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[0:00] Speaker A (unidentified): Yes sir. Okay. Approval of the agenda. Make a motion to approve the agenda as well.
[0:07] Speaker B (unidentified): move the second to approve the agenda any discussion call for a vote all in favor all
[0:12] Speaker C (unidentified): opposed minutes in the last meeting make a motion to approve the minutes of september 23rd
[0:19] Speaker B (unidentified): move the second to approve the september 23rd minutes any discussion over vote all in favor
[0:27] Speaker D (unidentified): all opposed administrator update just a couple things reminded of town hall town
[0:32] Town Clerk: clerk's office only it's closed tomorrow at the training in Chapley for in the fisheries and then we go to elections training at 6 o'clock for in Kennebunk so completely closed tomorrow code office planning board is on as scheduled and absentee voting starts next Tuesday we did get our ballots the mail yesterday today we process 5075 ending that we had for mail it's gonna be busy if you decide to vote next week bring your patience as well for me so
[1:07] Speaker B (unidentified): what board update Tom I don't have anything okay. Dave? No. John? I'm good. Okay. Right. Nothing. And... I'm the Heads Committee Chair, Transfer Station Superintendent. You're up.
[1:24] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Good afternoon. John, Transfer Station. Did some digging around to get some prices and some information on recycling tin and collapse. As far as the tin is concerned, right now we don't make any money off of that. we do we do pay a monthly fee for rental and the hauling cost so as an example last year for one year we spent $1,500 that's approximately six tons best that I could tell per year and like I said that sorry about that and if we I talked to Pete at Waste Management and they don't do anything with the tin. They don't recycle it or anything like that. It just goes with everything else that they've got in their landfill. And if we were to go to them, it would be about $1,900. So it's a little bit more expensive. So who's taking the tin now?
[2:35] Town Clerk: I'm sorry? Who's taking the tin now? Punsky, Chuck Punsky. And how much did you say they were spending? last year it was fifteen hundred dollars and waste management says may 19 december there 19.
[2:48] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: yeah he says he says really he's like his suggestion was to just put it in with the metal milk one of the reasons it's so expensive is because they're going to bring it they're going to pick it up bring it to rochester then they do a double handling and low volume which we have, so they have to bring it to another location. It just gets moved around, but it's not worth any money.
[3:14] Speaker G (unidentified): So the tin's not going into steel now? No. Yeah.
[3:18] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: It is? Oh, I'm sorry, it can be.
[3:21] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, I'm gonna deal with it.
[3:22] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: No, it's separated right now. As a matter of fact, we have a full container and Jim's picking it up in the next day or two. Wait, does he take it? I'm sorry?
[3:32] Speaker B (unidentified): Wait, does Jim take it? I don't know. We don't get paid anything when he takes it?
[3:39] Town Clerk: We put it in for the metal when we get paid for it.
[3:43] Speaker C (unidentified): Is this enough time now to talk about getting rid of that can? We're going to open the metal containers.
[3:52] Town Clerk: We're going to open the metal containers, the metal bits. So if anything, the amount they get is just going to be higher, right?
[3:59] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, the amount of steel they haul off would be higher. Yeah, I would think that Tim would always go yeah, I think so if you put it in with the steel
[4:06] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Does it get recycled with the speed? Yeah. Yeah, I don't it gets recycled with the steel, but I don't know that it has much
[4:17] Speaker B (unidentified): Recycled yeah, the belly is in the way, right? It's not costing us another camp, right? Right,
[4:22] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: It's a very low amount Six times that's a little bit high Yeah
[4:28] Town Clerk: that yeah so regardless of what happens with our metal that metal did we should
[4:33] Speaker B (unidentified): start putting it in with it put it in the metal and this makes the metal so
[4:36] Town Clerk: after he dumps this one can we just start putting it in with metal it's
[4:40] Speaker G (unidentified): just doing that yeah there's no sense of pain I think I said that last time how
[4:44] Speaker C (unidentified): many people I usually help it in the can myself the other day I put it up in the metal container after we talked about it how many people do that work or does everybody dump it in the shit that you guys take?
[5:00] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: We take it in the recycling center, so it's gonna be a little bit of an educational
[5:05] Speaker B (unidentified): learning curve. Maybe continue the way you are and just take it out and put it in the metal.
[5:09] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: We can, that's fine. But we have a lot of people that go the extra mile and they'll rinse the can and they'll take the labels off and things of that nature, which is not gonna be needed or required.
[5:19] Speaker B (unidentified): Let them still do it. It's still, let them still do it. but it still becomes clean metal. Mm-hmm. Yeah. OK.
[5:27] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: In regards to the recycling of black glass, currently. Recycling of what? Glass. Glass. Right. And I'm not talking about bottles of beer or wine and things of that nature that have a deposit. I'm talking about the other stuff, like Tabasco sauce or. Yeah, pickles. Yeah. And right now, all of that gets crushed and we put it into the demo container so there's no recycling done on any of those items that do not have a deposit on them. Waste management would help us out by providing us either a 20 or 30 yard container. Let's see, the container can weigh anywhere from 7 tons to 12 tons. As far as recycling of glass right now, all about 1.30. When I say right now, I'm talking about the country glass. The recycled part of it is about 1.3 of what everybody brings from the country.
[6:38] Town Clerk: So I missed something. If they give you a container, and what are they going to do with it different than where it's going in the demo now? Well, it's going in demo.
[6:46] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Now if they were going to take that, then they would charge, start charging us a rental fee for it, a tipping fee of $60, rental fee of 50, and per haul is $446.
[6:58] Town Clerk: With nothing coming back to the town.
[7:00] Speaker G (unidentified): No, we'd be put out.
[7:02] Speaker H (unidentified): Is it recyclable? Can you recycle glass?
[7:07] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: It can be, we would not be able to do it. It would go to waste management, they would do it.
[7:15] Speaker H (unidentified): What would they do with it?
[7:17] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: It depends on the quality of the glass. I would say like the one third that we're talking about, they can create more glass.
[7:29] Speaker H (unidentified): I guess the question...
[7:30] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: But the thing, just real quick, the thing is for the quality of the glass, it's not very good. You put it in fiberglass insulation, things of that nature.
[7:41] Speaker H (unidentified): So you can keep it from going back into the environment. It can be recycled. Which is the goal, right? Because of what it costs, that's the sort of the initial goal. It's to keep this stuff from ending up in landfills and other things. Is that right?
[7:57] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Yes, it is. And if you look at it, if you put a bottle of coke in the ground a thousand years,
[8:06] Speaker H (unidentified): it's still going to be there. Yes. Yeah. So if we had it recycled, it would go into other products? Yes.
[8:14] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Fiberglass, you mentioned? That's for low quality glass, low quality. My example is just someone mentioned they put it in
[8:21] Speaker B (unidentified): Rhodes who said that? Oh I did. Yeah, there's a number of different things depending upon, you said the shipping fee was how much? 60. Yes. What are we paying for MSW right now? It's 60 per ton. I'm sorry, what are we paying for MSW right now? It's the same. That's all the census. So we're paying more than 60 to get rid of that? No, I'm sorry, it's 90 per time. So right now, wait, there's a $30 savings. Mm-hmm, for a ton. So that would
[8:53] Speaker H (unidentified): be the way the MSW ends up in a landfill. Yes. Yeah. Okay, so does the demo
[8:58] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: everything which goes into a link, so this comes to you, talks this don't
[9:04] Speaker G (unidentified): start whatever you want to call it, you're talking how long is, I can, the 12 ton, it's gonna take a while to do that, right? Yeah, that's what makes it
[9:13] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Difficult to try to figure out how much we have because we just, it gets thrown in a container, it's crushed, and we just throw it away. So it's never been weighed. We don't know how much. It's going to weigh a lot. Oh, exactly. And that is one of the things that, like, they mentioned, if they provide us with a 30-yard container, we wouldn't be able to fill it because the glass is so heavy. And it would be just as well.
