Bangor equity committee plans quarterly council updates, language access pilot

[0:04] Katie Brydon: All right, hello everyone, and welcome to the actual second May meeting that we've had, but our first official May meeting, May 26, for the Advisory Committee on Racial Equity, Inclusion, and Human Rights. We will begin with our roll call because we have a member on Zoom. I will call out names beginning with Katie Robinson. Here. Thank you. And Shane Boys? Noise. Hello. Adam Baker? Ray Burke? Teresa Fallon? Hello. Suzette Burrow? Here. And I am Katie Bryden, present. And but we did hear from Mark, who will be unable to make it this evening, so he is excused. The other individuals we have with us tonight are our City Council liaison Michael Beck and our Assistant City Manager Courtney O'Donnell. So thank you all for being here, and thank you all so much for the hard work this month. We've already met this month, this beginning of this month, to talk about the sidewalk ordinance and the recommendation from the Advisory Committee on Racial Equity, Inclusion, and Human Rights on how to best manage that. I wanted to turn it over to our Vice Chair Shane to share more about how that presentation went, for folks to ask any questions, and for us to just have sort of a recap of how [1:32] Michael Beck: that presentation and referral went. Absolutely. So unfortunately I was a little bit late, and actually I think Theresa was here before me. Adam was definitely here before me. I was here right after you. Right after me, okay. I think Adam might actually live here, I'm not sure. Adam is always here. So correct me if I'm wrong. So there was the workshop before the meeting, the ordinance was discussed at the workshop, and I unfortunately was not able to be here for the workshop part of this. So if you want to talk about how the workshop went, that'd be great. [2:06] Adam Douglas Baker: What I briefly remember from the workshop is that I remember the council was barely on board with our recommendation, except for like a few like minor like language, which like pretend it is like changes and that's like the only thing to change really so yeah so [2:26] Michael Beck: they've discussed that during the workshop and then during the actual council meeting it was discussed again briefly and one proposal was made an amendment which was literally just to remove some replicative language and it passed I believe nine zero yes I saw that [2:49] Katie Brydon: that in that and Assistant City Manager O'Donnell did send out a link to that city work or city workshop and meeting should anyone care to watch it and see anything more thank [3:02] Teresa Fallon: You both for that. Theresa, did you have anything to add? No, it was definitely a meeting to go to. Yeah, and I think it was the first one I've ever sat in on. I've watched them before, but it was really powerful. It really was. So just happy to have been there. [3:21] Katie Brydon: Councilor Beck, do you have any thoughts on like how that was implemented by the city? Any follow-up? [3:28] Michael Beck: I have any follow-up on, other than it's in effect now. I mean, I didn't see anybody out in front of Pierce Park, so it looks like it's in full effect. But beyond that, I don't have anything to offer. [3:42] Teresa Fallon: It may be worth noting that when an ordinance it's passed by council there's a 10-day waiting period before it goes into effect and that's why it wasn't like immediate in terms of a change on the sidewalk. All right, thank you. That would have been the 21st and pretty much that day there was a noticeable difference. I do agree with that. Yeah. [4:03] Katie Brydon: It did seem to take effect very quickly in terms of what we saw. Yeah, so thank you for that. I didn't want to make a note, and I apologize to jump right into this meeting, but we do typically open up the beginning of these meetings for a public comment. And I apologize if you have individuals, if there is a public comment that you would like to share. Okay. I'm so sorry that I usually give time for that. And I don't know why it's skipped over entirely. I'll blame the weather. Thank you for being gracious. All right. So the next update that we have under committee business is our council direction updates. So forgive me if we've already covered this, but I thought it pertinent to just share a little bit more again that both Councillor Beck and I believe it was last month, yes, met with a chair of City Council Councillor Hawes and during that meeting we talked about ways that our committee could better engage and support work from the City Council by the City Council and what had come up during that meeting was The opportunity for the Advisory Committee for racial equity inclusion and human rights to attend Council I believe it was gov off workshops on a quarterly basis to give updates on our area of focus and what it is that we were hoping to achieve, what our direction was, because some of the feedback that we were getting from council was that they were often they didn't really know what direction we were going in, what pieces of information we were taking up and how to best be available and accessible to them. So we thought, you know, instead of having any sort of surprises or like bringing things to council that maybe they didn't anticipate, we could better prepare for that by giving regular updates so that they knew what we were working on, how we could be more available. And so obviously our council liaison gives regular updates to the council on what we're working on, but we thought not only would it behoove the intact both parties to be able to present like, hey, these are some of the things we're working on, but get feedback in real time so that we're not coming to them with like a finished proposal or plan where they're like, oh, actually we wouldn't have suggested that you do that, or like this is actually more helpful and this is a better way that we could do things. So that is why we wanted to put those on our agenda, just so that we could also be more aware of how we can sort of hold ourselves accountable to making that happen as well, because it is one of those things where we both sat in those meetings, we both said, oh my gosh, that would be great. And then, like all things, life happens and a month goes by. And it's like, oh, we haven't actually put those on the calendar. I didn't know if it would be in our best interest. And Courtney, let us know what you think. But do you think it would behoove us to identify GovOp meetings now? We could then say, OK, Chair Haas, would it be in your you know purview for us to come on these days to give up workshops just so that we can hold ourselves accountable and we can have dates on the calendar? Otherwise I'm afraid that like we're gonna be sitting in this June meeting and it's gonna be like I didn't eat so what are [7:40] Adam Douglas Baker: thoughts on that or questions or right now I like the idea of some I think also like having a little accountability for both sides of like, hey, this is when we're doing it and then we're structured so we're not, again, before this, the whole thing was that they felt wet. We both felt out in the dark and let's not like- Yeah,. [8:08] Katie Brydon: Okay. That's just my- Yeah, no, I appreciate that. [8:12] Speaker F (unidentified): Other thoughts? I would second that. [8:16] Teresa Fallon: I think it's a good idea, [8:17] Speaker F (unidentified): a good way to stay in touch and just be sure that everybody's on the same page and set those meetings [8:21] Katie Brydon: ahead of time would probably be best for every time yeah so typically the quarterly is what july october three months i think i like it [8:36] Teresa Fallon: Yeah, so the Gov Ops meets once a month, the it's like typically the first Monday of every month, and so I would recommend maybe looking at October, actually you could look at either June or July and then maybe October, because the council will turn over in November and we often don't have that the meeting right before because of elections and everything else going on, and then you could you know maybe January or February once everybody knew was in and settled you [9:09] Katie Brydon: could circle back up again so you do things starting in October these are [9:14] Teresa Fallon: no you could do it you could do another one sooner than that to that you would like either June or July and in fact counselor back is actually the committee chair of gumbox and he and I work together to set that agenda you [9:28] Michael Beck: recommendations I recommend we told you like just because budget full past and get a little more bandwidth. Okay. [9:36] Katie Brydon: Okay. So July, and then the next one would be October and then January. [9:42] Michael Beck: And then March. [9:47] Teresa Fallon: That's typically, well, typically the, if there are, folks on