North Yarmouth Comp Plan Committee elects leaders at first meeting

[7:09] Michael: Broadcasting and recording, so we think this is a very important committee for the town, and so it's one of them that we're hoping that you guys will continue doing going forward. We'll do a couple quick introductions here at the front of the room, and then make some comments. Go ahead, everyone has a large button on [7:29] Britt Barton: their microphone in front of them. This is a collaborative meeting, so go ahead and just turn your microphones on. It's okay, there we go, good idea. And you may have to share one with [7:40] Michael: some folks, so and that's fine, so as long as it's green we're good. Fine, that's okay, just getting started, sorry I missed, I missed the fact that your seat was empty there, Chris, so sorry. So we'll do some quick introductions and but I wanted to welcome you as a member of the select board. We see this as a very critical committee going forward. You have a two-year charter, which is quite a, quite a long period of time, but there's a lot of turf to cover, but I also think they have a lot of support in the community with different committees that are completing certain reports. Open space committee is going to give a presentation, so a lot of that work, prep work will be done for you, and there's other tools that will be available to you, and data sets will be available to you as you work through the next couple of years. You probably already know that it's been about ten years, or by the time we finish it'll be ten years since our last comp plan. I wasn't here for that, so I can't give any insight, help you with that at all, but I will be one of the representatives or liaisons from the select board, and Dana, my colleague on the other end, will be sharing that responsibility though, so you have two liaisons. Our job is not to direct you, not to lead you, not to, this is your committee. Ours is just to be a conduit back to the select board. And there will be opportunities at the select board meeting for regular updates from this group, not formal reports with PowerPoint presentations, but a regular schedule. And I think we've agreed on once a month, I think, frequency. Will it be a spot that we'd expect you, someone to come from the committee, give a report? Just a quick update. And if there are times where you want to do a presentation, get more information, ask more questions, we'll have a chance for that as well. So i want to welcome you and certainly thank you for your commitment to this project because it's it's super important as i said to the to the town and certainly to help support the select board. So with that i'll let the rest of the group do introductions and then we'll we'll take a couple steps further. Go ahead all [9:56] Britt Barton: right well, thank you. I know some of you. I've met some of you at Pineland. For those of you who don't know me, I am Britt Barton. I am the town manager here, newly appointed as of two months ago, next week. But I am really excited to be starting this project with all of you. It is a very important initiative that many towns in Maine take on, and I'm excited to make this a part of my first initiative as your town manager. feel free to reach out to me feel free to ask questions. Governance and managing bodies is something I am accustomed to. Previously before here I was town clerk at the town of gray so working with boards and committees is something I'm very familiar with. So when it comes to things like board governance I'm happy to be a part of that and I do have several resources out there. So no matter what question it is, no matter where you think you need more direction as a board, certainly as we get to the point where we elect a chair for this committee, feel free to reach out to me, and I would be more than happy to make sure that you get the right resources that you need, point you in the right direction, because like I said, this is one of the most important initiatives that you can have as a community. [11:30] Bella Smith: Hello, my name is Bella Smith. I am the new admin support for code enforcement. Today was day three so which is really exciting. I'm also currently a graduate student at the Muskie School of Public Service at USM and getting my masters in policy planning and management. I have my bachelor's in environmental planning so being able to be here for the comprehensive plan meetings is really exciting to me. That was a big part of some of the subjects i studied in undergrad and especially in my graduate program and i'm also the greeley girls volleyball assistant coach which has been really fun so i've been doing a lot of things but i'm really excited i'm [12:15] Dana Rogers: Dana Rogers, I'm your Select Board liaison, with Michael be here to help you guys out, support you when you need it, but like Michael said, we're not going to direct you. This is your committee, and we look forward to it. Well, I at least look forward to seeing everybody's work and how things come out. I [12:35] Michael: would also like to introduce, I'm sure you all know Representative Graham, who's sitting next to me, who's volunteered to be a resource. We have some resources in house, but she actually offered to be a resource to this committee, and we're thrilled to have her available to help [12:52] Representative Graham: us with that. So if you want to do a couple words, I'll be here when you need me. I and yeah, it's not much of this is been done by other communities, and there's all kinds of resources out there for you guys to do this, you know, including GPCOG, Office of Community Affairs. And I just know that you've got a lot of support from me, but also helping to make those connections where you need it. And you don't need to reinvent wheels. But I also, with that said, I want to thank you all for stepping up. I know you all have busy lives, families, you know, running out the door, trying to get dinner, and coming over, you know, being a former select woman. You know, I understand that you're taking time away from your families, and I really, appreciate your commitment to doing this, because it's really important. [14:05] Michael: With that said, we'd like for you guys to do introductions, keeping in mind that we don't all know each other. So it's helpful to understand each other's backgrounds, you as a committee, but also us as fellow taxpayers here in the town. And shortly we will be moving forward to one of the parts of our charter is that the first meeting is where you will elect a chair and a secretary. So keep that in mind as you're introducing yourself and your expertise. It's phenomenal. Those of you who couldn't make the appointment meeting, and I get that, the Select Board appointed you all to this very important work. And I was amazed, as I said at that meeting, at the background of this group. It's really we've got environmental scientists, we've got a banker, we've got somebody with experience in housing, we've got folks with land use. If I look at the committees people have served on, they're almost all the committees in the town, you know, from budget to planning to open space and waste reduction. So we have a tremendous amount of resource in this room, and I want you to know that. And please take the time when you do your introductions to explain, you know, the things you bring to the table. The most important piece is that you're a member of this community and you bring your life experience to this committee. You know, we can all have different backgrounds, but most importantly is we're dedicated to doing great things for North Yarmouth, no matter what board or committee we serve on. And that is important, and probably for me, the most important step forward to help make this a better community. So keep that in mind as you do introductions. And then Britt, I think, was going to have something else to say. She nudged herself forward the microphone. [15:54] Britt Barton: So real quickly, I just wanna talk about our meeting objectives. Tonight is not about making any big plans. We are not deciding anything on our comprehensive plan. Tonight is solely for the purpose for us to get to know each other, understand what it is that we want to accomplish, what we bring as individuals, what we