[9:38] Speaker G (unidentified): Oh, I've got a 20-yard container on that floor.
[9:40] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Yeah, that was the other one I mentioned.
[9:42] Speaker H (unidentified): So what would it cost to recycle the glass?
[9:47] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: I don't think I can give you an accurate number unless I can find out the tonnage.
[9:52] Town Clerk: But you don't have to because we're paying now to put it in the demo. So we're getting rid of it now at $90, and now we're only gonna pay 60.
[10:02] Speaker G (unidentified): So this dumpster that you're gonna get for just the glass, right? Right? You spend a $60 tip and feed, dah,, dah. But is there a monthly, you're gonna pay monthly on the dumpster also, right?
[10:13] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Yeah, the container monthly fee is $50.
[10:16] Speaker G (unidentified): $50 a month. So I figured you would have to, say it takes you a year to fill it, 12 ton, which you think it takes a lot of your life.
[10:25] Speaker C (unidentified): To get 12 tons. What was the haul on it?
[10:28] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: The haul is $446.25.
[10:31] Speaker H (unidentified): So it might be something less than a couple thousand of dollars a year in order to have this recycled properly.
[10:38] Speaker I (unidentified): And your demo will go down.
[10:39] Speaker H (unidentified): To me, that makes sense to do that.
[10:42] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah. It's going to cost you less fur-tipping to get rid of this glass versus getting rid of this demo.
[10:48] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: The only thing that we don't know is the container charge.
[10:52] Speaker C (unidentified): We've got an empty spot now. Oh, then you don't have it.
[10:54] Speaker G (unidentified): I thought you said it was 50 dollars a week for the container.
[10:56] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Yeah, 50 for the container feed.
[10:59] Speaker B (unidentified): Sometimes that's like 12. You know you're going to have that, so.
[11:02] Town Clerk: Can we ask Peter to put all the numbers in writing for the glass so the board can take a look at it? Yes, I'm sure.
[11:09] Speaker G (unidentified): And I'd really like to know, too, I hate to pay the extra to do it for them just to dump it in their landfill anyways. I'd like to know if it's really going to get out. I agree. You know, because, I mean, I could tell you it was going to get done and dump it in the landfill.
[11:24] Speaker B (unidentified): There's money on it, right? Well,
[11:26] Speaker H (unidentified): the goal here is to recycle. Right. Yes, so we don't want to, we don't want to see you going into a landfill. So what's it going to cost us for that to happen?
[11:42] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Together for us right next to you. Yes. I should be able to, the thing is I gotta, I gotta try to really figure out how much we use that we discard, that we throw away.
[11:54] Speaker B (unidentified): Just base it on a container full. You know, base it on 15.
[12:00] Town Clerk: Okay. But we don't need that so much as his numbers.
[12:02] Speaker G (unidentified): 10 to 11 yards of glass is what it's gonna be. Yeah.
[12:06] Speaker C (unidentified): Okay. If we can get a smaller container, 12 ton.
[12:12] Speaker B (unidentified): You may not want a smaller container only because you're gonna have to dump it more and it's 400 and some odd dollars every time it goes.
[12:19] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: And like we said, it's 7 to 12 tons per container.
[12:26] Speaker H (unidentified): So for the glass that doesn't have a refundable on it, they buy it in New Hampshire, what are you doing with that?
[12:33] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: That gets crushed and it goes to...
[12:36] Speaker B (unidentified): That would be part of this? Demo. That would be... It goes to waste management,
[12:39] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: and waste management just dumps it with the rest of the demo.
[12:45] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay. So what we want to do is... But that would become part of this program? Yeah.
[12:49] Speaker H (unidentified): Yeah. Our objective here is to, correct me if I'm wrong, our objective here is to recycle, and if there's a cost to doing that over putting it in the demo, I'd love to know what that is, and if it's reasonable, I would suggest we do that.
[13:09] Town Clerk: We just want to make sure if we take the time to put in that other container, it's getting recycled. We're not going to the same.
[13:13] Speaker H (unidentified): Yeah. Yeah. Right. Do we agree with that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the number one goal here is to recycle.
[13:21] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Yeah. Yeah. And this is an FYI, I spoke with someone at Northeastern Recycling Council. They're a group that looks at the 11 Northeastern states for recycling glass and state, they get some room for like Vermont, but 76% of their glass is recycled. So I'm waiting on some information from them to give me some more numbers and I guess it's a fairly new program so I don't know a whole lot about it. But I will get that information to you. Do you have a company?
[13:58] Speaker B (unidentified): I do. I haven't heard that from you.
[14:00] Town Clerk: I thought you had mentioned that. I'll do it tomorrow. I'll get you up. Okay.
[14:05] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Okay. And now we're off to the barriers for the retaining wall. I've got some quotes here and the first one is from the Dennis brief recast and what I did where I could I've got numbers for renting as well as purchasing I figured we needed about 37 feet of the barrier to block off where the demo container used to be with my paint wallets that is five I'm gonna
[14:37] Speaker D (unidentified): I don't know, is it five of them?
[14:40] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: It depends, some, like one company only does 10 foot. Okay. There's another company that does five or 10. Okay. So with Genesis, let's see, for 10 foot barriers for three of them, that would be $300 and that's it, I said per month.
[15:02] Speaker G (unidentified): Oh, rental, your rental.
[15:04] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Rental, yes.
[15:07] Speaker H (unidentified): So if we go forward with the renovation down there, how long are we going to need these barriers? Well,
[15:16] Speaker G (unidentified): I got an idea. All right, we're going to have to kill a bunch of those bolt blocks, right? Why don't we just use the bulk blocks to block it off, get them ahead of time and get them in? You don't have to pay for them twice. True. There you go, right. Well, we're gonna need them in anyways. Yeah, yep, no matter what. Where do they get seven? Well, I said I'll talk about that for now, just right now, okay, just to block it off. Yeah, then we don't have to worry about buying them at
[15:43] Speaker H (unidentified): all. Perfect idea. There you go. Those are right. Sound like a plan, John. I'm sorry, sound like a
[15:49] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: plan. Yeah, we're going to get one for many of these costs for you as far as purchasing or anything like that. Do you want the other costs that are like to purchase them versus renting? I don't
[16:00] Speaker B (unidentified): but I don't think we're going to need to do that.
[16:02] Speaker G (unidentified): We don't need the barriers at all because we're going to get the bulk blocks. We use the bulk blocks as your barrier. Okay. And then when done, put them in the ground and be done with it.
[16:10] Town Clerk: Okay. So the question of the board is, how soon do you want these barriers put up there in that area?
[16:15] Speaker H (unidentified): This is a safety issue, right? It is.
[16:17] Speaker B (unidentified): They should be put up, I guess, safety.
[16:19] Speaker G (unidentified): I guess the problem with the question is, well, when can you send somebody down for them? I don't want to put you on the spot. You can answer it later, but I mean.
[16:28] Speaker J (unidentified): I mean, I'll have an answer for you in the morning, if that's all right. In the meantime, actually, no, never mind. I was going to say, I have four Jersey Berriers down in the sand shed. If we need them right away. Well, then we'll do that. I just got to take the sander off the other one.
[16:45] Speaker G (unidentified): There's four of them down there. Yeah, they have to come back to the town? I'm sorry.