this, committee whose term is expiring that expires in December and new books will come out in January so I don't know if you want to push that first meeting to like February so you have an opportunity to meet first before that's a good idea coming [10:07] Katie Brydon: That's a good idea and then we could do April yeah and I would recommend actually going [10:15] Teresa Fallon: further than that anyway so we can definitely put those dates on the thing tentatively okay [10:20] Katie Brydon: Okay all right so I can follow up with the chair and determine if that is well obviously you're the both liaison and the committee chair that would be [10:33] Michael Beck: beneficial yeah I mean you'll get feedback at the first one and you know you might get some feedback from council might say hey not so often or hey this [10:46] Katie Brydon: That's a good point okay so we'll see about the July yeah July and go from there okay awesome thanks everybody for the feedback all right our next item on the agenda is our language access plan update I like this meeting because I feel like we're actually gonna get through it all okay so as I'm like in teacher mode I'm like who can tell me where we left off but our language access plan that's like we talked about was identifying ways that we could make our resources of the city provides more Accessible to folks that maybe don't have English as their first language, so whether that be stuff that the clerks could use, that for first responders, what exactly is needed, how often are they using it. That was a great example actually in our meeting with the chair Haas, that was like she had a lot of questions about like what exactly is the language access plan, why are you doing that, why is that important, where does this come from. So being able to share with council on a whole on a more regular basis what those goals are I think will really help us. I know that Courtney, you had really taken the lead in working with staff on what that language access plan might look like. Do you care to get it out there? That'd be wonderful, thank you. [12:12] Teresa Fallon: So as you all know, we conducted that, the internal survey with staff and we really did identify a need, particularly in public safety, but also in public health and airport was the other bigger one as well. And so we have made progress in terms of the police chief and I met with an individual that is going to help us identify resources for ASL as well as actually she's also very familiar with autism and other sorts of topics that would be of great interest of us in terms of training and so we're going to start in that area first and then hopefully we'll be able to expand that across different areas in the city. We also PD is going to kick off actually a pilot program with language line, which was a resource that was identified in one of these meetings. That company is I think, was formed by former public safety individuals and things. And so we really kind of want a sense of like on the fly, how helpful is it? Does it meet the need and if so can we expand it into some of the other areas and we're also aware of a couple others that are you know there's google translate less formal ones we have concerns around sensitive information being put into those and then there's other services that as I think Katie had mentioned like the hospital uses and you can pay like per minute and things like that. So we are exploring that, and my hope is to actually take the draft language access plan that was put before this committee and actually amend that with staff's input and help, and then actually in future meeting bring that back to this committee to look at. So it's a, you know, it's one of those things that unfortunately, I know a whole month's past sort of a thing since we really talked about it. But there's a lot of things that happened in between those meetings. So but it does [14:19] Katie Brydon: continue to move forward. Thank you so much for that. Does anybody have any questions or thoughts about the language access plan? I just have a comment. I am [14:32] Michael Beck: so excited to hear the public safety is gonna pilot that. I think that's going to be very helpful, and I hope that we see that it is actually, you know, making things easier for them and be a model to be used around other [14:44] Katie Brydon: departments in the city. Yeah, same. Agreed. Thank you so much for that, Courtney. I have a couple questions. First, I know that we had originally talked about like how much time was being used by staff to identify, you know, what the need was if language was a barrier. Did we ever quantify [15:05] Teresa Fallon: modify that? Not scientifically, of course. The best I could say is it doesn't happen daily in most areas. If I were to look at the city as a whole, I think there's likely anywhere from zero to four interactions across the entire city a week. And a lot of those, the folks have some proficiency or they have an individual with them that's able to translate, late, which lessens the need for a service. And in some pockets, we do have fluent individuals that can speak Spanish, which tends to be actually one of the more common languages that we interact with. And so I think that's kind of allowed us to kind of get to the point that we're at. But I really think it's there's a lot of interest across the departments actually formalize what it looks like when somebody is struggling in the moment to get an individual the services that they need and how do we do that in a way that helps both the customer and the staff member be successful in that interaction, but in terms of like added time, if you will, to a transaction, most employees reported that it certainly added like an additional few minutes, maybe up to 10, but rarely was it so lengthy that I mean it, you know, for example, I don't think we've had anybody at the at the counter here at City Hall for like an hour, for example, that we weren't able to help. So but certainly it does add some [16:35] Katie Brydon: Additional time, thank you. Thanks for that, and then my other question is, you mentioned individuals. Can you see a little bit more about this? There's someone that the police department identified that knows ASL or is like [16:52] Teresa Fallon: familiar with working with the autistic community? Yes, and so I didn't say the name because I'll be honest. That's okay. I don't have to make sure. She's an individual that is fluent and has deep connections to that community and was willing to kind of help us build some bridges and make sure, and in fact I will say that PD is actually interested in and putting a handful of folks into a class to be able to at least alleviate the immediate needs when they run into an individual who is deaf or hard of hearing. Things like, I am a cop, how can I help you? Are you hurt? You know, the basic things in order to make sure that anxiety isn't off the charts and stuff because the communication is harder. And in fact, one of the things that always struck me was there's a whole deaf culture and I'm not sure I'll speak for myself that there's a lot of things you just kind of take for granted that you wouldn't know about if you're not part of that community and it's things like folks assume for example that you know just writing on a pad back and forth is easy quick solution and in fact that's not always well received and they have individuals depending on their individual circumstances for all sorts of reasons may find that just as frustrating as trying to read lips or some other solution so that's actually so there's that and then just getting some awareness like cultural awareness training and things of that nature to make sure that folks across public safety have a better understanding of when they do interact with somebody where that person's coming from that's [18:41] Katie Brydon: wonderful yeah thank you so much for that and I think that is so important because just like Deaf culture does have a lot of it's very like rich and has a lot of history so does you know the autism community and I know that when I first started on this committee one of the things that we had talked about was like what it means to be in an autism certified city which is essentially like really looking at our city and looking at like, are there, how many blinking lights do we have that don't need to be blinking? How much is the, you know, walk sign is on, walk sign is on. That is incredibly beneficial if you, know, rely on hearing to walk across the street. However, that is additional stimulation that can also be really challenging for individuals that are easily over-stimulated in the city. Same with like, this was right when the concerts or if we're really taking off our concerts, what were we doing in terms of making it so that if you were going to be visiting Bangor and there was a concert, where