can bring as a group, because this is gonna help us determine who is going to be our chair, our vice chair, our secretary, how we will move forward together in the future meetings. So tonight is we're not getting into the nitty gritty. We're not going to be tearing apart our previous comp plan. We're not going to be reviewing the main state statutes. You all do have binders in front of you that Bella and I have put together. Again, this is reference material for you. Gives you an opportunity to ask questions or gain more information, but tonight's meeting is not to come up with a plan of how we are going to accomplish the next two years. It's really just to get to know each other so we can move forward in the next two years in an effective manner. Okay? [17:15] Michael: You have an agenda in your binders, by the way, in Tab 2, so feel free to look at that. And I think Britt stipulated no heavy lifting here tonight, except the binders themselves. You may just determine that to be a little heavy lifting. But we've provided you with some previous documents, some older documents, some land use ordinance information, state requirements and things of that nature just as a starting point to put some source documents together for you at the beginning. And what I thought we do just one step before we go through introductions is your introductions is I wanted to get on the record for the audience, those who are watching from afar, not so afar hopefully. I asked Dana if he'd mind just reading the charge that the select board has given to this committee so you all understand what the project is, what the expectation is. And so Dana, I wouldn't mind grabbing a microphone and doing that. Then all right [18:21] Dana Rogers: so in the charge, the 2028 comprehensive plan committee is charged with overseeing the development of an updated comprehensive plan that reflects the values, priorities and long-term vision of the residents of North Yarmouth. The committee shall lead the comprehensive planning process through development of a comprehensive plan that meets the requirements of the main growth management act. This plan should establish a clear vision and guiding principle for the future of north yarmouth over the next 10 to 12 years. The committee shall engage the community by conducting board and inclusive public outreach to ensure input from residents, businesses, landowners, civic organizations and community stakeholders. And provide opportunities for public participation through surveys, workshops, public forums, and other engagement tools. The committee shall assess existing conditions, including review and updates of data collected to population trends, housing, land use, economic activity, infrastructure, transportation, natural resources, agricultural and forestry, municipal services, and fiscal conditions. The committee will also develop a draft policy, draft policy recommendations that preserve the town's rural character and natural resources while supporting a sustainable pattern of growth. The comprehensive plan will include a future land use plan that evaluates existing land use patterns and zoning and recommends a future land use strategy that aligns with community goals while complying with state growth management requirements. requirements. The plan will support implementation by recommending actions that may include ordinance updates, capital planning, priorities, or additional resources. Implement the land plan and accompanying policy recommendations. [20:10] Michael: MR. Yeah, so the rest of it's obviously in your binder. That's also in your binder right at the very beginning, you know, so everyone understands the charge, right? And from that point, unless Britt has anything more to put on the table, we could go around the room and you could do some good introductions of your yourself what how long you've lived here maybe what committees you've been on your interest in serving on this committee and you know some of your background that you think will help at the table when you guys convene and meet so we can begin anywhere anyone wants to begin so you want to go and I'm sorry I meant to mention that representative Graham is actually a resident North Yarmouth as well so if you didn't know that you know that now I'm sure you're right I'm sure I'm sure you already knew that but there are some new residents here who [20:55] Chris Gordon: may not know that so hi everyone my name is Chris Gordon I've lived in North Yarmouth since 2019 I previously served on the planning board I'm an attorney an in-house counsel for a hold delays USA so corporate services for Hannaford and i have two kids a third grader and a first grader at mabel i wilson i coach flag football right now baseball in the spring so i am out and about with them all the time thank [21:40] Michael: you chris [21:46] Nicole Hughes: hi everyone my name is nicole hughes i have lived in north yarmouth since 2018 I am currently the co-chair of the waste reduction committee. I've been on that committee for six years I was the secretary previously I have one son. He is in kindergarten at Mabel. I will sin I'm excited to be on this committee because I'm really excited that we're raising our son here in North Yarmouth And I want it to continue to be a great place for him to grow up my professional background I was an educator, a public educator for 10 years, and then recently have done a career pivot. I'm now the COO of a small public health data analytics startup, so I'm really excited to bring perhaps both of those background experiences here to this committee. Jay Fulton. [22:39] Jay Fulton: My name's Jay Fulton. I moved to North Yarmouth in 2013, and I've loved every minute of it. And I've served on a bunch of committees, and I'm familiar with a lot of faces here. Capabilities. My main capability is that I can listen to you. The other thing is I have an extensive technical background. Like Nicole, I have collected a lot of data about the town, and I can share that when it's appropriate. I have extensive information about all the properties and the zones and the tax maps and all that. I'm really good at collecting and presenting data that might be useful to us when it comes down to making a final plan, although I think with just listening, like with the surveys, in listening to people, that doesn't actually require any technical expertise, right, except having your ears open. The other thing that I do is that I publish YouTube channels, and I have a channel for the town of North Yarmouth, and I publish stuff. I can make that channel available to us when we need, as a committee, to do something or publicize something, so I can contribute that. That I did attend the MOCA meeting at which Britt, and I think Annie was there, I'm not sure. So I'm already kind of clued in on the fact that some of our ordinances will be changed. But I don't think we're actually gonna change them, right? We're only listening to people for direction, right? You'll have staff that actually does the changing. [24:57] Dominic Gintasio: Hello. My name is Francis Joseph Dominic Gintasio. Just call me Dominic. I am a long-time listener, first-time caller of the town of North Yarmouth. I've lived here all my life since 98. My reasoning for joining this committee was that I found it, like, I found a town that I found a town that tried to, like, come off as, like, just not another suburb of Portland. But I found it easier to get into Portland on an e-bike than it is to, like, get to the town center. So I want to fix that issue. I [26:13] Krista Clark: worked at IDEX laboratories. [26:14] Representative Graham: I started there in January of [26:26] Bella Smith: years organization [26:40] Nicole Hughes: by the one realized [Bella Smith: during] his own that nobody was in this organization I [Krista Clark: do] benefits hi [27:33] Jim Fonts: There I'm Jim Fonts, I'm a 20-year resident of North Yarmouth. I am a product manager for Tyler Technologies, have been there a little longer than that, 22 years. I previously served on the North Yarmouth events committee, also the parks and rec committee, but it's been a gap while I was coaching my kids, but I've aged out of coaching the girls, and my oldest got her driver's license yesterday. So I now have some free