[16:48] Speaker J (unidentified): I'm sorry. They came and got one. They got to come back and get the other one. But I have four Jersey Berriers down there. Who owns them? Town.
[16:55] Speaker D (unidentified): We do. We do. We can do that too. We can just use those.
[16:59] Speaker B (unidentified): We can just do that. Especially if the sand isn't coming off them.
[17:02] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, because I remember I purchased four or five of them.
[17:04] Speaker J (unidentified): Yeah, there should be four down there. How long? How many? About a foot long.
[17:07] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Well, there you go. I did reach out to Will for some information and he helped me out with some contacts as far as getting quotes and things of that nature.
[17:17] Speaker G (unidentified): Yep. If we don't need to buy them, there's no such thing. No, exactly.
[17:20] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: That was my first question. Do we have any?
[17:23] Speaker G (unidentified): So, Will, can you get a hold of the individual old Santa? See if we can get that out of there so we can get those jersey berries he took one he's
[17:28] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: coming to get the other one. Yeah, okay, awesome, okay, and that's all I got. All right, okay, perfect.
Unfinished Business
[17:37] Speaker B (unidentified): Same guy one go, you could save guys, he couldn't get them all on the trailer. Oh, I see, okay. Any other department head commission? Okay, moving on old business. This is a fire department mannequin.
[17:54] Town Clerk: Last week you approved the purchase before shipping at $1,500. Based on the time difference between when he got the quotes and the availability of the model, it's actually 1610. So we're looking for an approval for the additional $110 before shipping.
[18:09] Speaker H (unidentified): I'll make a motion to approve the $110 addition to the mannequin purchase. Second.
[18:13] Speaker B (unidentified): Move to second it to approve the $110 increase to the mannequins. Any discussion? All for the vote, all in favor? All opposed? Sandra, bill of sale.
[18:25] Town Clerk: Sandra's bill of sale. Yeah, so this is all filled out. This is a bill of sale that the attorney drafted for us sometime ago for something else. I just replaced the name to Blaise Whitney for the $1,000 for the two four-wheel sanders. So just looking for signatures on the second page. It is paid in full.
[18:40] Speaker H (unidentified): How many, all of us?
[18:41] Town Clerk: Yes, because it's a town property. Kind of unrelated, but while you're signing that, and the boat was sold at the same time on a municipal bid, Our winning bidder has vanished. I mean, this bid has taken their steps to ban him from the site after their last effort to reach out to him. We've reached out to the person that was the second bidder. If that doesn't sort itself out by the end of the week, it'll be relisted.
[19:22] Speaker H (unidentified): And he was only $100 less? $100 off, yes, sir. Okay.
[19:28] Town Clerk: Capital plan. So updated from last week is the REC. The rec playground set was added, that was the only thing missing from last week. I sent you an email of the detailed packet. It's not necessarily the one that she wants, but she did meet with little types to look at the entire property and project. I was surprised the number came in originally somewhere around seventy one thousand dollars for the whole layout. There was shipping costs and there were additional outside costs which I'm guessing was groundwork and such. The bid was 108,000, it's just a placeholder for the capital plan but now that this includes installation yes it was everything okay so now essentially this document is complete based on your last workshop it's separated by 0 5 years 5 to 10 to 15 and then 15 and beyond like you had asked for so as we roll into the budget season just looking for some input on what you want to do next
[20:30] Speaker B (unidentified): I think we need a workshop. Yeah, I was going to say, are we happy with this, or do we want to have a workshop?
[20:39] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: We need a workshop with some priorities.
[20:41] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay. Would we have department heads there as well
[20:44] Speaker A (unidentified): to talk about these items?
[20:47] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, I think we could last time.
[20:49] Speaker H (unidentified): Maybe we could break it up and, you know, have the fire department in and talk about their items, and so people don't have to sit around the whole time. Okay.
[20:59] Speaker C (unidentified): Make sense? Yeah, I think we could last time.
[21:01] Speaker H (unidentified): And finance committee, of course, is welcome to join us.
[21:07] Town Clerk: And we're thinking that, so budgets, the department has started working on budgets over the next couple of months. You'll incorporate, if anything, into that budget, so we may put it off for a little while,
[21:18] Speaker H (unidentified): a few weeks before we have a workshop. By incorporate, you mean have a capital budget.
[21:22] Town Clerk: Yes, in this budget. Yes. Okay, so we'll get through a few more things and I'll get something scheduled. Okay.
[21:31] Speaker H (unidentified): We've got one engine. I was trying to sort this out with what he was saying last week, Wayne. I thought there were two. One for a million and one for $750. Did I get that wrong?
[21:43] Speaker G (unidentified): One was $675. It's what we call a mini-pumper. Yeah, the mini-pumper. Which would be like an F-550 chassis, smaller truck, kind of like the ambulance size truck.
[21:58] Speaker H (unidentified): Truck. So is that the one you were talking about rebuilding with a new frame? No, that would be
[22:03] Speaker C (unidentified): actual engine one. Engine one was the one he was talking about. Actually the one engine one
[22:08] Speaker B (unidentified): originally he had down at $700,000. Yeah. And now he's got it for a million.
[22:13] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay. Yes. All right.
[22:16] Town Clerk: So that number might have increased from your workshop because you guys went through and changed
[22:19] Speaker B (unidentified): a lot of things. Yeah. So and then he was talking last week about the mini pump. Yes. Right. Okay.
[22:27] Speaker C (unidentified): Not a direct reason. Right, not a direct reason.
[22:30] Speaker H (unidentified): Well, I guess we'll talk about it when he's in. Okay. All right.
[22:34] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay. Anything else on the capital plan?
[22:37] Speaker I (unidentified): Nope, we'll put this on the schedule.
[22:39] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay, concrete bid.
[22:41] Town Clerk: All right, so a few weeks ago we opened the concrete bid and we were trying to get them all on the same page. I remember we talked last week about the three bids, and one of them had put in for rebar. So we gave him a call and allowed him the opportunity to do the wire mesh like the other two bids. So you now, you have, so you have Lane Pair at eleven thousand seven hundred and sixty. Pat Stevens was at eighty hundred three bar. He's lowered it to seventy three hundred, and then you have La Verde Construction at sixty four nine. This is just a square concrete pad, that's all. They're all wire mesh 4x4. Approximately eighth inch thick, the psi, they both said that they could do 3,000 or 5,000, no different. They all said that no difference in price, could all do within two weeks, finish brush with saw cuts, finish brush with pockets. So they're all now the same.
[23:46] Speaker H (unidentified): Same spec? Right. And the two lowest were how much?
[23:52] Town Clerk: $6490 and $7300. $900.
[24:02] Speaker A (unidentified): Do you know these folks? I know two of them. You do?
[24:08] Town Clerk: So one of them we do have, and we all know by in-house references that Pat Stevens, the low bidder, did have a conversation with the man's property and act, and he has a long list of business.
[24:21] Speaker D (unidentified): He's been in business for a while.
[24:23] Town Clerk: Yes, he has a long list of business references in New Hampshire and Massachusetts. It's almost a thousand bucks. Yeah.
[24:28] Speaker H (unidentified): So, I mean. Any reason not to select him?
[24:30] Speaker G (unidentified): I don't, I mean, it's a concrete pad.
[24:32] Speaker H (unidentified): Yeah, it's very, yeah.
[24:34] Speaker B (unidentified): What would you go with, Dave, as far as the 5,000 or the?
[24:38] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, yeah, if it's the same money, I'm telling you, let's go with the iron part. Go with the iron part. Yes, iron.
[24:44] Town Clerk: So I guess, do we, before, and you're going to award this, but do we have the money in the budget for this? Is this something we're doing right off, or was this part of the whole project?