could you stay? That maybe you wouldn't hear that bass or feel that bass so strongly as like a stimulation input and how could we better address that? So I think that there is in terms of, I like the idea of being able to train and have a really basic understanding of how to interact on a basis with ASL, but I think equally important is like understanding those you know over stimulation sounds lights and what can we do as a city to just be more aware of [20:17] Teresa Fallon: them and yeah and actually I'll get more information about that and come back because I was actually like something that this individual brought up in the conversations oh did you know that you know we can also offer this additional training and one example that she brought up was actually that like if a police officer for example is interacting with a person who has autism and they tell them to stay they will stay until they're released or they may stay until they're released and whereas the police officer in the moment might just be thinking like don't you know like you know sort of a thing so we were actually that is one piece that we wanted to circle off on was what does that training look like and how do we actually expand that outside of just [21:00] Katie Brydon: Yes, like from a absolutely like a safety perspective being able to have that aware all these cultural awarenesses right and our own bias and what we can just be sensitive to is so critical for so many different populations but especially in you know working directly in public safety, working directly with people. I'm really glad to hear that there's someone on staff that has that expertise because I do think too that was something we talked about, like what can we do as a committee need to help identify training, trainings, trainers that could come and offer that if the city was in need of that. And I definitely think starting with police and public safety is like a front line. They are the individuals that are going to be interacting with most of the people first and foremost. Yeah, so I think that's really important and I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, and the other [21:50] Teresa Fallon: part of that too is just the nature, you know, calls for police there, people already have kind of heightened emotions and things. And so how can you educate the police officer to help both them manage a situation, but also for the individual that is having to interact with the police officer and what does that look like? And so, cause obviously one of the first things we want police officers to do is to deescalate. But if you don't understand where that person's coming from or what their needs are, that certainly is not helpful. So we're definitely exploring that as well. That's fantastic. [22:24] Katie Brydon: And if there's anything that we can do to identify, you know, other individuals or needs. I think that'd be really interesting. [22:34] Teresa Fallon: I'm getting a little itis. Oh, no, I'm not contagious. Okay. [22:42] Katie Brydon: Sorry. I'm so sorry that you're dealing with that. All right. Wonderful. Wonderful, any other questions for Courtney on where we're at with the language access plan? So the next steps then just, well obviously when we meet in July with City Council I would love to talk about this and talk about what we're doing and be able to share more updates, but is there anything else in terms of what you would need from us or is it mostly just working with staff at this point? [23:11] Teresa Fallon: Yeah my hope is to have something more tangible and time for the June 23rd meeting for you [23:17] Katie Brydon: guys which would be good timing for the gov ops in july. Yeah great love it thank you all right we have on here the council's legislative committee is this a new count is this a new committee yes okay so city council has a new legislative committee and i believe councillor carson is the chair of that and we thought that it would be helpful to connect with them on a regular update just to hear what that committee is doing what their goals are and how we can either best support them or how we Might want to be involved so that we're all sort of on the same page in terms of not only what's being done at a city level but also a state level there. And like, for instance, so much of what we did last year was based on legislation that had not yet passed, legislation like LD 1971 in 71 that had to do with our interactions with law enforcement that were acting as ICE, that had been worked on, developed at a state level, and then it went to the governor's desk and it sat. And that's where we picked it up last year. It would have been really great to have someone that's more connected on the legislative level to get those updates and help us better understand why it was sitting. What can we do in the meantime? Time, why just waiting for that to pass by the governor might not have been in our best interest, or vice versa. Counselor Beck, do you have anything else that you know about the legislative [24:47] Michael Beck: committee that would be helpful? The big thing about it that makes Bangor's voice louder in the state, it's about going to Augusta and advocating for ourselves. You know, ideas that counselors come up with for new legislation, stuff that staff comes across that, hey, this, some red tape we ran into, this is an avenue for them to pass that along to this committee, you know, to advocate for changes. But it's also going to liaise with, you know, the county, with the state delegation, but again, just make Bangor all around louder, because there seems to be a lot of noise coming from the southern part of the state. Now it's time for Bangor to really speak up. So that's my takeaway from this committee, and thank you just for more [25:30] Teresa Fallon: context. The legislative committee is actually made up of counselors, as opposed to this committee or the recently formed committee on homelessness. And then the committee on housing is also in the works as well. And that is made up of citizens such as yourself. So this committee, to Counselor Beck's point, is really meant to be that kind of advocate on behalf of Angkor. I think that's so [25:53] Katie Brydon: valuable. I think we all recognize that there's a lot missing at the state level that can be set for Vancouver so I'm glad to hear that there's that legislative committee happening and next month counselor Carson will be here to share a little bit more about what 's happening with that legislative committee for us so if there are any questions or any opportunities that you have to either identify things that you might you know have interest in or want to share he will be [26:20] Michael Beck: At our June 23rd meeting all [26:24] Katie Brydon: right flying through this next up is our committee website review and enhancements. So this is something that we started talking about at the end of one of our really long meetings and we're like quick let's say all of these things but they fell so we wanted to give it a little bit of more time to talk about what this could look like and maybe you know identify if there are individuals that would like to be more involved. So right what we identified is that we have this committee not a lot of people know what we do and we've had some citizens come and say, can you help me with this? Or I'd like to bring this forward with your recommendation. But that's been like, what, two people? We don't really have a lot of engagement with the public. And I think that there is a great opportunity for us to be able to, like we already identified, help counsel by being in the weeds a little bit more about things that they might need to hear from citizens that we might be able to help shape before we bring it forward but we need a forward-facing page that folks could then see what it is that we are doing what it is that we would want to do but this would definitely have to be a team effort. So I wanted to talk a little bit about that there's opportunities for us to give sort of quick little updates on what happened you know during each one of our meetings what our areas of focus are what we want you know what we are working on what our goals are there are opportunities for us to be a better oh that was helpful you can share that well I can bring it back up as soon as you want okay opportunities for us to share you know like things like for so long we've been like we're an education and event group we help bring the city together around really important initiatives and ideas and sometimes we do we're like oh it's another month because that's life but if we had you know if we took turns rotating like hey I really care about this heritage month I want to write what it is and what Bangor is doing for it and I want it's in August we're like great at the July meeting you will present like the blurb