time. My, father was a land use planner, by trade, for a number of counties and municipalities around the state. So he's always urged me to get involved on the planning board or this type of committee, and I feel like it's time now. So volunteer. Hi. [28:26] Krista Clark: I'm Krista Clark. I guess to provide some relevant information, it includes my educational background, so that was in the geologic sciences and chemistry, and then I also have a master's in watershed planning, and water resources. My professional focus, I am a project manager working for a large environmental consulting firm. I manage a large team of experts who conduct natural resources assessments, mapping. Mapping. We do all the environmental permitting. Most clients are renewable energy, so solar and wind. I also have clients who are natural gas and crude oil pipelines, so really covering the whole spectrum. And then also the supporting infrastructure to the renewable energy, so transmission lines, substations, battery storage. Let's see, what else is of relevance? I have lived in all states in New England except Rhode Island. I grew up in Connecticut, spent 16 years in Vermont, and then in 2016, my husband and six-week-old at the time, moved to North Yarmouth. So we've been here about 10 years. So our son is a fifth grader at Greeley Middle. He's involved in all the things, soccer and video games and you name it, mountain biking. We live on Milliken Road, neighbor down there. And let's see if Oh, when I lived in Vermont, I served for nine years on the Natural Resources Board, which is the land use planning committee in the state of Vermont, so governs and oversees Act 250. And, you know, really, so I have not served on any committees here in North Yarmouth, So I'm excited to be part of this one, but have served in the committee capacity elsewhere. I think that about sums it up. [31:00] Bob Abbott: My name is Bob Abbott. I have been here for about nine years now. My wife and I re-retired when my son and his family moved here and asked us to come along, which was one of the nicest invitations I've ever had. It turned out I've got granddaughters who are growing up here in the community. My background, mostly academia. I spent all my life, started teaching, but quickly moved into, after a few years, has moved into administration, and it's technology and computers. Since coming here, I am retired, too, by the way. Since coming here, I've been very interested in open spaces, the parks, all through the region. But our town, I think, is blessed with a lovely park system and trails. I personally live on Henry Road, which is going up to Bruce Hill, which is Knight's Pond. There's a path from my house to Knight's Pond, which is great. These things are of great interest to me. I've been on the Parks Committee now probably for seven or eight years. I'm the co-chair right now with Lori. I do a lot of work for Royal River. One of my favorite things is making kiosks and guard arms for signs and things like that. So myself and another fellow have become the carpenters. It's been a real pleasure for me. I'm so interested in what the future is going to hold. I love numbers and analysis and so forth, too. Given that and the interest, there is something I could give. [33:49] Dave McLaughlin: Thanks, Bob. Hi. My name is Dave McLaughlin. I've been here since 2010. You know, it's funny, when I moved here, I grew up originally in Limestone, so big sky country, and when I drove around on the rolling hills of North Yarmouth, I think that's what kind of drew me in, and I bring that up because I recall that 85 percent of the highest survey amount of the prior comp plan or basis was we want to maintain the rural area. area. My background is more developing areas. I retired from Camden National. I was a lender, business lender. I was the first director of Lending of Fame, so I had a lot of exposure there looking across the state. I've done a lot of deals. Thompson's Point, I've done most of the financing there to give you an idea of some of that background. I still consult. I consult for JPCOG and for the City of Portland on any of their loan investments. I basically act as their loan officer. So somebody asked me to be on this committee and I'm going, you know, I really like planning. And I always remember one of the toughest deals I ever worked on, deals that we would leverage up and go against bank policy. It would be riskier. here, they always had one hell of a plan. If they didn't have the plan, then we wouldn't do that. I'm a real believer in plans, so I think it's part of the reason I'm here. [35:33] Rob Wood: Thank you. I'm Rob Wood. When my wife and I moved to Maine in 1978, we wanted to buy 20 acres on the ocean. We're in North, Yarmouth. But we built our house and we're still here. So I've been, my professional life was adult education in Portland, where there are 2,000 immigrant students at the moment, and then I formed a nonprofit to support that. But within town, I've been on a few committees, foreclosure, pay-to-throw, open space now, budget committee, and six years on select board. So I know how to sit and listen. I get antsy, I'll warn you. Frustrated but I believe in meetings I believe in planning and I just think this town needs to get together and plan for the future because it's going to come whether we do that or not so I'm committed to that thanks Bob yeah go for Yeah. [36:58] Representative Graham: I'm sorry. That's all right. So I just have to say my heart is full. I'm so pleased that you all have stepped up and what your stories and what you bring. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. One of the reasons I'm here tonight is to let you know I'm here for you, but one of the things is I'm running unopposed for the legislature this is the first time in eight campaigns my first race was in 2006 and so I haven't knocked on all your doors and I really miss it I really do I go by I've got some neighbors here I mean Dominic went to high school went to school with my son Jay drove me the last time and anyway my point being is i just i'm just so full of gratitude that you all have stepped up so my family has been here since 1994 my with three sons all that live in the area but not here in north yarmouth and he's on the select board with Rob and really kind of saw our community grow and change was part of why this building is here as I was part of that process and I'm very proud of that work so I just wanted to say again thank you I'm gonna actually excuse myself so you all can do your work I think you're I'm so excited for the things that you're going to be doing and again thank you [38:51] Britt Barton: Okay so to echo Annie I'm really humbled and excited after hearing all of your introductions I'm very excited for the work that we're all going to accomplish together that you will accomplish as residents this is after hearing everyone their intros I'm excited to more excited than I was to be your town manager so really I gave a high-level overview we are just talking today we're getting to know each other you are here to shape the future of your town in your community what's really important to know is we are not gonna be making any need decisions here as individual bodies our job is to sit here and speak and for our residents for our members for our neighbors and our friends so we may all have these great ideas coming in here but we want to make sure that we bring in our public perspective as well so that's really what we're going to be focusing on I had a meeting with Dana and Michael a few weeks ago and we're all on the same page we want to make sure that we get as much public input as possible. So again, we're not going to be driving your discussions, but know that is front of mind of how we want to support you bringing that forward. So like many of you know, it's guiding your future. Our next few months really are going to be focused on public participation. So keep that in mind as you get to the point where we are electing our chair and vice chair. Your roles and responsibilities, our roles and responsibilities as your liaisons, as your support system, the four of us sitting here, we are not voting members. We are not participating members. We are just here to give you guidance and support