[24:52] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, no, we've got our contingency anyway, so we have to do this. It's a safety problem. To put the container on. So we have to do it. So that's what we have.
[25:00] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, to put those, to put the blocks on, put this down, put the blocks on, then the containers can go back. And then that whole area was done.
[25:09] Speaker G (unidentified): Does John, does he have, how far are we from the season?
[25:14] Speaker D (unidentified): And we also have, I don't know. Just a few months.
[25:16] Speaker G (unidentified): Go through his budget and see if there's any money to, you know, for special projects that he may have had that he doesn't really absolutely need to do. I don't know what he had.
[25:24] Town Clerk: And remember we have the prep work that we got the estimate from the room commissioner as well.
[25:29] Speaker B (unidentified): That's like 23,000 I think for. Yeah. Is that something I know?
[25:32] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah. So 23 or 40.
[25:34] Town Clerk: We're going to be at 30,000 quickly.
[25:35] Speaker G (unidentified): Quickly, 40,000. The wall's gonna get done anyways, you know. We don't have that six, seven
[25:43] Speaker H (unidentified): thousand in a contingency that was like thirty, fifty thousand, fifty thousand I guess.
[25:49] Speaker D (unidentified): But it's early in the year, but yeah, but we didn't touch last year's, right? I know, we, you know, if it's
[25:54] Speaker G (unidentified): an emergency, it's a safety. Well, we've got a special town meeting coming up right now, don't we? Yes. Possibly. Possibly. Yeah. Okay. So. Put it in the agenda. We can throw a word on that if you're worried about it. I think probably what we ought to do is go through John's budget and see if there's any place we can squeeze. I don't imagine there is. I mean, your budget's pretty tight as it is, but see what we got there and what are we aware of that we got another half. Yeah, we got quite a while on our budget here. So yeah, we burn up our contingency probably because you're kind of silly, right? But yeah,
[26:29] Town Clerk: the flip side of that is if it doesn't, you know, if it doesn't pass, I mean, you've got a wall falling
[26:35] Speaker G (unidentified): in, you know, we're gonna have to do something. If it doesn't pass, then what you do is you leave the barriers up, just don't do it, just don't put the container in the container off in the, we don't want to do that John, but just saying it doesn't matter when you get the money, we
[26:48] Speaker D (unidentified): can't do it better than spending that much, but you can make it safe. Yes, we can make it safe.
[26:52] Speaker H (unidentified): I didn't put it to the voters, but I'm letting them decide.
[26:57] Town Clerk: So the, we're going to talk about the special time meeting, but the finance committee is meeting on October 8th, so.
[27:02] Speaker H (unidentified): So is La Verde?
[27:04] Town Clerk: Yeah, if we make a motion contingent on the approval of the special time meeting. Okay.
[27:10] Speaker H (unidentified): I'll make a motion to approve letting of a contract for $6,490 to La Verde Construction for constructing a cement pad down at the transfer station. Contingent upon approval by the voters that have special town meeting.
[27:32] Speaker B (unidentified): I'll second that. Move to second it to go with 6490 for La Verde construction before the pad. Any further discussion? Call for a vote, all in favor? [Speaker A (unidentified): All opposed, okay.] Okay. Subingo Design and Engineering Service.
[27:52] Town Clerk: So last week I gave you one of these to review. How did it go? I made you fresh coffee today. You know, they don't see it all the same today. So at the end of the day, we just, and I did make some for the finance committee.
[28:15] Speaker D (unidentified): Why do I feel like it's missing the data?
[28:19] Town Clerk: We have to go by Tom and John's because this two-sided didn't do the important days of the number, so I'll send it to the Finance Committee. What was the so on the second page? How much was it, Tom? Don't look at your copy because it's a missing page, Jim. Oh yeah.
[28:33] Speaker D (unidentified): How much was it? Five pages.
[28:40] Town Clerk: So page four, so it was $29,662.50. This was for the design, the schematic design, the final design, and the construction documents and bidding services. So this is to make, to basically create the plan to make the handicap parking lot accessible, ADA, and the Veterans Memorial, correct?
[29:02] Speaker G (unidentified): Correct. This is redo the whole parking lot.
[29:05] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah. Do we want to put this on the special time meeting?
[29:08] Speaker H (unidentified): Has anyone talked to them about what their thoughts are about how to do this?
[29:13] Speaker A (unidentified): What they will do. What's that? What they will end up doing,
[29:20] Speaker H (unidentified): how they will make this handicap accessible.
[29:24] Speaker G (unidentified): So what we did was I went over with the engineer,
[29:28] Town Clerk: what was his name? Jason Taylor, Chris Taylor. Chris Taylor. Chris Taylor.
[29:32] Speaker G (unidentified): And John was with us. And my idea was to him, because you have to elevate everything out there. It's gotta come up to make it flat enough to get the ADA, whatever, ADA. And so what the plan was, we're good, this is what basically proposed was we're gonna get rid of the entrance over here, okay, and have the entrance coming down below, and they're talking about putting a retainer wall or something in there, and bring that whole thing up, so this whole area will actually be parking area, yeah, and gradually coming up through, so you only got one entrance instead of having this wide open area. At the same time, I told him to put some stuff in there, some vegetation, all that. Because we have to have islands because our ordinance says we do. And yeah, so that's as far as I know. That was, and he thought that was a good idea because it was the only way we were going to get the parking lot flat enough to be able to make the pocket areas up there.
[30:39] Speaker B (unidentified): So the entrance, is that going to be on the other side?
[30:41] Speaker G (unidentified): So the entrance would be on the, yes, Yeah, it's coming in from the bottom.
[30:45] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, just after the corner.
[30:46] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, it's kind of like what I think we told them. Remember when you had RD outdoors? That's kind of where they brought it in too, but we never addressed this part of the parking lot. And the only way we're going to get our percentages is by elevating that. The only way we elevate that is get rid of that entrance. And I think at the same time that will, we can kind of put those two projects together. Other, I told them to make sure that we make the parking lot land with the memorial and all that. And so yeah, so that's, it's gonna be quite a project. The memorial will stay where it is, you think, as of right now, as of right now, as of right now. Yeah, there's still be a slope out there, it'll just be compliant. Has the church been contacted about this? No, we haven't contacted because honestly, we're going to stop right at our property line anyway, so we're not going to affect them, right? They're still going to have their entrance and everything, but anything beyond, I mean, we talked to him, I mean, I think right now what we ought to do is get some plans first before we go too far ahead. But as of right now, that's, that's the only solution right now.
[31:54] Town Clerk: I mean, you could, so when you look at the breakdown scope of services, the for the somatic design, I mean, there's six or seven steps there. I mean, that design is 50 250. We could probably, if you, If you wanted, we could just do that and see where we're at and take that to the, you know, you don't necessarily have, because we've done that before with some of their services.
[32:13] Speaker H (unidentified): We've done, of course we've done it. So is this a preliminary design?
[32:15] Speaker C (unidentified): No, just to get a base idea.
[32:18] Town Clerk: Yeah. I mean, there's the next step, the final design and construction documents.
[32:22] Speaker H (unidentified): I would definitely have one. That's ETF housing.
[32:24] Town Clerk: Yeah, I would do that. I mean, I don't know if you want to do one.
[32:27] Speaker D (unidentified): It doesn't have to have a lot of time.
[32:28] Speaker A (unidentified): They're going to have to go through the process anyway.
[32:29] Speaker G (unidentified): We could make some changes at that point if we had to. Yeah. Or it's actually, you know, it's actually a bad idea.
[32:36] Town Clerk: I mean, you might have enough of the schematic design to have a public hearing to decide something that, you know, that they want to do.