that you want to share with the city of Bangor well I'll look at it we'll approve it and it will go on the website that's sort Of the idea, are there things people care about? Are there things that we can bring, better bring forward and make it more accessible? And we have this website that exists for that exact reason. So what is it that we can do to better use this site so it's not just like a, there's a lot of like old stuff on here too I think. Yeah, like our onboarding bag it as like an old, you know, kind of updated that, but yeah, it's pretty basic, it just really [29:23] Teresa Fallon: shows like what's in, what's in the ordinance and things. Yeah, so I would love to hear your ideas, [29:29] Michael Beck: your thoughts, what you think we could do with this. Shane, I think last time we had talked about adding like a, I don't know, a box or a link that people could click to like share something with us, right, like if you have a question. Yes, feedback form, it's a great idea, just to say you know if you, if there's an event or a month of recognition coming up that you'd like us to be involved with or do something for, please feel free. I love this information, just have that dumped into like, I don't know, I guess probably your email inbox for you to share [30:03] Katie Brydon: with us. Happy to compile that, no big deal, added to your list. But is it then that we could like, they could like, we could even stay on there like we need the last Tuesday of the month or whatever here. Oh okay, perfect. So we could even say on that like submit by the fourth, Holly, I mean submit by the fourth Monday of the month to be, you know, shared at the monthly acre meetings or something to that effect. We could put like that little box and it could say like if you want this to come in front of the committee you got to fill it out that way you can just basically print it out and bring it to us at the Tuesday meetings. Good idea, thank you. Did that work? Yeah, thank you. We'll just need, I guess [31:00] Teresa Fallon: I could certainly drop something and have you have the committee take a look at it at the next meeting. If there's specific things that you're thinking you want, I'd recommend having that [31:08] Katie Brydon: conversation now and then I can take that into account. That'd be great, thank you so much, Adam. [31:14] Adam Douglas Baker: Real quick, I think any accessibility for anybody to get their input and just get involved and people getting involved in their own government is always a huge plus and should always be encouraged. So I thought that I get more of a comment but yeah. Yeah definitely. [31:34] Katie Brydon: I think that's great. Okay so all right, Katie says there's something called the digital, should okay did you want to come off mute and chair? Yeah I didn't want to interrupt anybody. [31:48] Speaker G (unidentified): And I have an 18 month old dinosaur running around the house. He's so cute. I love seeing him. He's so loud. No, but I actually just went through this whole marketing strategy like I was taught, and one of the things I found really interesting was something called the digital footprint. Doesn't just have to be like data points, but we could come up with like what is our goal or objectives of the website. And so one thing that I just googled real quickly is that you can highlight things like the professional achievements, community involvement, positive contributions, and reputation building. So I guess it just depends on like what we're allowed to do on the website, what are the goals of the committee of you know, and then what Courtney is able to do. Yeah, so I just, yeah, just had that thought. That reminds me, that's kind of the [32:41] Katie Brydon: way that we frame out our annual report, right, like these are our achievements, this is what we did for the community, this is what we contributed, and these are the goals that we have moving forward. So we could, to that point, on the website just sort of like build out blocks almost, right, that identify almost those element, those same elements, if that's what we want to do, right. I think it is important to share where we're showing up in the community, what we're doing, but also what we would like to do and how we could be more available. So those, you know, positive contributions, professional achievements, and then also like goals and what we could do moving forward. Thank you, Katie. You're [33:34] Speaker G (unidentified): welcome. I'll keep looking into this too, if you don't mind, like I'm happy to keep looking into it and looking at some other ideas of like how maybe other state groups do things. Yeah, I think that would be [33:46] Katie Brydon: fantastic. That would be great. And maybe we could all do that sort of with our homework, and then during the June meeting just come back and say like hey, these are examples of how this looks in Santa Fe, and they do a really good job of identifying that, and we could just look [34:01] Teresa Fallon: through. Did you have something to read? I really like the idea about like the months. I'm not super versed on history and what the months are, but I know some very important ones obviously, but I think it's a good idea. I'm sure there's at least one per month, one important day, or I'd love to look at the next couple of months and just see what I come up with, maybe list out a couple different ideas for each month or something. That'd be awesome. Thank you. Yeah, how [34:29] Michael Beck: Annoying would it be corny to build out like a little calendar module on our site that wouldn't necessarily be linked to like the city calendar but would literally just be a month on calendar where we could put you know like month of May Asian Pacific American Heritage month and then specific days in that month and invite people to say you know if there's a celebration that's not [34:49] Teresa Fallon: on this please submit it to us and then we can update it I can tell you that sounds like a lovely idea whether or not actually it looks like a true calendar or not I'm not so sure because I think there's like the overarching calendar that runs off the website which of course is all city meetings and things and then I think we only have one more which belongs to parks and rec but I think whatever you guys are looking to do I'm sure that I can figure it out within the modules on the back end a way to display that in a way that makes sense and then [35:22] Katie Brydon: we can come back and make sure that you guys agree with that thank you yeah it's actually [35:28] Teresa Fallon: I feel like whenever we talk about this, we're just like, oh my god, you guys know it. [35:32] Katie Brydon: I do think that 's really important, and even to that point, if we don't have the capacity to write our own things, saying, hey, city of Bangor, let us know what you are doing, but then we could also just link to other things that are like... [35:55] Teresa Fallon: Yeah, I think we can definitely have that conversation and actually I think it would be good too like if you guys had like conversations and you like vote for content and then because that can carry forward like as the committee evolves and people get on and off and things then you're like revisiting the content and then of course it would be on staff to make sure that the website itself remains up to date based off of the committee's actions. [36:20] Katie Brydon: Yeah I think that would be like great to have as sort of like you know under committee business or events or something it could be like website and then every month we could say okay it is May so I think you know we'd have to be planning for July what is July and you know does anybody know of anything happening and how can we just stay ahead of it just so that we can basically when we get the packet it's a reminder to all of us like okay what's not next month with the month after and how can we Stay ahead of that so that we're always one step ahead, and then if there is something that like, oh my gosh, there's a great site for this particular thing, or this is, but I know something great is happening at the library, you know, how does that work in terms of, I know that the city doesn't necessarily like promote, right? Yeah, there's [37:11] Teresa Fallon: Generally, the city typically will only like promote, especially on social media, or share other websites that the city has some sort of direct involvement with, so whether that's, you know, like we may promote for the downtown mayoral partnership something they're doing, for example, or the library, because the city is like a financial component of those, and we work very closely with those organizations, but because we're still government, it's a very slippery slope in terms of First Amendment, and so Typically, the content that we have out there available is specific to what