and connect the dots for you. If the four of us are not here, you can still start your meetings without us. You just need a quorum, so you will be fine without us. You can make decisions without us. You do not need our guidance on those decisions. You have full authority to ask us to assist you in surveys, event planning, outreach. That is your job. That is your charge. So come to us whenever it is necessary. But we will never direct you in what we believe you should. We may provide a little guidance of oh we may have found this information would the committee find it beneficial, but we will never direct you in that direction. So you are going to be leading this charge. We are just here to support you. Yes, just so we're all on the same page, can [42:09] Dominic Gintasio: Can you define, like, how big a quorum is? [42:13] Britt Barton: Quorum is more than half. All right. Yes. Just so we know. So you are a committee of 12, so as long as you have seven members sitting at your table, you are good to call a meeting. That is why we are also going to get to the point of having a chair, a vice chair, and a secretary. So your chair, if your chair is present, will be the one that calls the meeting to order. Order your vice chair. In the chair's absence, will be the one that calls the meeting to order, lead it. If that doesn't, if you are out your chair and vice chair, luckily you have a secretary as well. Your secretary will be the person that is maintaining mean it meeting minutes, members present, motions taken, how the motions were, how the motions were taken, so if anyone has voted for or against, and again when we get to who has been elected as your chair, vice chair, or secretary. If you have questions, I did give a breakdown in your binder of those roles and responsibilities for those specific people. But if you need more clarification, please ask me. I'm more than happy to explain it further. And it also does go over agendas and what we will expect of those. You will be creating the agendas as a body. They will not be coming from our office. Our office will be the ones that will assist you in getting information that you need for that. We will be the ones that will assist you in making your agendas, posting the information, getting these meetings recorded, and getting everything out to the public. But we will not be the ones that create those for you. You. One thing I really would like to highlight is you have these binders in front of you. There are key objectives listed. There are activities, deliverables. These are not guiding principles for you. These are just suggestions based off of other communities who have recently gone through comprehensive plans. This is what they have found to be beneficial for them, so I've compiled it into a binder for you. So please note, we are not directing you to do any of these activities. We are not directing you to take any of these surveys, do any of this. This is just information I have compiled from other communities that they have found beneficial. So far do we have any questions? So this is going to be, this is really intended to be a collaborative discussion. So feel free to speak up. You are all here for the same objective. So no person is more important. No voice is more important. We all want to have the same outcome here. I [45:23] Jay Fulton: did think of a question. Go for it. Scheduling meetings so that they end up in the big room, not in the yes room that has no media. [45:34] Britt Barton: Yes, so how does that happen? We are, we are fully aware that this is a very important committee you are leading the charge for all of your friends and family and neighbors. So we are making it a priority to make sure that these meetings are recorded, broadcasted. Wednesday's, the third Wednesday I believe is what we've come to the conclusion on, tentatively. Third Wednesday is going to be the best day for this committee to meet in this room to make sure that we have that space available for everybody. We've scheduled the first three meetings, I don't have that in front of me right now. Yeah, we've scheduled the first three meetings, but it will be up to the committee to continue these. We only did it to make sure that we have the space available for everybody, but again, scheduling meetings is up to you. I [46:37] Michael: would, I would just like to, I know someone asked me this question actually in another meeting, one of you that's here, other financial resources available to you, and that it's worth noting that the Select Board allocated some funds this for this coming year. I'm not gonna quote what that number is. Do you remember what it is? Then I'm not gonna say it. We're not hiding it. It's just I was on the Budget Committee. You'd think I know that on the top of my head, but I don't. But there are funds that are allocated for this, and the expenditure of those funds would have to come back through the Select Board for approval, so those would be the kinds of discussions where you, hey, we need this done, and we think we can get this resource from another entity or body. That was something you'd bring to the Select Board and say, okay, we need to do that, go ahead. Yeah, along that lines, Mike, there's a, there's an awful [47:27] Dave McLaughlin: lot of data in this previous comp plan. Yeah, I'm assuming we're not the ones to compile that data, but yeah, you know, that's the doubt on which is going to prompt our discussions moving forward. Where does that data come from? I mean, if you say go out and get the data, sure, I could do it, would take a long time, so I'm assuming somebody else is gonna compile. [47:51] Britt Barton: This is a conversation that would need to come through the committee as a whole. Yeah, so you have the option of compiling the data on your own. It is a big task to compile all of that data. There are resources out there, are consultants who assist with comprehensive plans. GPCOG is one of them. There are other independent consultants. So those are things that we can provide the information to the committee if that is something they wish. But those do come at a cost. And you would also want to discuss what type of information you would want to charge those people with. So how much do you want them to take on? I do know GPCOG did assist Cumberland and it was about $100,000, yes. They assisted another community and it was about $25,000. So it all depends on how much information you would like their assistance with compiling. A lot of the comprehensive plan is data. A lot of it I believe it's section no six you have it outlines a draft plan in there 's the optional self-assessment checklist it's an optional self-assessment checklist but these are all things that we need to make sure that we hit on it's a lot of information in there so our office can assist in compiling this information for you and this data we are a small department it would be mostly bella so something to keep in mind how about other towns other towns have done it without consultants Without twenty thousand dollars so other towns have if you go on the state of Maine's website MOCA if you go on MOCA's website where they have the most recent comp plans generally those ones without the assistance may have taken longer or they have been sent back for further review to the comprehensive plans it's just something to keep in mind so as the committee it's important for you to discuss how long you would like for this to take how much you [50:38] Krista Clark: Outside assistance you would like as well yeah what about feedback that's been received over the last eight will be ten by the time but you know eight years as well as you know those committee members that were part of the creation of the 2000 so you know anything where they left off thinking if we only had more time and money we would have so that's completely up to the [51:10] Britt Barton: Committee, you're like, we said a couple weeks ago, public engagement is going to be the most important part of a comprehensive plan. That is the feedback I've received from the other communities who have recently gone through it. Public engagement, as much as you can get up front, is going to help you shape this going forward. So you have every opportunity to reach out to previous committee members, see