Bangor committee outlines final report for new parks and rec facility

[0:00] Carollynn Lear: Diane at the Y a couple weeks ago shared with her the presentation that we shared with you all about a month ago. I would, I would carry, we would characterize as a very good conversation. What was interesting, they are quite a few steps ahead of us, as I think we've talked about, as far as process. What was interesting is that, and those of you have been involved with it probably know this already, they were following the same path for their project, getting the same feedback back from their stakeholders. From the community as we have. So what we found interesting is that although at different times and by different stakeholder groups, the entire community sees needs here that aren't being met, both for their patrons and for our patrons. What came out of it was each of us supports each other's project. They certainly have made some decisions within to pursue programming much like we have with the fitness part of the biggest take we got out of it was they are fully intending to pursue a complete. [1:22] Speaker B (unidentified): Complete youth sports program, which they're not doing right now, which they're not doing right now. [1:26] Carollynn Lear: Which we all did years ago, and recall we're still missing a Y here. Yeah, right, wow, we're still. [1:36] Speaker C (unidentified): Missing a Y here. There was three at that one time, us and two wives. Yeah, so the court agreed. [1:44] Carollynn Lear: Back however many years ago, there was Parks and Recreation, the YW and the YM, and as a matter, a matter of remembering and contacts for history, the YM and YW combined. So in the community when that happened, and they did it for the right, they had to do it, understood why they had to do it, did it for the reasons that they needed to, they had to make some operational decisions at the time, but the community supported all three of those entities at that time, supported them well. So going forward, yes, there are some of the same elements in both projects. For sure, we've all seen that. We've all talked about that. There continues to be room for both of those. There still continues to be a need for both of those. What came out of the meeting with the why, we're going to continue to meet with the why as they go along. The why is going to be a good resource for us in that, hey, here's what we did that worked well. You all should think about this in your project. hey this is what we did that probably we would do again think about that and at the end of the day our missions are slightly different the wise mission is for that segment of the community we are certainly as a public agency have our mission and supporting the citizens here in the community both can support each other i think that's generally how [3:11] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, one thing she is gonna go look at, she, you know, she was asking about, you know, the two, we have a lot of similar components in each place, and one of them was the fitness. She was wondering, and like we have learned doing our research and going out and looking at all these facilities that we did, that it helps each other when you have both in the community. It enhances and it increases people going to both places, and so she's interested in looking into that and seeing more about that, which is. Great, because there's so much data out there. [3:50] Speaker D (unidentified): That supports that. I would say too that when we look at both projects, the only thing that is new that overlaps, like there will, there will never be too much child care. I think that it's been shown that we definitely need more gyms, even if we bring back the YM and the YW. When I first moved to Bangor, I lived on [street], and the YM was right there and had a pool, and I believe it had basketball court, and then when they merged, they took the basketball court at the YW and made that the fitness. center so that lost two gyms and a pool and i believe part of the reason why they merged was also aging infrastructure which is what we're facing with the city but really the only thing that's sort of new that overlaps is the fitness room which i feel like is also the not the most expensive component of the projects so i see that other than that everything else sort of does complement each other yeah the why have been fantastic [4:43] Carollynn Lear: partners with us we've shared that with you before and that won't change but what's interesting about the why the why i'm on heaven street when they moved that fitness center to the old gym that was a fantastic fitness center oh isn't it fun that was fantastic and right now that option that option for members of the community aren't there and it was busy it was busy and they also used the gym out to uma they had the facility out to uma so yeah community's ready for the for this kind of space These kinds of spaces, yes, it is a, it will be a Bangor facility. Certainly we've talked about it here, the regional aspect of it isn't lost on either effort. And ultimately it was a good opportunity for the both departments and each staff get together, and the conversation is going to continue, and it's going to be to support each other. And as Deb said, Diane is going to do her own homework, and I think the conversations ongoing will be much as they always have with us. What do they always have? We've complemented each other over the