the city is doing, whether it's directly like an event, for example, we're doing [37:51] Katie Brydon: Or it's something that we're sponsoring. Got it, because I would, I wouldn't want to like spin our wheels on something that it's like actually, you know, that doesn't exactly follow the purview of what we're, we can put on the website too, but outside of, you know, this is what's happening in the world, I do think that a big thing of what we're missing, and like you said, Katie, in terms of like, what do we, what's the goal of this, I think the goal is like telling people in Bangor, in the greater surrounding Area, that this committee exists and what we're doing, and what we think is, you know, what, how we want to be available, because I think that especially with the sidewalk ordinance became very clear that like everybody's working so hard, and there's only so many hours in the day, so if our committee can take on some of those additional needs to like get in the weeds and help promote things, or spend more time on things, or hear from citizens, or help direct individuals, I think that's a really important Opportunity for us, and I think it's really important for the city to have a group of people that have the capacity to do that, and so I think for me, in thinking about what's the goal of this, it is just letting the city know that this committee exists and that we're here to help. I know, for instance, with the formation of the Homelessness Council or committee, I already have heard and seen people being like, oh, I can help with this, or I want to help, can I tell you this? Or there's, you know, everybody's an expert, right? But like, they, there are individuals that want to help. I don't know that people even know that we're here to be able to say like, oh my gosh, it'd be really great to be heard for this reason, or it'd be really great to have this done. That'd be my goal, and I think if we could, I'd love to hear your goals and see if we could sort of [39:47] Teresa Fallon: siphon down what the mission of this is. I kind of just wanted to go off what you said. I think it is really important that we're known, and I'll get a personal with like, obviously I've dealt with a lot of like racial discrimination with my daughters, and it's like, where do you turn, and is there someone that's actually like that cares about these issues? And that's just one little instance, but I think it is important for people to know like, wow, there's someone like rooting for everybody, yeah, and human rights and racial equity. I think that's really important, and so I like that goal too. Yeah, thank you. [40:23] Katie Brydon: Any other thoughts on what the goals are, what we want to make sure is identified? Okay, so then for the next month I think it's going to be important for us to identify if there are certain monthly topics that we want to make sure are at least shared not so much promoted but if there are opportunities to say hey this did you know that yeah you know everywhere is like history or something to that effect we can have that and then also yeah like what how can we best get each meeting i mean to be more accessible and available i know it's obviously on youtube and it's on the city's page, but if there were like little blurbs that we could do about like this month we talked about this and this is like the direction that we're going. Any thoughts on that? Any good sites people use to capture a meeting? [41:35] Teresa Fallon: Doesn't like so the Baylor City Council posted agenda before meeting, so could we do that for hours like this is our agenda? Do you, is that what I'm kind of understanding? We do that, okay. Maybe promoting how folks can sign up to receive the notification could be helpful, yeah, and I think working on the website is going to be big, I do, yeah, but someone's going to want to, we need them to want to click on it, yeah, and as it is right now it is a little bit, yeah, but I do [42:07] Katie Brydon: Think that there's something, you know, we have like our mission and our goals, you know, ordinance and all that. But if there is like a, you know, here's like a may recap, right, sidewalk ordinance, language access plan, you know, website update, right, we could just like quick little blurb on each one. And I don't even know if that's as simple as like taking your notes and just like putting it in AI and being like, give me three bullets that capture what happened at this meeting. Yeah. [42:38] Speaker F (unidentified): I would put that on the website [42:40] Katie Brydon: So that there's like a clickable like, and that's something that we could send to you to put on there after each meeting. Sorry, I keep bringing up AI. I know, I do feel bad when I say it. I try to avoid saying it, but I didn't know how. No, I like your face. It keeps me on the straight and narrow. I don't think so. [43:08] Teresa Fallon: So don't be friends with tragic people. Don't use it for emotional support. [43:13] Michael Beck: A student that has an AI boyfriend that she pays for. [43:19] Teresa Fallon: I don't know. I pay for mine. You want my boyfriend, right? Okay. It could be so helpful. It could be so helpful, but it's scary at the same time. Not that this is the place for it, but it scares me for our children's creativity. Yeah. Greatly. Yeah. Yeah. College, that's very scary. I'm not sure how teachers are. We'll talk about it. Okay. We'll talk about it. I didn't go for it [43:47] Michael Beck: Okay so what we've accomplished is that next month guys [44:08] Katie Brydon: Come to the meeting with any months that you think are important to highlight and what those topics might be. And then if we, if you could even come up with like one sort of mission or goal for this website so that we could make sure that it really is capturing what we want to promote and put out there in terms of our availability and accessibility. And then we'll identify the best way to streamline each meeting and sort of like bite-sized snack so that people know what it is that we're doing and How to stay connected with it. I love that. Hi Robert. All right so next, any other questions, feedback, thoughts? All right. Oh sorry Adam, just again I think keeping [44:58] Adam Douglas Baker: It concise, a lot for people to just be, let's be real, our attention fans are very lucid, correct. If we don't have what we want right there, then most of the time we're just going to give up and just move on to like what else we do. Exactly. Yeah. So maybe that's it. [45:13] Katie Brydon: Maybe we can sort of build out a frame of, you know, they do like the ideas. So yeah. Okay. This is the ways to make it most, you know, most quick. TikTok recap. Cap. All right, next up is pride. Last year we had a table at pride and it was really successful. We had a table where we were able to ask folks, you know, what it is that they, well, how do they envision Bangor and what sort of, how do they feel about the inclusivity and belonging in Bangor? It gave us a lot of great information and helped us identify areas that we might better just be available to the city. I think it would be perfect timing now to be able to say, you know, this we're building, then you know we want to build out our website, we want to be more available. We could even put, we had a survey last year that you could take online and folks did take that survey online and share with us again, you know, how do they feel nothing or what could they order to be more inclusive, how could the city and, you know, those that are in positions like ours be more available and accessible to them. We could even put that. Oh yeah, we can do it again and to compare answers last year. That's great, Katie. We are in a waitlist for a table I now, so I'm hopeful. Thank you for coming. I am hopeful that last year we did get it. We were also on the waitlist and we were able to get a table. I do think that it's just really good to be out there again, a great opportunity to tell the community that we're here. The table last year, we had the set up before 10, the parade from like, I think it was like 10 to 11. And then we had individuals at the table from like 11 to 4, I think it was. And we had a couple of different shifts that folks rotated through. Through and again if fingers crossed we are able to have that table again, I think that would be great. Our folks here on June 27th, would there be interest in helping to table that? Is this something that we are interested in? We could always go get, you know, the table and we might decide, you know, that's not for us this year or we're not gonna, we don't have the bandwidth. What are people, those thoughts? [47:58] Speaker F (unidentified): I think it's a great idea. And I'm open to volunteering. [48:03] Katie Brydon: What's that? I'm open to volunteering? Okay, thank you. [48:07] Adam Douglas Baker: I think we