what they had, but it's important to note that if you decide to reach out to previous committee members, it needs to be a decision of the board, not an individual. You say board, you mean committee? Sorry, yeah, but yes, it needs to be a decision of the committee to reach out to previous committee members. It is fully within your right to have this conversation, to reach out to them, but if you reach out for historical data, historical information to influence this upcoming comprehensive plan, you'll want to make that decision as a committee. [52:19] Dana Rogers: Just to echo off Britt real quick, on that last comprehensive plan, I think a big reason why we do want as much public feedback as possible is because of the last comprehensive plan. I don't know how many of you remember how many changes had to be made after the fact, how many votes we had in town after the fact, big things like the 20-foot roads to houses. That was a big one. I don't know if you all remember those Facebook posts and those arguments at the select board. They were pretty good. But having that public outreach and getting back in touch with the town, we don't want to have our blinders on to what we want, but to what the entire community wants. Like Britt said, with time, if you guys need more time or resources from myself or Michael, feel free to reach out. If there's something you want to tackle that feels big and you're not sure how to present it, again, feel free to reach out to myself or Michael or Brett or, you know, anyone really in the town. But as your liaisons, we're more than willing to help you out through this process and try to have as much feedback for you that I get on the select board through whether it's emails, public comment, I'll gladly bring that here as well because some folks like to yell at me and then they're quiet everywhere else. I'm like, hey, come to the meetings. Like, no, I'm just gonna yell. You like, okay, if. [53:44] Bob Abbott: I'm not sure how it's going to evolve, but I assume that we're going to be using the computer and internet for storing information, getting it to each other, and so forth. Is there going to be, can we have support from the town and setting something up, organizing it? Yes, so [54:05] Britt Barton: So we will be updating the Comprehensive Plan Committee page as information is compiled. There is also a Comprehensive Plan Committee designated email that has been established for this committee. So any sort of correspondence through the public, or if you set up a web-based survey, will have you use that email address, so all that information is stored. That's gonna kind of feed back into my fellow discussion that we're gonna have in a little bit, but yes, any of that information will be compiled at the town and we will maintain it electronically and physically [54:56] Nicole Hughes: Given the volume of work that needs to be completed, I'm assuming a lot of it will have to take place outside of our meetings, like we'll discuss things and then we'll be working on them. Is our committee subject to kind of the same rules and restrictions as other committees around, yes, sizes of groups that can communicate to each other outside of meetings? Yes, what is that [55:19] Britt Barton: size for you? It will be seven. If you choose to create subcommittees for whatever reason, we do have space in the code enforcement office where we can make sure that you have an established space within town office, so it's a public space. You will also have access to records and staff, so I would encourage you to use that space if you need to meet for subcommittees, just so we can make sure that if there's anything that needs to happen, you're doing it in an open public space where you [55:56] Jay Fulton: have staff assistance. Yeah, just on that number, seven is seven, the tripwire, so if it, the number is seven, that's the requirement for public? Yes, okay, so it's really six if you, unless you're [56:12] Britt Barton: planning, realistically, yes, it's seven, but we don't want to get to the point where it may be on the edge. When it's a committee, the size for the work that you're doing, generally a subcommittee size of four to five is a good number to keep in mind [56:40] Krista Clark: mapping? Yes, and that's those sorts of support services. Yes, so that will come from our [56:53] Britt Barton: department, it will primarily come from Vela, so I [57:00] Michael: Made a comment earlier about some of the work some of the other committees are doing. I think Open Space is finishing their plan, their project, here shortly in the next few months, and I forget this, EDSC has been doing some work as well. So I suspect that you're going to want those reports, access to those, and they will provide you with some great information relative to those things you were asking about in parks and trails. I mean, a lot of that is being done by the committees in the town. So again, I think the key here for us, for you, is we're the resource to help tell you where to get that information and how to get it, especially Britt, frankly, because she's well-connected with other towns and even in our town. So it's those kinds of things. What will you need, where would we get this if we needed this staff, you know, or us, and we can help you find it. So but that would be an area that I'd have the greatest concern personally for that data. Another question I had which is [58:09] Krista Clark: about collaboration with other committees, knowing that there is overlap there, and but I suppose that is something that we as a committee would [58:16] Britt Barton: decide, you know, is it time for a meeting with, yeah, so if this committee chooses to collaborate with another committee, you would decide it as a committee majority, and all we would ask is that you would loop us in at Town Hall so we can make sure that if there's going to be a quorum we can post appropriately, we can make sure that you have the necessary space, and that's if you're meeting as a whole. But if you're just saying, hey, the chair wants to reach out to the chair, that's fine, but if you want to meet as a whole to collaborate, we would just ask that you would loop us in. Do the same rules apply for non-committees? [59:00] Dominic Gintasio: I'm noticing here on the transportation area that it mentions the Main DOT, D.O.T., approving a transportation plan, if possible. [59:09] Britt Barton: Where are you, John? [Bob Abbott: Section 6.] Oh, Section 6? [59:15] Dominic Gintasio: Yeah, it says transportation, open parentheses, applicable if community has no Main D.O.T. approved as TPA, transportation, manned, closed-barrier disease. So I'm wondering if, like, age 12 of 19? [59:33] Britt Barton: So yes, since where it says applicable if community has no Main DOT approved STPA transportation plan. So we would want to make sure that, do we have that plan or yes or no? Yeah. [59:48] Dominic Gintasio: So the same rules applies if we would per se like want to talk to like it or another government entity to discuss things about the plan. [59:59] Britt Barton: So this checklist is really for when we get to the draft plan and the draft chapters. [1:00:05] Dominic Gintasio: Yeah, I know it's a draft, but I was curious about other entities that aren't just other committees. [1:00:11] Dana Rogers: So if you wanted MDOT to come speak to the committee about maybe a traffic study or something that they did in town, is that? Yeah, like that. [1:00:20] Britt Barton: Okay. Or other departments. Yeah, so if the committee is looking for MDOT to come and speak to you, let me know. I can set that up. All right. [1:00:29] Jay Fulton: Okay. One other question on the head count. We're 12. Yes. But the initial outset on August 18th was 14. Did we lose two people? [1:00:43] Britt Barton: Two had withdrawn their applications. [Jay Fulton: Liza Batchelder and...] I wouldn't be able to tell you off the top of my head. [1:00:56] Jay Fulton: Not here, so that's them. [1:00:59] Britt Barton: Whoever's not here, the two that had withdrawn their applications, yes, except Leah Mitchell. [1:01:04] Michael: She hasn't withdrawn and Joe Bean. Yeah, oh yeah, of course, I'm looking. [1:01:13] Britt Barton: All right, and real quickly, just want to touch on FOA. Anybody