years, and that goes back to when both organizations were in place, both the YW, you in the YM. [6:00] Speaker B (unidentified): So hopefully that answers the question. I think that, yeah, I think that was [6:06] Speaker D (unidentified): a big question that has been sort of brought up over and over is what about the Y? So I feel like [6:10] Speaker C (unidentified): that this definitely helps Claire. And one of the things actually to add on to that, she was wondering when we were doing our research, did people know about their,, you know, what they were doing? And everybody did. They all did know about it. So and so that answered her question that it was all out there that the wire was building something and now we're starting this project and going through our own research and people came, people came and said we need this [6:41] Speaker D (unidentified): Any other questions or comments or them? I wanted to get one to make sure we hit the [6:47] Carollynn Lear: water. Yeah, no, so just again please, here you go, thank you for joining us, thank you, thank you again. We're trying to lay out how we think this report for you all be structured back to council. So we talked about the why, and as we mentioned in the note, we'll have ongoing conversation which we think should be included in your final report. We've talked about all the spaces and confirmed those continue to be needs based on all the feedback we've had. The one piece under six that we did incorporate is the addition of outdoor sports fields as part of phase one and whatever form or shape that takes. Do you want us to win, do you want that included as part of your final report back to council? Might be the next thing you want to [7:39] Speaker C (unidentified): talk about. Yeah, I would say yes, I would say yes. Okay, and I think that's a great idea because the need is out there for outdoor facilities and we have the space and I know we're gonna do it, but let's, if you're looking at the numbers, you know, with just that little bit added on, why not? And we have to do the grounds anyways to get the rest of it done, so it won't take that, we'd have [8:02] Speaker B (unidentified): We'd be landscaping, yeah, otherwise, or right, yeah, and this is something the Y doesn't have, right? [8:08] Carollynn Lear: They're not going to have like an outdoor, yeah, but the only outdoor space they will have, the city, they can, they begin use of Talbot Park, the majority of Talbot Park, for my jaws, yes, yep, for outdoor green space, but that's all they'll have at their new site. And as we've talked about, and we actually shared it with you at our last meeting, the only real available outdoor space on a consistent basis is Cameron Stadium, Union Street complex, and hit or miss at behind the Dowdy School, if available. Then Cameron Stadium, as Joe shared with you, it's a community facility, but certainly school activities, a majority of the use over there, and Joe squeezes in every minute of every availability for every group of camp, so the need continues to be there for the outdoor space. [9:04] Speaker E (unidentified): And in this, can you clarify the how the city, the relationship between the city and that Second Street Park, and how that was, it transferred over, yeah, so that the Y could use that property, that whole park, with the exception of the playground equipment, right, yeah, right? [9:21] Carollynn Lear: So there'll be a carve out for the play structure and the area around the play structures, but [9:26] Speaker E (unidentified): otherwise that whole park now becomes part of the wise complex to yeah do whatever outdoor space [9:33] Carollynn Lear: however they want to use it, I believe, and don't hold me to this as far as 100 accuracy, part of their concept includes some of the park becoming parking, possibly, I don't know, I think most of their parking is on the Second Street side, park side of the project, and then there's a, there's an entryway incorporated in that concept, so without sharing the arms, that actually, I think some of that infrastructure will be absorbed into the park, and as you may be aware, they, the street Davis Court, yeah, has been absorbed into that project as well as some of this, so the lots up on the end of First Street, but yes, their intent is to use it for some green space, certainly they'll have it for their own activities, the child care I think is going to be accessed [10:30] Speaker B (unidentified): accessed on that side, if I remember the concept correctly, I don't think it will be like a sports [10:37] Speaker D (unidentified): field, no, when I was on Council and was being discussed, it wasn't, the intent wasn't to be like a soccer field for the Y, it would just be maybe playground space, like fenced in child care. [10:47] Speaker C (unidentified): Outside play area, but they might still, you know, Diane, they want to start youth programming and go hard with everything, soccer, basketball, and all these things, so you never know, they might use it for some stuff, okay. [11:04] Carollynn Lear: Okay, so just continue down the outline, we'll, we'll add that, we'll incorporate again a review of the current conditions. I know it's been in the report, you all have seen that, even since that time, specifically as Sawyer, a few things have changed. [11:21] Speaker B (unidentified): Changed over there, assuming not for the better, assuming not for the, magically heal myself, no. [11:29] Carollynn