matter what the solution is out there 's going to be some kind of environmental impact that might have to be [39:22] Eric Jarvi: addressed right and maybe you know it's just to the spirit of those funds and how they're going to be used you know i understand paula's you know rationale that we don't really want to go to the taxpayers and ask for another half million dollars if we don't if we don't have to but you know that certainly makes sense but on the other hand if we're going to use a half million dollars excuse me from the environmental trust fund if you know we could kind of break out that project and what all the money is going to be going for if we could kind of point that money to more environmental related things i think that i think that sends a better signal for how we're [40:07] Christine Cubberley: how we're using these bunnies Dennis I my only comment tonight is that I'm respectful of the concerns and I appreciate the thinking I just think we're ahead of ourselves and extending this conversation tonight I don't think [40:21] Dennis Marble: we're there yet I agree thank you we got about as far as we could and I think [40:27] Matthew LaChance: we're mindful of both points of view yep thank you okay moving on then we have no unfinished business we'll move into new business the first item on tonight's agenda under new business is the council adoption of resolution of emergency medical services do I have a motion from council worded appropriately as they might say okay I have a motion do I have a second okay the motion on the floor is council adoption of a town of Hamden resolution of an emergency medical services transport plan. Do I have any public comment on the motion on the floor? Having no public comment, I will move to council discussion. Kiki is maker of the motion. You have the right to the microphone first. [41:26] Public commenter: Chief, for the benefit of the town, can you explain what that's all about? Absolutely. [41:31] Town staff (Town Manager): This is a result of LD 245 that passed several months ago, requiring each municipality to identify their transporting medical services plan. And that plan will need to be forwarded to various state entities, and it also has to be posted as we would ordinances within the town. and it's that information I believe is going to be used for data points identifying the areas within the state that may not have a service a transporting service there's a commission that's going to be working on various objectives to try to identify the gaps in the EMS services within the within the state so this is just a statutory requirement I did want to say before the vote I did want to correct the record quick briefly counsel at Jacob it's had asked me at the workshop about us going out of town and whatnot and I had in my mind I was thinking about us being actually contracted with another community which were not which is the correct answer but I did want to mention too that we do have mous or memorandums of understanding with other with the bangor fire department and also northern light where we mutual aid agreements i guess essentially is what they would be called where we help them and they help us so i didn't mention that at the workshop and i wanted to just clarify the record on that we do have agreements to [43:16] Matthew LaChance: help other communities thank you any other council discussion dennis just an editorial comment in [43:24] Christine Cubberley: support of the department and chief in a different way i see you facing a problem similar to the one darcy's trying to face when she does a fees budget you need to make sure that using Hamden residents tax revenue, you serve the people of this town as best you can without any gaps while the system around in a lot of neighboring towns is getting fractured and full of holes. So I just want to acknowledge that puts you and your department in an unenviable position at times with a lot of decisions to make that it would be different if a statewide EMS system was clearly in place and fully resourced that's correct so thank you for that welcome thank you any [44:20] Matthew LaChance: other discussion from council hearing none I'll entertain a roll call vote on the motion before us for council adoption of the town of Hamden resolution of an emergency medical services transport plan roll call vote starting with Wally moving to the left aye motion passes 6-0 one absent next item under new business is council approval of the proposed fy 27 serves it service charges [44:57] Christine Cubberley: Do I hear a motion? I make a motion that council review and approve the proposed fiscal year 27 service charges as requested by David Johnson, Deputy Treasurer. And after a second, I'll have a question. [45:11] Matthew LaChance: Second. I do have a second. As maker of the motion, you have the floor, sir. [45:17] Christine Cubberley: Well, to start with, my question is, this is all in keeping with past ordinances and practices. There's nothing new here. But there are several separate properties and charges involved, so my question is simply a technical one: can we vote on the package or do we need to vote on each of the four or five recommended service charges, which I don't believe is the case, but I wanted to bring it up. Well, if your intent in [45:50] Matthew LaChance: the motion is to approve as written, that would solve that. I did not necessarily hear that. There is certainly an opportunity for council to move to amend any individual portion if they take exception to it. I will say that typically counsel by intent is to adopt as written, and if that's the case, then it is the entire package. Yes, I will state the obvious that yes [46:19] Eric Jarvi: that was my intent. Okay. Other council discussion. Well, yeah, you know, to your point, Dennis, you know, I'm just kind of wondering if we were to take property by property, if we'd be kind of opening a can of worms where we'd favor one property over another, and we'd have to have legal justification for doing that. So thank you. Other council discussion. Hearing [46:49] Matthew LaChance: no further discussion, we will now have a roll call vote on the motion before us for council review and approval of the proposed FY27 circular charges requested by David Johnson, Deputy Treasurer. Roll call vote starting with Kiki, going to the right, please. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes 6-0 with one absent. Next item under new business is council approval of a renewal liquor license for Kimberly Marina LLC, Kimberly McLaughlin, doing business as Kimberly's at the Marina, located at 108A Marina Road, Hamden. I have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. I have a motion and a second. Is there any public discussion? Hearing no public discussion, I will go to council discussion. I guess I would have one question to you chief and I don't know if you can be answered it but this property is up for sale right now if in fact the sale is goes through to another owner I would assume that the new owner has to go through this whole process because a liquor license is not transferable in the sale of property am I right in that assumption I would have to check but that would be my assumption as well okay so our assumption at this point is if the property does in fact sell because it has been closed but a liquor license does not go to the new owner de facto. I don't believe it does, but it would probably be worth checking with Down Count with Paula to have her look into that for the benefit of Council, just to answer that question. I don't know whether that affects your votes or you wish to wait and table this one. Option might be until we have an answer to that question that you might move to table, which is not debatable if you're happy with going forward and that possibility based on what the Chief said. Chief, do you have the background [48:57] Town staff (Town Manager): information that I received on this issue was that the restaurant I believe is closed but it is going to be open for private events and special events. That's what triggered the need for the liquor license. [49:12] Matthew LaChance: Okay. Thank you. That changes them. Okay. Any other Council discussion? Okay. Hearing no further Council discussion. We will have a roll call vote on the motion before the Council for approval of a renewal liquor license for Kimberly's Marina LLC, Kimberly McLaughlin doing business as Kimberly's at the Marina, located on Marine Marina Road in Hamden. Roll call vote starting with Mark, going to the right, please. Aye, approve. Aye. Motion passes six zero with one absent. Next item on tonight's agenda is Council authorization for the expenditure of twenty six thousand six hundred $113.65 from the Environmental Trust's income for reimbursement of eligible stormwater expenses for FY26 referred to Council from the Environmental Trust Committee. Do I have a motion? So moved. I have a motion to approve. Second. I have a second. Public comment? Hearing no public comment, I will go into Council discussion. John, I'm going to make the assumption this was one of the... [50:31] Dennis Marble: This is, yeah, the next two items, D&E are the two items that we approved at our meeting last Tuesday and sent along here. [50:42] Matthew LaChance: Any other council discussion? Hearing none, I will have a roll call vote on council authorization for the expenditure of the $26,613.65 from the Environmental Trust for FY26 expenses. Roll call vote starting with Kiki, please. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes 6-0, one absent. Next item on the agenda tonight is council authorization for the expenditure of $15,089.58 from environmental trust income for reimbursement of eligible stormwater expenses for FY27 referred from the environmental trust committee. Do I have a motion to approve? So moved. Second. Motion is second. I think, John, in the future, maybe you should move these motions, but that's just me. Any public comment? I guess so. Any public comment? Having no public comment, I will entertain any comments or discussion from council. Again, this would have been the second agenda item you referred to in your report. Any discussion from council? Hearing none, roll call vote on the motion before us. For the authorization of the expenditure of $15,089.58 from Environmental Trust for FY27 stormwater expenses. Roll call vote starting with Dennis moving to the right. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passes 6-0, 1 absent. Next item on the agenda is to go into executive session pursuant to 1MRSA 405 Section 6C, real estate economic development to include chief Bailey and standing in for Paula tonight and I don't believe her intent was anybody else I think was just you I believe so yeah because it's incomplete on our so do I have a motion to go into executive session so move I have a second motion to go into to executive session starting with mark coming to the left hi john hi motion to go in executive session passes six zero with one absent for the benefit of the public no business can be acted on an executive session this is strictly for the benefit of discussions on the part of council we will come out however to potentially act on a decision that will be discussed in that if you want wish to stick around we will allow you back into council chambers when we come out of executive session for the potential action on any business and to close out our meeting so with no okay vote to go into executive Session starting with John coming to the left. Aye. Aye. Motion to go into executive session is approved six zero with one absent. Council, I ask that you turn off your microphones. We'll secure the council chambers for our executive session. Thank you for coming, Darcy and Jill. I appreciate it. Thank you, one. [54:09] Eric Jarvi: for the road, okay. [54:16] Dennis Marble: I. [54:23] Matthew LaChance: I want to thank the public for understanding our necessity to go into executive session. We are back in council business. We will continue with new business, and at this point I will entertain a motion for the sale of tax acquired property located at 86 Carmel Road South. Do I have a motion for? [54:44] Christine Cubberley: Council, I wish to make a motion that council authorize the town manager to conduct the sale of that tax acquired property located at 86 Carmel Road. So I... [54:55] Matthew LaChance: have a motion do i have a second i have a motion in a second is there any public comment on the motion on the floor okay hearing none i will open the floor to discussion from council reminding council that nothing that went on in executive session can be debated at this point we can debate the motion on the floor is there any council debate or discussion on the motion before the floor Amanda do you have the essence of the wording because it's critical I'm gonna ask you to repeat it before I do The roll call vote because the wording of this motion is absolutely imperative for our discussion and what Dennis suggested. So if there's no further discussion, Amanda, I will ask for you to, if you turn on the mic and read the motion for us, that will do. A roll... [55:48] Public commenter: Call vote. The motion that Dennis just made. I didn't write it word for word. I just gave you motion... [55:54] Christine Cubberley: Okay. Sorry, Dennis, would you repeat it please? The best of my ability, my motion was that this council authorized the town manager to conduct the sale of the tax acquired property located at 86 Carmel... [56:10] Matthew LaChance: Road South. Okay, and the important part of that is authorizing the town manager to conduct this, that the sale of that property. That's that's the key wording that has to be in there. I mean obviously the properties foregone conclusion. So okay. Counselors, does everybody realize the most understand the motion before us? Okay. All right. With that in mind, I will entertain a roll call vote starting with the maker of the motion and moving to the right. Aye,. Motion passes 6-0 with one absent. Thank you, counselors, for your attention to the new business. Thank you, public, for your attention to the to everything tonight. We will now... Is there a managers report from Paula Chief? There is not. OK. Having no managers report, we will move into counselor comments. Done. [57:08] Eric Jarvi: No comment. Good night, Hamden. [57:12] Christine Cubberley: No comment. Good night. [57:15] Matthew LaChance: Good night. Good night, Hamden. Good night, Hamden. I will now entertain a motion to adjourn. So move second. I have a motion and a second to adjourn. Roll call vote starting with Kiki. Hi motion to adjourn passes 60 with one absent. This meeting stands adjourned at 717 PM. Good night Hamden.