familiar with FOA? FOIA is federal, FOIA is state. We are mandated by state. So FOIA is the Freedom of Access Act. So as a body, if you conduct any business that is subject to FOIA, which means it is public record, I strongly suggest you do not have group chats. I strongly suggest you do not have group email chains. Is certainly okay to send out an email saying hey, meeting date is on this day, but to conduct business through email communications needs to be done in a public setting, which would be something like this. Anything that you do through electronic communications, written communications, notes taken during a meeting are subject to FOA, meaning any member of the public, does not just need to be a resident, can request those. You would get contacted by my office if there is a request for your information, and we would need to compile all that information from you. This includes text messages, emails, call logs, so please keep that in mind. So that is why we have created that comp plan specific email, so if any correspondence need to happen, we strongly encourage that you either CC it or use it, that way we have the records and I don't have to reach out to you and say can you please send me a screenshot of your text messages. I can just say have access to that already do we have questions about foe because I know it's usually has a [1:03:24] Jay Fulton: a lot of questions. I did have one of the questions, what about shared resources like a Google Drive? [1:03:30] Britt Barton: That anything would be foa everything would so everything would be shared. It's for if you share it 's foa you don't even have to necessarily share it if it's on your computer it's foa if i said i would like a foa request for jay fulton's excel spreadsheets that involve anything that says 10 village square road you would have to send it to me. I've got one of those I'm sure I'm sure that's why she shows it but just please keep that in mind if you are conducting any sort of research I would start. If you're doing it on your personal computer please create a folder save it to that folder to save yourself a headache anything that is comp planned related follow-up questions if. [1:04:29] Rob Wood: We have a subcommittee they'll. [1:04:37] Britt Barton: Follow it doesn't mean it needs to be publicly noticed does not mean it needs to be publicly noticed but any notes that you take can still be followed so as we're sitting here in a meeting bella's taking notes right now bella's notes can be followed so something to keep in mind just stepping back one if we're doing. [1:05:03] Bob Abbott: Research at home on our computer you know obviously i would probably have a folder for it you're saying that folder that we're putting together on our computer is can be requested yes which. [1:05:23] Britt Barton: Is why i say put in a folder because it will make your life easier if i ever request it i can say with about 99.9 certainty it's not gonna happen it could so it's just something we want to put front of mind right off the bat because this is a controversial topic. Comp plans are there's no hiding that. Controversial topics tend to be followed so. Not saying this to scare anybody because the likelihood of me reaching out to you with a follow request is very slim but if I have to. Please know if. Yes. So, I mean I've been followed for my search history I've been served forward for my email drafts that haven't been deleted I have been forward for text messages to a colleague these are not me as a public official that is something I am subject to it has happened I have also had to reach out to committee members for smaller committees that you wouldn't think had to be forward because there was a request for information so I'm again not saying this to scare you I'm not saying this to put anyone. On notice I just want you to be aware that this is something that can happen. [1:06:58] Krista Clark: You have questions about what we can and can't reach out to me reach out to me yes. [1:07:08] Britt Barton: When I saw him so when it's something that's FOA I am very well versed in it. I used to be the public access officer in my previous life where I was averaging 14 FOA requests a month. So when it comes to reviewing a FOA and knowing what can and can't be sent, the guidelines by it, I'm pretty well versed. So I could give you a really good idea of if you're safe or not. If it's something more complex, then I'll reach out to our attorney. But if you have a question about a FOA, please reach out to me. [1:07:45] Bob Abbott: Excuse me. I'm wondering if maybe you could put together some guidelines, a sheet or two? [1:07:52] Britt Barton: So in your binder, under Section 1, I believe it is in there right after there's a section called Freedom of Access. So it goes over public meetings, public records, email electronic communications, avoiding serial meetings, and best practices. [1:08:26] Jay Fulton: So flip again. We have to read this. [1:08:32] Britt Barton: I put a lot of work into putting it together. [1:08:35] Jay Fulton: I would like to testify that Britt answers her emails and she responds to phone calls. [1:08:42] Britt Barton: I do my best. I'm testifying. I do my best. Yeah, so there is a breakdown. It's a high-level overview of FOA. Please don't be scared. I just want to make it. [1:08:59] Chris Gordon: I had a question sort of back on the research, and you mentioned search history, which may have answered it. So would it be if we are researching and we're Googling, we're on another town's webpage reading a comprehensive plan, we should say like or and you're cruising from website to website you're not usually like keeping track of all that but we should like if we read something i that's probably getting way into the weeds okay i was gonna say i wouldn't i just wanted to make sure where yeah where on the on [1:09:34] Britt Barton: the research should i save everything i read you as a committee member i will say like i said 99.9 percent sure you will not be followed for things like that me as a public official I'd say I'm 75 percent sure I won't be followed for that if you if you [1:09:53] Dominic Gintasio: want to be safe I recommend just saving the links in a text document of the site to use like for research it doesn't have to be like the full thing it's just like the home page thing like dot com realistically [1:10:13] Britt Barton: you will be fine on your search engines just if i there is a possibility that i will reach out and say i need your search history for xyz date so you'll be helped through the process you will be helped i won't just throw it at you it's not [1:10:31] Dana Rogers: like a foia where they just go in and take everything from you foe is less invasive yes [1:10:36] Nicole Hughes: Much less invasive. It's sort of a tangential question. AI, if we were to use AI, does the town [1:10:46] Britt Barton: have an AI policy around like how it does not currently have an AI policy? Yes, but please use it carefully. Yes, it'll [1:11:04] Dominic Gintasio: probably be under forward to your conversations with the AI. [1:11:07] Nicole Hughes: Yes, yeah, I guess I was more thinking about from a perspective of take this complex document, upload it, using it as a reference tool to like help me understand the zoning document when I'm not familiar with zoning. Does the town have a policy? We don't have a policy preventing that. [1:11:25] Britt Barton: Okay, we don't have a policy allowing it. The town currently does not have an AI policy, but I will stress please use it responsibly. Double-check what it says because AI has been known to say, Oh, ordinance XYZ says this in subsection whatever, and it doesn't. So it's a great tool to make sure that we're able to find it, just double-check it. I've used it to say please help me find where it addresses this, and then I've gone and looked for it, but I haven't taken its word for it. So are we okay with fella anyone yet right I have I promise it's not as scary as it sounds it really is not your personal information will never be distributed anything that I am requesting for a FOA it'll have my eyes well Lisa's eyes because she's our public access officer but it will have our eyes on it will not be distributed until I have reviewed it and made sure that it has