[32:42] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, if we could break it apart like that, 's what we do.
[32:47] Speaker H (unidentified): So, did we put this on the special accounting as well?
[32:50] Speaker B (unidentified): That was, how much money?
[32:51] Town Clerk: Well, just the design is 52.50. The entire project, including the bidding services, goes all the way down to 29.662.
[33:01] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah. That's putting a little bit for us and everything, overseeing the project. Well, that's probably not overseeing the project.
[33:07] Speaker H (unidentified): That doesn't cover the construction. No, right, nothing to do with construction. Oh, it's just, okay.
[33:12] Town Clerk: It says coordinate the submittal of certain patients' bonds required to start the project.
[33:16] Speaker D (unidentified): Is that an example of that?
[33:25] Speaker H (unidentified): I think we'll need an estimate of what the total cost will be in order to take it to the town.
[33:31] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, what will happen is we get the preliminary, we look at see if this is something we want to do, and all the way you're gonna get a cost on it. So if you actually have a final design that somebody can give you a number on 18 so.
[33:45] Speaker D (unidentified): That's not 18 five, yeah, 18,000. So wait, I think what we got to do is do a
[33:52] Speaker G (unidentified): preliminary and then come to the town says this is what you want continue on with, and at that point we're stuck in a rock-and-hard place here because the state saying we have to fix our parking lot. So we fix the parking lot, we build a new building somewhere, you know, I mean, we can figure out which one is cheaper.
[34:10] Town Clerk: We don't want to do that. So I mean, we could cover this, probably cover the just the design, the 5250, and stop there, see what that looks like, and then that's
[34:22] Speaker H (unidentified): what would you have with a public hearing at that point after? Yeah, after
[34:25] Speaker D (unidentified): got the design and talk to the voters. Yeah, because we don't want to continue on, it's not going to go
[34:31] Speaker G (unidentified): anywhere. That's kind of what we did last time, remember we had a public hearing. Yeah, all that preliminary one that he does, right, even on the right, the repair. Yeah, I'm talking about the parking lot, remember last time. Yeah, right, same exact thing, and when they said no we don't
[34:44] Speaker D (unidentified): want that, we didn't do it. So I mean, that design based on this is going to get us quite a bit
[34:49] Speaker B (unidentified): for the 5,000. Yeah, I think that's the best way to go.
[34:55] Speaker H (unidentified): Typically you can get an estimate based on a preliminary design. I'm sure we can get something. I think you can probably get before there's a range, you ought to be able to get an
[35:10] Speaker B (unidentified): estimate, you know. Okay, let's let's vote on what we want to make a motion, make a
[35:19] Speaker G (unidentified): motion, make a motion on what you want to do. Motion to make a motion to give Sebago the authority to make a preliminary design for the parking lot for 5250. Is that right? Yeah, 5250, 5200 $50. We hear a second. Okay.
[35:51] Speaker B (unidentified): Moving seconded to allow or to tie us a bagel to do a preliminary design for 5250 for the pack a lot. Any further discussion? If I can just add it and I
[36:03] Town Clerk: My only concern then, I notice on the next line, it says there's a reimbursement expense line of 5% of the estimated budget for travel. So if we could just make that motion include not to exceed it under 10%. Just in case they come down or bill us for something outside of that, I don't want to be stuck on that 5250.
[36:22] Speaker G (unidentified): To amend my motion to add 10% for travel costs if needed.
[36:28] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay. So we have a motion. We have it seconded in the app. Any discussion? Okay, call for a vote. All in favor? All opposed?
[36:40] Speaker H (unidentified): Sounds good. Just to reiterate, this is something we have to do. I don't see any way around it. Our state has already given us formal notice.
[36:49] Speaker B (unidentified): Yes. Several years ago, I think.
[36:51] Speaker H (unidentified): They won't allow us to have elections here. Is that right?
[36:54] Town Clerk: Right. It's the wheelchair access to come in on the slope is what they're concerned.
[36:59] Speaker H (unidentified): And it's not just for elections. So it would even be for this. Yes, any meetings here you're going to need that kind of access.
[37:06] Town Clerk: We were, I think that's a group surprise that the cemetery monument over there when we got legal opinion had to be ADA compliant if we started working on it. Yeah, that's and that's one reason
[37:23] Speaker G (unidentified): why it's not done because, yeah, we didn't realize that if they'd gone and just done a couple things would have been a problem, but because we went so far that it turned into another animal. And when it was brought to our attention because we looked into it and now because it, I guess it was probably done quick enough nobody would ever say, we probably never known about it, but now that's the way those things work. That's okay. So that's why it's not done. We're working
[37:52] Speaker D (unidentified): So we're working on it now. Okay. It's
[38:04] Town Clerk: a place for signatures, all right.
[38:19] Speaker H (unidentified): My pen keeps running dry here.
[38:22] Speaker J (unidentified): I don't know what it is. Are
[38:45] Speaker H (unidentified): these copies not good? Yeah, they're good. Okay,
New Business
[38:54] Speaker B (unidentified): new business. Special town meeting.
[38:58] Town Clerk: So I had prepared a warrant for one article to amend the, I sent you one, two, three, five hard copies of them so then we'll get this to the Finance Committee as well and make some extra copies. This is the buyer's representation agreement with Better Homes and Garden for the piece of land over here you guys talked about last week. I did speak to the agent and he indicated he spoke to the seller and they would allow us contracts is 30 to 45 days contingent on a special time meeting they will hold it if we signed and agreed. I'd like to have Bill look over this for us just to ensure last time you authorized him to sign when we did the Young's Ridge work he signed on behalf of the town. So what just everything the agreement he signed that the buyers agreement he signed you know and took care of the escrow payment for us and brought us all the way up to the closing. He signed the closing documents as well in the end. Okay. I mean, you can certainly make it one of you if you'd like, but I need somebody to review this.
[40:11] Speaker B (unidentified): We'll probably all review it, but Joe, I think it's a good choice. Yeah.
[40:17] Speaker H (unidentified): So we're gonna add a phase one environmental study in here?
[40:20] Town Clerk: As we started to talk about that a little bit, yeah, you want to give a little more information on that and you think we can get it done in time?
[40:26] Speaker H (unidentified): It's been my experience when you're buying property and you don't know how it's been used, if there's an environmental issue on the property, when you buy it you own it, you're now liable for that. And so typically you could do a phase one environmental study that doesn't involve any imploring or anything like that. They go back and look at records on the property and find out what kind of use there's been on the property, where there's been, you know, diesel storage or whatever it might be. So I was just doing a quick search on the web and it looked like I was around $2,500 to have it done. I think that personally I was involved in a gift that wound up not being a gift because there was an environmental issue and we got stuck with all the liability on it. So I don't think there's anything on this property, it sounds like it's virgin land, but it's worthwhile doing. Okay.
[41:32] Town Clerk: And you were going to give us a company you thought would be, I'll find a company or two that
[41:37] Speaker B (unidentified): will do it and we'll go from there. Yeah, that's a very good idea to have done. Okay, I mean, Dave, our resident long-term, well, don't remember seeing anything, I've never seen anything,
[41:53] Speaker G (unidentified): anything. They have a little fish pond, old fish were pretty big, back to the
[42:00] Speaker H (unidentified): code office idea many years. Why don't you have Dave take a look through the code records, you know, the office files down there, see if he's got anything on
[42:12] Town Clerk: on the property. So if he doesn't, so I guess my no, I think we want the study
[42:16] Speaker H (unidentified): done so we have, you know, otherwise I think this blows up in their face.