should, I think it's very important. I mean, pride is a- it's- Bangor pride, I know for a lot of people from my community, is like their thing that they look forward to. And, also personally for me, I would volunteer by actually vending there myself. Oh very cool all right nice also i would help [48:32] Teresa Fallon: no worries i think very important i think it what i don't even know what in words what our mission exactly is but if i can imagine one it's exactly what the mission would be yeah to go and support for everyone and inclusivity. And that's like the perfect day and time for that. Yeah. I would volunteer. [48:56] Katie Brydon: Awesome. And this will, we've had a table there for like four years, three years, four years? Yeah, it's always a good time in terms of like actually being able to connect with the city and share and pretty easy, you know, just being able to be available to the city, share what we do and direct people to, you know that the city is really doing its best to be have a you know hear from individuals be a voice for inclusion and belonging so i think that is really important so i will keep you all updated we obviously will have our interview meeting before friday i think in the past it's been really easy to pull together even at the last minute last year we got like beads and we had like a little bracelet making table and folks wanted to come and just hang out make a bracelet and then we had sort of this big butcher paper that folks could write like you know we had specific questions that we had identified and i can send those to you and you can even have them for the june meeting to identify are these the same questions that we want to ask you know like what is you know an inclusive city mean to you? Like, you know, do you feel a sense of belonging and bang war? We had a survey of that, but then we also just asked a question straight out on a whiteboard and people were able to like come and share. It was just a really great opportunity to engage. So yeah, if folks are interested, I think that would be fun and good. Yeah, Shane. [50:34] Michael Beck: Hear me out. There's still room in the parade. [50:41] Katie Brydon: We just hand out QR codes. [50:44] Michael Beck: That's kind of what I'm thinking. Like little get,, do we have a budget? I don't know. If not, I'll donate, but like get some candy and just like, you stick it to a little printout of the QR code and just, cause you're not allowed to throw them. Right. Handing them out. I'm sure we'll get a lot more responses that way. [51:00] Teresa Fallon: Kids will love us. They'll be like, mom, look at this code. [51:03] Katie Brydon: And yeah right yeah tell the city I mean yeah I guess if we're not able to get it sort of [51:10] Michael Beck: accomplishes the same goal yes does anyone have a truck and trailer that's not a car that's true I think I have I have friends that have a truck that's been my secret dream is to be in a parade, like on an actual float. I've walked in them before, but I've never been on the float. Yeah, that would be you all. [51:37] Teresa Fallon: Not with a crown, though. [51:41] Katie Brydon: Don't hold shame back. Would people be interested in that, [51:46] Teresa Fallon: in having a being in the parade? [51:49] Michael Beck: A billion percent, yes. That'd be so fun. Yeah? Yeah? Trying to get counsel to get on the trolley. Yes, that'd be great. That's something we brought up, is getting involved in more parades including pride fourth of July all of those oh my god yeah I think that we need it for council but nothing's been officially decided yet that is a great idea [52:11] Speaker F (unidentified): Yeah Suzette so that's what I was going to ask if the city is involved in like the you know the Christmas parade too and the other parades as well as you know not just this one and then is [52:23] Katie Brydon: there a fee for the booth or there is but it was $50 but it was waived last year because they waive it for certain groups and they waived our fee last year I can't remember that if it was like if nonprofits were waived or something [52:38] Teresa Fallon: Yeah the project governments I'm not sure but yeah it was under an umbrella [52:42] Katie Brydon: Yeah and they waived our fee so there was no cost but I do I mean I think that we would all be on board with being out there as much as possible I think that we've done this one because it we've only ever done the table and so but if there are [53:00] Teresa Fallon: other events with tables yeah I don't know if there was other events with tables yeah I [53:06] Katie Brydon: would absolutely be on board with that yeah oh yeah that'd be fun for the recovery [53:20] Teresa Fallon: recovery that the barn puts on oh yeah that would be a great thing too yeah that's an inclusive like us all getting together it's over yeah I could I could reach out [53:34] Katie Brydon: to I know one of the individuals that's signing that and see what a table might be like for that 's in June too I think July later yeah later yeah I don't know it was [53:51] Michael Beck: I didn't know why I thought gym I could be very much that recovery pollute that yeah I think it was September 26th birthday last year was Saturday September [54:10] Teresa Fallon: 27 I like it would be yeah it was very hot it was summary yes yeah [54:20] Katie Brydon: Yeah, it was like it's definitely summer. It was so hot. Okay, yeah, I could definitely reach out to Barn and see about that, because that would be a good table too. Do you want to put in an application for parade and weekend? Yeah, I can reach out tonight to my truck [54:37] Michael Beck: friends and see my truck friends, my truck friends on roller skates. Oh, you don't want to see non-relevant. Are you good? No, I don't know if I could even, it would be very embarrassing for [54:50] Teresa Fallon: all of us. Just that little ale in front of me before. No, I just, you run into the kids. Yeah. [55:02] Katie Brydon: All right, good stuff. And then if there are any other parades or tables like October, that's a good idea. Any other things happening this summer? I think just, yeah, just being able to get out there. I almost like the idea of being in the parade better and just being able to like and out to you and just like a half hour maybe. And I'm not gonna say we could have like a little splash page that says, you know, who we [55:28] Michael Beck: we are. That's like less of a thing. [55:32] Katie Brydon: Put that together for us. Yeah, good work, Courtney. [55:35] Teresa Fallon: Are you guys thinking that the QR code will go to the survey? I think so. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Oh, like the survey that you did last year. Yeah. I like it. I like also have the [55:48] Katie Brydon: city website. Yeah. Cheers. Yeah. I like the comparing of [55:51] Teresa Fallon: the questions to see if things have improved. Have they gotten worse? Yeah, so I do think there's value in keeping questions. Yeah, but I [56:00] Katie Brydon: definitely like having a table at Recovery Palooza. That's a good idea too. [56:09] Speaker F (unidentified): Cool, any other, oh, I'm sorry, I don't know who is the coordinator for probably last year, I know someone named Carmen Grohl was presented with a proclamation. I didn't know if he's still, because that was a bit controversial. So I didn't know, I don't know who the contact is for that. [Katie Brydon: Like for June.] Like he was presented with a proclamation last year. Yes. And then it was a lot of things came out that were negative. So I didn't know if he was still. [56:41] Katie Brydon: I have no idea. I do remember that June meeting, but that was presented to all of [56:50] Speaker F (unidentified): the individuals that were helping to kind of give a little speech. And then I don't know if that was still, I was just hoping that wasn't going to happen with him again just because it was [57:01] Michael Beck: controversial. Oh, I don't, I don't know about that. Maybe he's not involved anymore. I know from this [57:09] Adam Douglas Baker: Is me personally knowing, I know from last year the people who are organizing Pride a lot are completely different from this year, so it's going to be different, like if other people are running Pride this year from what, from my last knowledge I knew, so, and I think it's more of a collaboration [57:26] Michael Beck: With downtown being more partnership this year, right, yeah, that makes sense, fantastic [57:36] Katie Brydon: Thank you, thank you for that, all right, and then we actually made it to our council liaison on update, finally, Mike, go back, starting in February, or last time you were actually able to give an update [57:54] Michael Beck: Sure, well, since the last time we did an update, we only had one council meeting this way it fell, we have moved ahead two, but because Memorial Day, so the number two