been scrubbed it doesn't have anything that it won't have phone numbers it won't have emails and it we will make sure that is in compliance before anything goes out. And if there's- [1:12:59] Jay Fulton: I noticed on a recent talk, you even blacked, you even- Redacted. Blocked out, redacted, thank you, an address. Yes. For a candidate. [1:13:07] Britt Barton: Yes,. All right. So, I mean, we've already touched on pretty much everything, all the big fun stuff. Are we feeling okay so far? [1:13:27] Dave McLaughlin: Just a thought for the first meeting is to have somebody from the prior comp group come in and debrief the whole process, what they went through, what worked, what didn't work, what they would, you know, they could just give us a lot of advice that we're not going to have to learn. They can take that out of play for us. So, [1:13:53] Britt Barton: without a whole lot more left on our agenda, I guess our next order of business is nominating and electing a chair. So, what I would like to do is open the floor for nominations of a chair. [1:14:13] Krista Clark: Nobody hold back. You can speak up. I want to ask if anybody wants to be the chair. [1:14:19] Britt Barton: Would anybody like to be the chair? [1:14:28] Dominic Gintasio: Shoot, I'll do it if you want me to. [1:14:31] Jay Fulton: There's one candidate. Do [1:14:36] Britt Barton: we have any other nominations for chair? So we don't have anyone who's been through the comp plan as the chair. Anybody here been through the comp plan before? [1:14:54] Michael: Just voted for it. Okay, someone did comprehensive planning with the school. I've [1:15:02] Nicole Hughes: been involved in like strategic plan, like district strategic planning. [1:15:05] Dana Rogers: Was [1:15:12] Britt Barton: that a hand raise? I [1:15:16] Nicole Hughes: I mean, I am familiar with like the regulations required of a chair. I co-chair a committee in town currently. So [1:15:32] Britt Barton: I have a nomination for Nicole Hughes. Do I have a second? Alright, do I have any other nominations on the floor? The nomination for Dominic? Do I have a second nomination? All right, now I'm in. All those in favor of Nicole, all those opposed. That was a unanimous. Call will be our chair. So now we will open the floor for nominations of vice-chair. You have any nominations? Of nomination for Dominic, do I have a second? I'd like to nominate David as our vice chair. I have a nomination for David. Do I have a second? Do I have any other nominations on the floor? All those in favor of David McLaughlin for Vice Chair? Okay. Thank you for Vice Chair. Hey, beer time. One last. All right. So now our last item is nominations for Secretary. [1:17:10] Rob Wood: Yes. Because I'm President Secretary for something else. And I'm not nominating myself. [1:17:19] Britt Barton: It sounded like it. [1:17:21] Rob Wood: One of my groups started using AI for note-taking. [1:17:26] Britt Barton: Is that allowed? There's no policy currently allowing it or preventing it. There's no policy currently for or against it. [1:17:37] Rob Wood: I'm just tossing that out in case someone doesn't get it right all the time. [1:17:41] Dana Rogers: I already feel the agenda item populating. I'm like, no. [1:17:45] Britt Barton: Don't worry, I already have a draft. [1:17:49] Nicole Hughes: It sounds like it will also be helpful that we're broadcasting all of the meetings, so if you miss something you will have the ability to go back and watch and figure out who was the person who seconded if you missed something. I think that would be, that's my personal best [1:18:03] Dana Rogers: friend on the select board is going back and re-watching the meeting. You can speed it up too, [1:18:07] Jay Fulton: so which helps. Yes, I would like to say that it's good that we don't have that policy. The One of the great things, and I actually watched Diana, previous manager, do this one night. The equipment was not working, so she put out her cell phone with the recording button on, right, and recorded all the words of the meeting, and then she and I and other people ran it out to get a transcript, script, and we were able to produce minutes the next day, whereas in the traditional method, somebody would write it all and then submit it to the chair, and then the chair would distribute for readership, and then a week or two would pass, and then on the subsequent meeting, we're only going to meet once a month, right? At least at first. [1:19:02] Britt Barton: Committee of the whole will meet at least once a month. Yes. [1:19:06] Jay Fulton: So if we do it the old way, right, there'll be a month between the details of the meeting and the initial presentation of an agenda for approval. In the 21st century, we should definitely be using tools to do it, but then you need the human oversight, right? You can't just publish that stuff. You have to look at it and double-check it against your actual understanding. [1:19:37] Britt Barton: Yeah, so the AI policy is something that will certainly be discussed by the select board. But, yeah, you're welcome. [1:19:45] Dana Rogers: A non-AI option, though, is if anybody's ever used Dragonfire with Microsoft Word, you can just play the video and record the video, or not record, transcribe the video right to Word. And that's AI gone. The only thing you want to do is make sure it got words right. So if I say J, it may say BAE, stuff like that. [1:20:05] Britt Barton: So in the world of government, that would actually be considered AI? [1:20:11] Dana Rogers: I don't like government. [1:20:14] Britt Barton: Just so you know, also autocorrect is considered a form of AI. Yeah. Yes, it is. And that's so reliable. I'm just throwing that out there. [1:20:24] Jay Fulton: These automatons are remarkably good at many things, but they're remarkably bad at ordinary things. we consider normal like what is Dominic's actual name or what is the spelling of Laughlin or [1:20:38] Britt Barton: yep so that's something that will certainly be addressed by a select board at their future meeting but do we have any nominations on the floor for secretary this [1:20:55] Nicole Hughes: is the one I was going to volunteer to be can you do both no [1:21:09] Britt Barton: I have a nomination on the floor for Rob do I have a second he [1:21:21] Krista Clark: might not want to though [1:21:22] Britt Barton: do I have any other nominations on the floor nominate someone else if you want no alright so seeing no other nominations I'll call for a vote all those in favor so our next meeting is set for October [1:22:04] Jay Fulton: October what [1:22:12] Rob Wood: 1021 [1:22:35] Britt Barton: One item that I suggest this committee considers is if they would like to do any outreach during the November election. So something for consideration for your next agenda item. [1:23:00] Chris Gordon: Time, 6.30? Yes. [1:23:06] Jay Fulton: Will rules allow us to have a table anywhere near the voting? [1:23:10] Britt Barton: As long as you are outside of the stanchion six feet after ballots are cast thank you very much this town clerk that was my previous life 10 [1:23:29] Krista Clark: 21 so do I have it right that we have [1:23:32] Britt Barton: 10 21 11 19 so it's 10 20. So we only established the first three because we were leaving it up to the committee count is the first does this count as one okay yeah so the only meetings that have been scheduled today, 10-21 and 11-18. After that, it is up to the committee to continue their schedule. [1:24:10] Bob Abbott: Wednesday is not a good time for me. There's another committee meeting. Was it a Wednesday you were saying? I [1:24:25] Nicole Hughes: also have a recurring commitment the third Wednesday of the month. [1:24:28] Britt Barton: But I will make it work. So it will be up to the committee to choose their schedule we went with these because this is what [1:24:39] Krista Clark: worked for meeting space and recording times is it possible to get a list of available time slots [1:24:45] Britt Barton: we can work with staff yes I'd [1:24:51] Jay Fulton: like to suggest that be an agenda item for the next meeting [1:24:53] Nicole Hughes: determining the dates okay can we have a sense of who can make it on 10 21 to make sure we would have a quorum I can move what I have once I [1:25:11] Dominic Gintasio: mean I have like some I have like meeting with social security but it's like in the middle of the day and not like this afternoon so I can be here one [1:25:30] Nicole Hughes: more time so no secretary I was gonna say will you be able to be present 10 21. Okay great I just want to make sure we will have secretary especially okay does anyone have other agenda items that they want to make sure are included on our next actually I'm assuming we follow the cadence of posting an agenda publicly two weeks before the meeting yes so if there are topics that people want to make sure we discuss at our next meeting now would be a good time to surface those yeah [1:26:04] Jay Fulton: Yeah, for an agenda item, I'd like to understand the details of using the email address. I'm assuming that we, I don't know, do we all have readability but no send? [1:26:19] Britt Barton: So the only people who will have access to that email address will be the chair, vice chair, secretary, Bella, and myself. [1:26:33] Rob Wood: So if Jay wanted to ask me a question, you've got to send it through. [1:26:38] Britt Barton: No. So if Jay wants to just send you a question individually, he certainly can. But emails that may be sent for conducting business on behalf of this committee should be sent through that. So you will have the ability to send emails through there. Nicole will have the ability to send emails through there. But it will be on mine and Bella's desktop at all times. So if there are correspondence that come through that need a media attention, we will be able to make sure that it gets sent out to either the board as a whole or the chair. Committee, sorry, I keep saying board. [1:27:21] Chris Gordon: For the adjust so for the presence on Election Day would that be an agenda item for the next meeting to? One [1:27:34] Britt Barton: of the items you'll want to consider is how do you want that presence to look. What type of information are you looking to gather? I'll certainly work with you Nicole. Sadly I won't be here on the 21st. I'll be on the west coast so that [1:27:56] Krista Clark: also be a good one to have the person who we were talking about bringing the institutional knowledge into this so I mean [1:28:07] Britt Barton: or is the committee as a whole or at least a quorum requesting that we reach out and have someone from a prior? Yeah that would be nice. All right so on the [1:28:21] Krista Clark: emotion and anything like and I understand that this will be part of the process of engaging the community in getting some feedback on you know what parts of this should be slashed that don't work that need to be rewritten that are great perfect keep you know don't change but if there's anyone that can speak to that going into this that would also be helpful so we can for the motion that we need [1:28:42] Nicole Hughes: to for the motion that we need to specify who it is in particular we'd like to reach out to or just [1:28:47] Britt Barton: so you can request a specific person you can request whoever we can get a hold of and is available which is something I would suggest they might run away I personally request like [1:28:59] Dominic Gintasio: Like, however many committee members we can, like... Whoever's available. Yeah, like, whoever, what amount to ever just have them here to, like, talk about how it went. [1:29:15] Jay Fulton: I'd like to make a motion that we ask for one or more representatives of the prior plan visit if they want to and just give us their information or perspectives on the prior process. Can I get a second? Second. Were [1:29:44] Rob Wood: there more people on the last committee than the five, six committee members that I see here? [1:29:52] Nicole Hughes: I noticed the list was very short as well. I thought so. [1:29:55] Britt Barton: So let's call for a vote, and then we'll discuss. Okay. All those in favor? All those opposed? So yeah, that's it. Those five you [1:30:16] Rob Wood: got minutes for this meeting because you're going to look at the film. Okay, are [1:30:27] Britt Barton: there any other items to discuss? Okay, [1:30:36] Nicole Hughes: so I'm just going to recap. I'm hearing an agenda shape could look like we'll leave space for public input in case anybody wants to come right away to speak to us. We will then have hopefully one or more members of the previous committee coming to speak to us, and then I think some time spent on outreach, specifically what using that opportunity of people coming to the polls in November could look like, but also maybe just a broader conversation about what would be our initial questions that we might be asking individuals, and then logistics around meeting date and time. Do you, would you [1:31:13] Britt Barton: also like to discuss subcommittee structures? Sounds [1:31:23] Jay Fulton: like a nice tool, but I'm not, I don't like, I don't have a specific idea for subcommittee at this time. Does somebody else? Definitely [1:31:32] Rob Wood: chapters that we have to address, but that's what I think, the parts of the book. Maybe. Yeah, but I think previous experience would be helpful to hear about where they get bogged down, [1:31:46] Dave McLaughlin: which one is, you just boil a plate like water when you spoke of water, and boy, that's, that's something we need to have as an agenda item. Just I also [1:31:59] Nicole Hughes: think that were we to determine that we do want to have a presence at the on voting day, a subcommittee would be a useful tool to use to actually mobilize that happening, prepare for and mobilize that actually happening. Sorry to be like [1:32:14] Dominic Gintasio: like a one-track mind, but I would like to like really hone in on transportation, so maybe we can make a subcommittee on that. I'm not proposing it like right now, but it's something we should do [1:32:29] Britt Barton: in the future. So some subcommittees that have been out there are for land use maps, certain types of data collection that you're looking for, so demographics, age, things like that. So some of those subcommittees are out there that have been used. Some [1:32:57] Dave McLaughlin: people will be natural leads. [1:33:00] Dominic Gintasio: It may have to be something we talked to about the previous committee then. [1:33:08] Nicole Hughes: I think getting a sense both of the content of what they put together, but how they put it. I'm most interested in how they put it together. Seeing the document printed out is very different, I feel, than seeing it just online. It's very comprehensive, so yes, a comp plan has a lot more data than people [1:33:23] Britt Barton: realize, so [1:33:26] Krista Clark: We have the just like a general question about just the structure of this committee and how these since I've never been on one here and how they work. So we have you know the chair the co-chair the secretary. What about when we get into talking about potential a bucket of money you know to allocate do we then establish an accountant no so type person so what would [1:33:54] Britt Barton: happen is if the committee as a whole it would need to be a decision as the committee as a whole if you need funds you would need to come to me as the town's treasurer because we hold that so you would need to make sure that we have those funds and that we can allocate them towards that. So the funds for this committee have been allocated through the TIF account so we can use those funds for this so it wouldn't depending on the size of the expenditure but realistically you would need to come to me and that is again, something we're going to want to talk about is what type of funds does this committee foresee that they will need for next year's budget? [1:34:50] Jay Fulton: That would be an excellent question if we could ask about a prior, somebody with prior experience. [1:34:56] Britt Barton: So it's prior, but it would also mean what type of outside assistance are you looking for? What type of consultation are you looking for? Because that is going to play into budget figures. [1:35:11] Krista Clark: When do you need that by for your 2027 we can be we can work together I'm not going to ask [1:35:19] Britt Barton: for it next week it's [1:35:26] Nicole Hughes: your meeting like we're ready to go it's eight o'clock so I second