[42:20] Town Clerk: So we'll contact the company tomorrow that was just, we're gonna find out how quickly they can do it. So we have 45 days based on the seller and that's just going to affect the special time we need to go on finance. I mean, I think they can
[42:34] Speaker H (unidentified): do this in a few days, but it would be stated as a contingency. Okay, yeah, that we, if there was a problem with the environmental study, that could cause us to back out of the purchase just like any other convenience. Jennifer
[42:52] Speaker B (unidentified): and I talked to code enforcement today and it looks like there's a, there's a good buildable envelope in the in it if whatever we want to do in the future. So it's a good piece of property as far as today's rules or rights. So do you need a motion or anything for environmental study?
[43:12] Town Clerk: So a motion to authorize Mr. Wachowski, yes, because he's going to sign and get this moving tomorrow.
[43:17] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay, $3,000 on it. Make a motion that we engage an environmental consultant to do a phase one study on the property, whichever that number is, for an amount
[43:32] Speaker B (unidentified): not to exceed three thousand dollars and to authorize, oh yeah, is that right, and then forward on signing this tomorrow. Yeah, okay, second. Move the second is as stated, I won't bother repeating all that. We'll follow up with the property. Any further discussion we're going to have from the public? Well, we could, sure, anyone from the public have any input? Going once, going twice. Is this the land right over there? Yes, right on the corner over here, just went on the market last week, the one right on one of them, yeah, right now where the buildings were when they did the road work. No, we're already on the corner. Yeah, the opposite corner, gotcha. Yeah, so it's
[44:27] Town Clerk: So it's 4.3 acres, 199,000.
[44:29] Speaker I (unidentified): Yeah. The cost for the.
[44:32] Speaker G (unidentified): It's only, I think, 40 feet short of making two house off the roof range. Yeah.
[44:38] Town Clerk: For the draft war, is it safe to assume, we take a watch on safety, do you want this at an unassigned fund balance or raise and appropriate?
[44:47] Speaker H (unidentified): Unassigned fund balance, I would say. [Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah,.] That's how I have it. The tax rate's been set, so.
[44:55] Town Clerk: Well, it would be the following way.
[44:56] Speaker H (unidentified): Yeah, I would just do unexigned fund balance, and, you know, Joe may also, if you're contacting Joe, he'll know one of these firms. Okay. Find out who he works with. He may have somebody that he could deal with. He has any questions about having to give me a call. Okay, perfect.
[45:14] Town Clerk: So the Finance Committee, I knew you had a motion on the floor. The Finance Committee has agreed to meet next week through 8 because they understood the 45-day timeline that we have. That's as long as the cell is willing to hold it. So we can talk to that when they're here, but we can talk to them about those two contingencies that we have on there as well.
[45:34] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay. And I want to thank them for their willing to work with us on this, you know, this could have swept away on us.
[45:45] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay, I'm going to call for a vote. All in favor? All opposed? On the motion. Scrap metal bid all
[46:01] Town Clerk: Right, so ton of accidents seeking proposals for the removal of scrap metal from the town transfer station located at 1007 H Road. All events submitted should include the dumpster hauling and a detailed cost and revenue analysis for the town. Total tons for 25 26 was 130 pounds. We got two CIA Salvage of the Limerick, so CIA Salvage will provide one 30 or 40 yard roll-off container to the town of Acton at fifty dollars a month. CIA Salvage will haul metal filled containers at a rate of two hundred dollars per haul. They will pay the town of Acton, I'm I'm assuming it's no less than $85 per ton, the current price. Well, it says CIA Salvage will pay the town of Acton less than $85.
[47:08] Speaker C (unidentified): Less than $85. Less than $85.
[47:11] Town Clerk: Containers will not be hauled on weekends or holidays. Based on current hauls of 30 yards per load, the rate would be $6,000. Cost for the container per year would be $600. Based on current leads of metal, 11,500 profit to town is estimated at 4,450 dollars. They took those two less than that.
[47:36] Speaker H (unidentified): So it's interesting, it's less than.
[47:40] Speaker B (unidentified): So it should be no less than.
[47:42] Town Clerk: Well that's what I said. It looks like a typo. Yeah, I agree, no less than 85.
[47:46] Speaker G (unidentified): So before we move to the next one, I have questions. Yeah. So he's charging, they're gonna charge this to Holland.
[47:53] Town Clerk: Hauling right which is where he came up with the 6,000 and then the cost for the container per year I'm sorry let's back up cost of the container per year is 600 that's the 12 times 50 right $200 and then the current hauls of 30 per year the rate would be 6,000, and then based on the weight that we told him, 130 ton, times 85, is that where he's coming up with 11,060?
[48:28] Speaker G (unidentified): If they stick with no less than 85, yeah.
[48:30] Town Clerk: So, 130 times 85, exactly, 11,500 here. So he's taking the profit of 11,500, subtracting the haul and the cost of the container. Okay. To give us a process.
[48:41] Speaker H (unidentified): You know, there's no basis that he's citing for the pricing of how much he's willing to pay per ton. Whatever number he chooses.
[48:52] Town Clerk: Well, I think he's saying no less than 85, based on the current prices. So.
[48:57] Speaker H (unidentified): Yeah, but, well, what's, is there an index out there? It changes every week. Well, is it a published index?
[49:08] Town Clerk: I mean, most places publish what they pay, but I don't know if it's.
[49:12] Speaker B (unidentified): Scrap irons hold. Light metal is 125 a ton right now. That's a light. Yeah, which this is light because it's a mixed.
[49:25] Town Clerk: Let's open the other one. We can follow up with questions. So the second one is from Punsky's. All right, so Punsky's scrap iron metal will provide one 50-yard container for scrap, $400 hauling fee, $2 per day rental paying $70 per gross ton price subject to change due to market prices. Tin cans are not allowed in metal container. No hazardous material accepted. If found a container they will be returned to the transfer station. So we've got a $400 hauling fee compared to a $200 hauling fee. They have a $2 per day rental fee, and then we had a $50 per month, so 60 versus 50, paying $70 per gross ton, so we really need to figure out if this is no less than 85 per ton. That's a big difference between the three. So we'll get some clarification and revisit this.
[50:42] Speaker H (unidentified): How many places did we send it to?
[50:46] Town Clerk: We sent it to Berwick Iron and Metal, Lambert's Auto and Truck Recycling, Punsky's Iron and Metal, CIA, Shipyard Waste, and Elliott, we ran it in the newspaper and also in the Red Sun.
[50:57] Speaker G (unidentified): See, I think they made it a little more difficult than they had to. Really, all they had to do was put, I'm gonna give you $40 a ton, exclude all the hauling charges, and this is what you're gonna make. Yeah,. That's all they had to do. It was a lot easier. That's why I don't wanna make it difficult.
[51:14] Speaker C (unidentified): but if CIA is also going to say no tin cans, then that leaves us.
[51:22] Town Clerk: Yeah, but they didn't. There's a place for a signature. No, they didn't say that.
[51:26] Speaker C (unidentified): They may say it afterwards.
[51:27] Speaker G (unidentified): Did somebody say something about tin cans?
[51:28] Town Clerk: Yeah, Punsky says tin cans are not allowed in a metal container, which is what we essentially just got done telling John to do.
[51:36] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, maybe don't do it until we figure out what we're allowed to do.
[51:39] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: Yeah. Well, we can put it in, I can double check.
[51:42] Town Clerk: Let's just say that, just don't change anything for now. All right, well the metal was going to where?
[51:49] Speaker D (unidentified): Into the waste management.
[51:51] Town Clerk: All right, well we were moving the tin to waste management on the Punskys.