is tomorrow, so some of this is something happened, some of this is going to happen tomorrow, and you know, barring a, however the vote comes out, may or may not come to pass, but I'll share what's, what's in front of us, so going back to the May 11th one, we did do a proclamation, celebrating May is Older Americans Month, so Counselor Mallor presented that, and the proclamation celebrated the more than 400,000 Mainers age 16 over who contribute their skills, talent, wisdom, and experience to our local economy and workforce, and this year's theme is mentioned in the proclamation is champion your health, so focusing on wellness and Independence, and so the council emphasized the importance of ensuring that older adults have the resources needed to stay involved, reflecting Bangor's commitment to inclusivity, connect Connectedness and building stronger communities for all, and then as we already discussed the passage, well before I move on, any questions about the proclamation, no, thank you very much for that, okay, and then we already talked about the sidewalk walk ordinance, and then the only change that was made for the recommendation was the phrase at the end of the second sentence was after the individual could be readily identified, we removed the part and access support based engagement to see above, because That was already stated, so that passed. Now what's in front of us on the 27th, tomorrow, is we're going be accepting a tree donation from Bangor Beautiful. So a bunch of trees, water rings, I think like 64 water rings, you have a whole bunch. So you know, it's really neat hearing about it. But they're gonna be six red oaks, seven red maples, three service berries, and 64 fragrant sumac trees. So it's gonna be in the public esplanade on Main Street, so running northward I think is what they said. So the forestry division will oversee the planting and provide ongoing care, and then this improves the urban environment and community well-being in that court. [1:00:08] Katie Brydon: wonderful is that like by shaw's like that 's going on yeah but yeah lovely [1:00:17] Michael Beck: Yeah, so the place was identified that needed, so it was a generous donation that council will be supposed to be accepting. We'll see. Do you anticipate that they won't be? Yeah, I mean, I can't say for sure. I mean, well, it will be what it is. Definitely nothing trees. Yeah, we'll also be awarding grants that have passes two, one, two, three, four, six different. This was through the cultural commission, so there were six grants identified. One for one thousand two hundred fifty dollars to the American Institute of Graphic Arts, their main chapter, for their 2026 poster show exhibition. $1,510.30 to the Bangor Ballet for upcoming performances. Another $1,510.30 to the Bangor Beautiful to create a new public mural at 2 Hammond Street. $1,000 to the Bangor Community Theater for performance production. 2,225 to the Bangor Historical Society for their America 250 event. And $1,500 to the Maine Academy of Modern Music for the Bangor Rocks program. And it was noted during the business economic development meeting that none of these were for fixed assets. That was a concern last year. There was a couple that were fixed assets. assets none of these include that this year we'll also be potentially ratifying the acceptance of 685 000 in grant funds for the Bengal rental assistant program funding from hunt so that's important 42 households are supported by that program so that's important it's also the second reading of the housing committee so that's a big deal so that's going to be established and through the same process for this one that we did with the homelessness committee once it's established well then personal Committee will then meet. It hasn't been identified. I think I'm assuming we're going to do the application process again, but that hasn't officially been stated yet that I'm aware of. But I can assume they'll just work the same way. HIV treatment early intervention services, we're going to accept 80,000 from Maine General to implement Ryan White Part C outpatient early intervention services in the Bangor area. So this is an additional eighty thousand dollars. We've received it previously retroactively. And then this is for services going forward. So all told, that's 160,000 to our community for HIV treatment and early intervention services. Such a generous donation from Maine General. Do that, do they staff that? No, we do. It's, it's our staff. They received, we had received previously 550. Well, we awarded 550,000 to Bengal Public Health for this one. That's right, that's right. So this would be in continuation of that work. We are appointing the members for the advisory community homelessness tomorrow. So we've got nine members including three with lived experience, so the goal was met. So I'm very excited about that. So that'll be done tomorrow. So their immediate charge to create a data driven evidence-informed strategic plan for the city's response to homelessness, and long-term they'll advise on regional coordination of the community legislative proposals, right? And so they'll probably work hand in hand with the new legislative committee to bring ideas forward. Do they have a set meeting time? Not yet, but for the first, yeah, they'll have to set their meeting schedule and then they're gonna have to elect their own chair. They'll be the first orders of business. But anyone who's interested, they can see the names of the people in the committee in the agenda packet for tomorrow. Let's listen there with their terms. There's also going to be a vision zero resolution. So this is, has this was brought forward in the, I believe it was the infrastructure committee having to do with safe streets, and it's a city-wide goal to make sure that we're keeping things safe and equitable for all road users, especially pedestrians, cyclists, and those using mobility devices who are the most vulnerable. It also positions Bangor for future federal implementation funding to make our streets safer. So that's a big deal. So this will be a goal to eliminate traffic related deaths and serious injuries on Bangor streets by 2036. So that's that's huge. The council is also going to pick up the employee authority and immigration matters issue again tomorrow. That's been postponed many times, so you know I have no insight other than on that, other than it's it'll come for us again. Do you have a I [1:05:12] Adam Douglas Baker: I was I was more so I know it's been delayed so many times, it's just no, sorry, I didn't have a question. I thought I did, but I didn't, but sorry, I kind of have a question or I could pick your [1:05:26] Teresa Fallon: brain after, but if it's appropriate, I for the traffic and safer streets, I know Bangor Housing is trying, there's a couple people on the board there who have been trying to reach out to council about speed bumps on Davis Road. Is that has that been talked about at all, or is that would it be appropriate for someone from the board to like go tomorrow? We did receive an email [1:05:51] Michael Beck: council did, yeah, and Davis Road, I think also Finn, there's also probably as well, yep, so we received that email. No, we have not had that discussion, at least not recently. Okay, it may have been [1:06:01] Teresa Fallon: discussed, sure. So I will say that there's an established staff process we go through collecting data to actually determine whether or not meet certain standards, so I can certainly I assume there will be an updated future infrastructure committee meeting, but I can certainly find out more and send an email. Okay, that sounds good, yeah, I'll [1:06:23] Katie Brydon: just echo that i'm on the board for the boys and girls club and i know that has been a really big goal to actually because bank where housing and boys and girls club obviously work so well Closely together, Bangor Housing has been at meetings where Bangor Housing has been here and talked to council about what they can do about speed bumps on Davis Road. And now there's this ask out to the community that lives off of Davis Road to say, how can they get more involved in actually talking to council, because that need is so great. And I know that Bangor Housing has an identified police officer that does have data about how many tickets and how many you know individuals are ticketed for going I think at least 15 to 20 over [1:07:10] Teresa Fallon: yeah, there's actually like a device that's like mounted and it's certainly going to capture like true data and stuff, and then of course things like that can always be added for context, but there are DOT standards that we follow in terms of things that are supposed to be like traffic calming measures, yeah, and things, so yeah, there's a full process, so I'll just [1:07:34] Katie Brydon: Follow up with more information. Okay, I'd love that. Yeah, thank you. Is it helpful to have individuals that live off of Davis Road write emails? I don't think it hurts, certainly. [1:07:46] Teresa Fallon: and i will say i've seen some emails come through around that so i think i'll definitely make sure that not only this committee is providing an update but the individuals that have reached out are also looped in terms of what the process looks like and where we're at [1:08:01] Adam Douglas Baker: With it, yeah, thank you. Oh, great support. Is it the original that's still up right now, or is it the amended one that's up right now? Yeah, it'll be original pending. There was an amended version. [1:08:21] Michael Beck: Version that would move but fail, so it's still the original version. Okay, thank you. And then last but not least, tomorrow, Saturday rather, is the dedication of Talbot Trail. Yeah, and so it'll be 11 30 Saturday, and if you remember, that's the trail that connects Sylvan Road to Stillwater water avenue, so 11 30 on Saturday. Yep, 1 30 on Saturday. Yeah, by 268 South Florida. 