[51:56] Speaker A (unidentified): No,, no, we talked about putting the tin,
[51:58] Speaker G (unidentified): no, the glass, we're talking about putting the tin in the steel, there, right?
[52:03] Town Clerk: Right, but the metal is going to waste management.
[52:06] John, Transfer Station Superintendent: No,. No, it's going to, okay, it's fine. We talked about putting the tin in with the metal.
[52:13] Speaker H (unidentified): Did you talk to him about doing that?
[52:14] Speaker G (unidentified): I was confused. I'm sorry. When you said tin, I didn't realize you were talking about tin cans. I thought you were talking about tin on stoves and stuff like that.
[52:24] Town Clerk: So no changes until we sort this out.
[52:30] Speaker H (unidentified): All right. If the instructions ask them to do it on a net basis,
[52:37] Speaker A (unidentified): which is really interesting.
[52:38] Speaker H (unidentified): Just give us the net amount per ton that you're willing to pay for. To pay for it, yeah. Why not go back to them and ask them to report it that way?
[52:50] Speaker G (unidentified): I mean, you could figure it out that way. That's what we asked for.
[52:53] Speaker H (unidentified): Well, there's too many variables in here.
[52:56] Town Clerk: Well, no, I mean, in their defense, all bids submitted should include the cost of a dumpster, the hauling, and a detailed cost and revenue. So they did do what we asked them to do.
[53:36] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah. Any more of the scrap metal? Yeah, that's a big difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nope, that's all I have. As long as we're not paying to get rid of steel, that's all I care about. Exactly. We've been paying to get rid of it. So, yep. Okay. Okay. Next meeting. Sam's in.
[53:56] Town Clerk: All right, this one went to Carol, Curtis, Dayton, Landscapers, McCoy, Mountain, Quick Creek, Pepping. We got two back. Two.
[54:10] Speaker G (unidentified): That was supposed to be good.
[54:12] Speaker H (unidentified): I guess so. Yep.
[54:16] Speaker D (unidentified): And this runs the same way.
[54:20] Town Clerk: So this one has the actual form in there, right? All right. Seth, what are we paying now?
[54:33] Speaker J (unidentified): I got it for I think 10 or 11 last year. 10.50 I thought.
[54:37] Town Clerk: All right, Seth McGaughy Trucking has quoted you at $16.75 per yard.
[54:43] Speaker J (unidentified): Same as last year.
[54:47] Town Clerk: And he does say that weekends and outside hours are fine. Did he say anything? Curtis Earthworks, $15.19 per yard. Those
[55:11] Speaker A (unidentified): are the two we got. What was it last year?
[55:14] Speaker G (unidentified): You said $10 or $11?
[55:15] Speaker J (unidentified): I was at $10 or $11 last year. Who did that bid? Last year was Curtis is the one who got it.
[55:21] Speaker D (unidentified): right because you had the sifting issue yeah right and you 've talked to him about that
[55:27] Speaker J (unidentified): I, yeah, I did last year, but I'm gonna have to remind him, reiterate. Yeah, I'll, I'll have an
[55:34] Speaker G (unidentified): answer for you next week. So those numbers are right where they need. Well, I mean, actually, that's cheap because, I mean, I pay almost hat in the pit for the same, you know, in some places we pay 12, 13 dollars a yard for that stuff, and yeah, so having a haul and we're not too far off. Okay, so we'll
[55:50] Town Clerk: table this time next week when you make a recommendation. I'd say we're going to do what
[55:53] Speaker G (unidentified): we don't want to do, go see him, have our road commissioner go with sandwiches. Yeah, what do you make his recommendation, go look at it and see what you want, make sure that are a little better there, doesn't have the 3-h rocket like you did last year. Yeah, I'll have an answer next week.
[56:09] Speaker B (unidentified): Cool, I'm good. Okay, next item 229-046, that's on the H Road, I believe this is the third
[56:20] Town Clerk: 39-acre lot on H Road, almost a little diagonal from the campground. You asking that on there? I did.
[56:28] Speaker B (unidentified): I did. We've had this property for probably 10 years. We acquired it from Tax Lien. I don't remember the specifics on it, but it wasn't paid for. How many acres? Yeah, and it's down here on the H Road. So you know if you go less than a quarter mile down here, you go down the dip and there's a pond on the left. This property is on the right. It goes from almost the top of the hill and you go down to three-quarters of way up the other side. It's a 39-acre lot that goes in and behind the other two houses on the right. I don't know, I just, we've been sitting on it for ten plus years. I think it's time to maybe think about selling it. Yeah, you know, I don't see us doing anything with it. It's sloped, it has, it does have some wetlands on it. There is a small building envelope on it compared to the 39 acres, because a lot of it does have a buffer for the wetlands.
[57:34] Speaker A (unidentified): So, what's the thought?
[57:35] Speaker H (unidentified): That slope that you have where it goes down that hill, does that go out into the property or is it flattened out?
[57:42] Speaker B (unidentified): I don't know what it does out back there.
[57:44] Speaker G (unidentified): I think it goes like that.
[57:45] Speaker B (unidentified): I think it's, yeah, I think it's kind of a sloped area.
[57:49] Speaker G (unidentified): I believe that drains out all the way into the swamp down there on Goose Ponds.
[57:56] Speaker J (unidentified): Well, am I right? Yeah, that goes right down. That goes all the way through.
[58:00] Speaker H (unidentified): Would that make it a challenging building lot? Yeah, probably. With the entire slot, the slope on it? I would think so.
[58:07] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, but as other lots get bought up, it might be.
[58:12] Speaker H (unidentified): Well, it'd be good to get it back on the tax.
[58:14] Speaker B (unidentified): It would be, yeah, even if it's, yeah. So what's the thought on the board?
[58:20] Speaker H (unidentified): I think we should probably have it appraised and consider putting it on the market.
[58:25] Speaker G (unidentified): We can put a minimum bid on it.
[58:27] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't think we'll do anything with it.
[58:30] Speaker D (unidentified): So. Just a consideration would be?
[58:32] Speaker G (unidentified): A minimum bid, like a lot, like when we do a medicine bid, you can put a minimum bid of, say, $50,000, $60,000.
[58:39] Speaker H (unidentified): You wouldn't list it with a real estate agent? No.
[58:43] Speaker G (unidentified): I don't know. How do we do the one over there on West Shore Drive?
[58:51] Town Clerk: We just saved the money from the agents. We just sealed bid. And then we had an attorney draft it, you know, do the closing and everything.
[58:59] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah. Question from the audience. Conservation. I don't know if they'd be interested in it or not.
[59:05] Speaker G (unidentified): It so but we have Goat Hill and all of a sudden people hybo we got the old town farm yeah
[59:16] Speaker H (unidentified): Well I think we need an appraisal to get to figure this out yeah okay
[59:22] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah it doesn't mean we have to do it no it's a good idea thank you I thought we should
[59:28] Speaker G (unidentified): Move it forward. Yeah, I mean, we could look at the, you know, maybe put it on. I never thought of it. I should put it on with a real estate agent. No, anything we do, we put it on a sealed bid.
[59:36] Speaker B (unidentified): I think there was some rules that just changed in the last few years that we can do that.
[59:40] Town Clerk: We can, I mean, I get that we can. Let me, I'll talk to our attorney. I mean, the issue too with a lot of these small towns that do that is picking the real estate agent. Right.
[59:49] Speaker D (unidentified): I mean, every other person, not all of them, is an agent.
[59:52] Town Clerk: We probably have, you know, 20 or everything of them at the top of their head been acting. Well, let's set a bit and see what happens. It's one thing if you didn't get any bids or you wanted to list it to get it out there, but I think it's going to sell if we're going to do that.
[1:00:06] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, if we have an appraiser, we can put a bit on the wallet and go from there. Yep. That's what I'm doing. Okay.
[1:00:12] Speaker B (unidentified): Sounds good. Freedom of information request. All right.
[1:00:16] Town Clerk: Just to add this, just so we can get it done quickly for them, this comes from Roland Waterhouse looking for a request, current balances of all municipal funds held at Partners Bank and TD Bank.
[1:00:29] Speaker C (unidentified): Okay. Okay, very good, and
[1:00:35] Speaker B (unidentified): we don't need to vote on that?
[1:00:36] Town Clerk: Nope, just FYI. FYI. Okay, pending. Policies, mass gathering ordinance. I did ask, I'm going to make a decision, but mass gathering, our goal with that is to get it on the April warrant, correct? Just so I can kind of in my head, figure out times. I believe so. Yep. All right, so pending projects, I know we can do anything with all that rain, and then the parking lot and memorial. So I'm good to take.
[1:01:01] Speaker C (unidentified): Okay, good. I didn't see the three loads of reclaim down there.
[1:01:06] Speaker G (unidentified): I want to try to go spur this weekend. I was going to do it this last weekend, but rain and crappy and I want to go up and play and make it mud.
[1:01:12] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, that's wonderful.
[1:01:18] Speaker B (unidentified): That's a lot more than we had before, right?
[1:01:20] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, four or three loads of that thing.
[1:01:21] Speaker B (unidentified): It's four. It might be four. I didn't see a dump truck in here last Saturday.
[1:01:25] Speaker C (unidentified): I thought I saw it first.
[1:01:27] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, they told us three, but I wouldn't bring it. And I know there's more to the court. Yeah. That's great.
[1:01:34] Speaker B (unidentified): Public comment? Anyone from the public? You got a question? Yeah. Go ahead. Steve White, East Shore Drive.
[1:01:49] Speaker A (unidentified): Just a quick question concerning the Homestead exemption.
[1:01:52] Speaker H (unidentified): Last year it was 25,000 and this year it's 21,500.
[1:01:56] Speaker A (unidentified): Who controls, was that a state, did I miss it?
[1:01:58] Town Clerk: Yeah, it's set by the state based on what percentage of assessed value you're at. So any time a town does a revaluer at 100%, hopefully we can keep that for a year or two at best, but as we get away from that, Acton's currently at 85%, so that's what triggers the state sets the rate of what percentage of the home we get in a reimbursed form.
[1:02:16] Speaker B (unidentified): So we're at 85. I missed it, was like, what happened?
[1:02:20] Town Clerk: Yeah, it fluctuates every year. It's a good question. I didn't know that.
[1:02:37] Speaker I (unidentified): On the land that we own, not that we're talking about buying but questions from Lee and it's very interesting here about thinking of selling H Road because we probably own a couple at least a couple hundred and more acres of land and what are we going to do with it I mean do we do anything with the town forest is that something that could bring in money for us is the question. We have two town forests, right?
[1:03:15] Town Clerk: Right, so the conservation, yeah.
[1:03:17] Speaker G (unidentified): You're talking about town farm?
[1:03:20] Speaker I (unidentified): Besides the town farm.
[1:03:21] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, town forest, where would that be?
[1:03:25] Speaker I (unidentified): It's up by the ridge.
[1:03:26] Speaker G (unidentified): I think, well, we do own a piece of property
[1:03:29] Speaker I (unidentified): up on the county road. Yeah, county road, right.
[1:03:32] Speaker G (unidentified): But I don't think we call it a town forest. Okay. That's why I was confused. They're all kind of all town forest.
[1:03:38] Speaker I (unidentified): Right,. I got you, I got you. And do we have contaminated land, Fox's Ridge?
[1:03:52] Speaker H (unidentified): That we own? I have no idea.
[1:03:55] Speaker B (unidentified): Would that be, are you thinking the one down closest to Milton Mills? Is that Fox's Ridge?
[1:04:01] Speaker I (unidentified): No,. The one down by Milton Mills, French Street? oh that's another one that you know Lee come up to me and ask me there is a
[1:04:14] Speaker B (unidentified): piece of land down there that was we talked about that there was a tanning mill in Milton Mills the other side of the river there's a piece of property that they wanted to give the town we never took it because it's contaminated
[1:04:34] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, we do believe we do all the piece on the corner of French Street Okay, that is a little beach that we own that all right But I don't there's nothing to tell you never heard anything about
[1:04:46] Speaker H (unidentified): We did that whole break at all. So is your question? Do we own contaminated land?
[1:04:51] Speaker I (unidentified): No, my question is do we own at least three or four? parcels of land
[1:04:57] Speaker H (unidentified): that Could be sold could it be sold?
[1:05:02] Town Clerk: We own several pieces of property. I mean, the Conservation Force Committee do oversee several pieces. There are selective cuttings. They go before town meeting when we get the forest plans and then decide to cut as far as the revenue part of the question. But I'm happy to run a list of all the town properties and provide it to you next week.
[1:05:22] Speaker H (unidentified): If they were gifted to us, are any of these gifts?
[1:05:25] Town Clerk: Yes. I mean, some of these go way back.
[1:05:27] Speaker H (unidentified): Because we may not be able to sell them.
[1:05:30] Town Clerk: Fox and Ridge Road, New Bridge Road, Hibo, Middle Road, 34th Street, Old Town Farm Road, French Road, Young's Ridge Road, Young's Ridge, another Hibo. I mean, these are all, Cova Wood, these are all just the, if you type in town back on the interactive maps, all of the properties. So, I mean, I can run some reports easily to show you the details of each one of them. I just don't have them right now. Okay.
[1:05:56] Speaker I (unidentified): With this piece of property coming up, which you know is really very interesting, that's what brought up these other pieces of land that we have, this piece. Oh yeah, I think you really
[1:06:11] Speaker G (unidentified): Directly, you know, something we can actually use right off, I think, without getting into any details
[1:06:17] Speaker I (unidentified): So everybody can see the opportunity that could present. And you know, but Jen, if you could get that for our meeting a little bit.
[1:06:29] Town Clerk: The details of all the town on the property?
[1:06:31] Speaker I (unidentified): No,, no, we don't need that, we don't need that.
[1:06:35] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, I think it would be a good idea to have it. It's not a bad list.
[1:06:38] Speaker I (unidentified): Yeah. But now, of the...
[1:06:41] Speaker H (unidentified): Well, do it for us, Jennifer. Yeah.
[1:06:43] Speaker G (unidentified): I would like to know the exact size of the project
[1:06:46] Speaker I (unidentified): I'm not putting any more work on her, she's got, she's got a, yeah
[1:06:52] Town Clerk: i'll have it 's very simple our software will print it off in seconds
[1:06:57] Speaker I (unidentified): I'm going to speak for all of us. What we would like is that quote unquote mark that you put together, the draft, yes, I had to get the board to approve it
[1:07:06] Town Clerk: First we get it, yeah, so I needed them to figure out where they wanted to pay for it out, but you'll have it, buddy, we're closed tomorrow, we'll have a Friday. Oh, thank you. Okay, that's
[1:07:14] Speaker I (unidentified): That's pretty much it, thanks.
[1:07:20] Speaker B (unidentified): Any other public comment? Okay, we hear a motion to adjourn.
[1:07:28] Speaker C (unidentified): Motion to adjourn and it's 7-10.
[1:07:30] Speaker B (unidentified): I'll second that. Moved and seconded to adjourn. All in favor? All opposed? Good night, everyone. Good night. Good night. We'll send some emails. Okay.