268 Selden. Yeah, oh that's. Great, and that's all I had. [1:09:01] Katie Brydon: Wonderful. I know that Talbot, like we moved it from Talbot Park to Tablet Trail because it's still Talbot Park? Okay, that was my question. Is it still Talbot Park? [1:09:13] Teresa Fallon: It is, it's just the fingerprint of it was reduced a bit because of the wide, but there's still a playground and some open space that is still Talbot Park. [1:09:24] Katie Brydon: That was my question. That's good to hear. Thank you so much for that. And if I'm not mistaken, [1:09:28] Michael Beck: The area that was reduced has become soccer fields, and those are still gonna be called Talbot Fields or something, yep. When I say doing something there, that's them. [1:09:35] Teresa Fallon: That's correct actually, yeah. [1:09:36] Katie Brydon: Yeah, which is wonderful. I mean, for the mayor. [1:09:41] Michael Beck: So I think that preserves the legacy. Absolutely. [1:09:48] Katie Brydon: That's wonderful. Thank you so much. Any other questions? A great update, I appreciate it. [1:09:56] Teresa Fallon: I kind of, if it's appropriate to ask here, I want to understand the traffic thing a little bit more. I'm not sure because I got a message I started to go to meetings for like the resident services I'm not like on a board considered but I'm very busy and it's just been something that they've been having difficulty with. Someone got an email back from Susan Faloon and asked if they had contacted the PD about enforcement, so I just feel like it's maybe being misunderstood understood. And I wonder what I could do to like help everyone understand what the goal is. But it sounds like in which what I thought from the original meeting way back with the OT was that they had to do these that whatever device you're talking about, they have to do the study and they're still in the process of that. I believe so. Okay, double check that. Of course, there are, unfortunately, we're down police officers. So doing like targeted enforcement can be tricky but certainly we can work with the police chief to do even like little windows of targeted enforcement over time can have an impact as well so I think that's definitely something that would be evaluated I will say and I this is not specific to this because I haven't looked into it personally so I don't know the specifics of it but I can just tell you having worked with the city now for five years that we get a lot of these requests and oftentimes the data comes back and it doesn't doesn't support what the residents are asking for. And so it can be challenging, I think, to navigate that because it looks like people are flying by your house and they may be going over, but I remember one neighborhood study people were claiming people were constantly going 40, and in fact, there had only actually been a couple of vehicles that were going that fast. Most of them were going between 25 and 30. So that's why the study is so important, because otherwise we would end up with traffic calming measures everywhere that can inhibit prohibit or inhibit whatever word yeah things like removal of snow and all of that so there's just a lot of factors and I'm certainly not you know an engineer or anything like that and if this committee is interested I could probably have somebody from the engineering department come and chat more about this if that's of interest of the committee my only other thought is I know that yeah the request was like speed bumps honestly yeah okay with that said i live out there i don't mind saying that to be honest and i can't if i'm going oh like look down and i'm like oh my god i'm only going 15 i'm flying yeah and i think it's 20 or 25 there yeah i should know but so is it the same process for lowering the speed limit because like on indian island which i work all the time there's speed limits 15 or 20 maybe but no most roads were 15 so is I think that Depends on whether or not it's a locally owned road or a state-owned road. Okay, yeah, easiest example is that ring road that goes around the ball that is privately owned, so there's, you know, it is hard to know. Okay, but I'll add that [1:13:13] Katie Brydon: to my list okay i appreciate it yeah of course yeah that's a great question because i know that 's been a topic of conversation personally yeah main like the paper housing was here to [1:13:25] Teresa Fallon: talk to council about it. I'm sure it was like, yeah, it's really a big thing. The splash pad too, which is, it's difficult because who owns it, banker housing, boys and girls. I don't think anyone owns the splash pad though, I'm not sure, but there's a whole list of problems with that I think. Well, come to summertime and not no supervision. Yeah, but yeah, the officers do great out there. I think it's hard for people to understand that it takes time to do the study, and I, but I remember years ago when we that began. Yeah, when it was like, oh, we have to do this first. Yeah, it's the, my understanding is that we only have like one or two, and so we put them in a certain area for however much time in order to gain like helpful data, and then of course we're following a request made elsewhere in the city, so okay, we've had a little bit of turnover in engineering too, so I definitely want to double check with them in terms of if the, my understanding the process is still the same. Okay, so thanks. [1:14:28] Michael Beck: Excited. Yeah, yes, that's really helpful, you know, and more I think about, yeah, that is the process we just done with that with belly have, right? Yeah, they did a study and the data tells the story, right? Huh, yeah, like I said, so what [1:14:44] Katie Brydon: I feel like everybody in on your bird calls it like, you know, balance feed what [1:14:49] Michael Beck: I think it's a mistake, people I know, I weren't, I don't remember what the [1:14:55] Katie Brydon: result. Yeah, but in my neighborhood all the time, I'm always like slow down, and I did that to my husband going 22 miles an hour, I was like, I know, I yell at him and he's like, I'm like, 12 miles an [1:15:08] Teresa Fallon: hour, I'm like, well, don't, just don't even drive. I drive so slowly that like a child could be in front of my vehicle and I'm okay, I seriously, you have to. Yeah, I had an estate toddler last year, it was just road. But people don't drive like they have, people drive like they don't have kids. Yeah. And there are certainly always outliers, right? Like, I'm sure that data on Ballyhaff showed a couple of people like flying up through there. And so, yeah, I think the recommendation is always based off of like the average. But I do know that, and I think actually Ballyhaff may be an example when there was some targeted enforcement and we did actually see a reduction in complaints and whatnot. Now I'm sure it will circle back around and also like any road that's freshly paved is always a problem for a couple of years. People complain about potholes but I'm just saying that they are a way of getting people to slow down because freshly paid payment people just tend to go way faster. Some of So the roads in Capehart are so bad, and I'm like, please keep them. Yeah. They are bad. If you don't slow down. [1:16:21] Katie Brydon: It's a hubcap. I know. [1:16:23] Teresa Fallon: No, they should stay that way. Yeah. It almost seems like on, I don't know what road that is, near Moosehead, I don't know. But there's like speed. Yeah. Yeah. Natural. Yeah. Frosty. They really are. Good. Yeah. [1:16:39] Katie Brydon: Great. Thank you very much for that update. Any other questions? All right. Well, that is our meeting. Can I get a motion to adjourn? So moved. Second. [1:16:52] Teresa Fallon: All right. Okay, we'll do the roll. Adam? Yes. Katie? Yes. Wonderful. Ray? Yes. Teresa? Yes. Suzette? Yes.