Lear: I would be going to bed if Joe had that kind of power, he probably would be sitting here with us. The dash is only, again, the chiller is, and that's all I'll say out loud, and the boiler is now leaking, so just a general update of that. Again, Carolyn, you have mentioned using a resource to get some of those, really a picture will tell a thousand words type thing, I think that'll be good to incorporate as we go forward, just so everybody understands, I need you all understand that it's pretty common. Knowledge, but for those, by the next meeting, yeah, no, I hopefully get that, we get out for you. So the final piece of your report would be again to summarize everything we've talked about, re-emphasize the significant and broad support from all the stakeholders that we've heard from, the community survey, and recommend next steps for the council pursue, which could include some sort of ballot initiative for November, ultimate center decision, but for you folks, is that the direction you want to head in, or. Anything else. [12:39] Speaker B (unidentified): To you want to make sure that the council is aware of, or add to this document, that's going. [12:44] Speaker D (unidentified): To be for your final report, any comments to add, or any thoughts to add, and for council fish, but. [12:51] Carollynn Lear: To put directly put you on the spot, do you as a council representative feel like this would be. [12:56] Carolyn Fish: Yes, I think this would be good. The other question they might have would be any ideas, and maybe meet with our grant writer, and just any suggestions we might have. I know we've got to go to vote, but how the Y raised money, any recommendations, or any ideas, or any thoughts we might have for funding, we all have our own, but if there's anything new, when I did reach out to the rec department in Sedona, interestingly, the new rec center around there, the city did not have funds, did not have the support, was. Not voted in, so the whole, there was a big shift between the city getting behind. They were also thinking about building a new Y. So what they did is got behind the Y in the city, and the Y sort of in partnership but separately, the Y expanded and incorporated some of the needs of the city. So, a little bit different though. I was a little further ahead. They had more funding on a private sector. The city didn't have the support from the citizens. The majority of the residents there were seasonal, didn't really have the stakes with the children, full-time children, and it just didn't pass. So they shifted gears. [14:19] Speaker D (unidentified): One thing that I would make sure that is included in this is when we talk about the stakeholder process or when we talk about what this facility is for, that I mean I talk about child care all the time and talk, you know, we talk about kids sports and all that, but to really emphasize that this is a multi-generation facility. It is not just a child care, it's not just for the hockey teams, that it really is meant to be a facility for the community, the community youth spaces, expanding programming across the demographics, and not just for kids. I mean, kids tell a lot of things, people like to do a lot of things for their kids, but also got to take care of everyone. [15:01] Carolyn Fish: Yeah, I was concerned that after listening to what happened in Sedona, we really need to make sure between now and November, we educate the public and we get the public enthusiastic, asked he can understand it's not that we want it, we need it. You know, we want it too, but I mean we [15:17] Speaker C (unidentified): really need it. Yeah, it's a place where the whole family can go, it's a place where the whole family can go, that needs to be really emphasized. You know, there's something for little ones, for senior citizens, for, you know, anybody and everybody, hockey players, basketball players, baseball [15:34] Speaker D (unidentified): players, everybody. I know, I know the hockey parents will turn out, but I think it's also important that [15:38] Speaker B (unidentified): we make it clear it's not just for, yeah, hockey parents, it may be loyal to school with this [15:44] Speaker G (unidentified): committee, I recognize that, but is there, is there a strategy for pushing out to the public for [15:49] Carollynn Lear: the, that public messaging, that would be the next step. So getting the decision to put it out there, then starts that conversation. So for you, some of you, we, it would be analogous to when the cross center arena, yeah, that would be, that's how I see it would be analogous to the cross [16:14] Speaker B (unidentified): center. There's also a little bit of that with Cameron Stadium, with Cameron Stadium, yeah, for [16:19] Carollynn Lear: Sure, so it's a long way of answering your question. Yeah, there'd be a strategy. We have some previous projects that have been completed that we can refer back to, and it could be as simple as a recommendation in this report that the city engage with a consultant to strategize a campaign going forward to make sure that the information does get out there for all of the segments of the population to at least get the full picture and then make the decision. [16:51] Speaker H (unidentified): It's not in here about the connection with Hassan or any of that with who we see Joe's in the past that you were talking about. Do you want to put any of that in here saying about how it is going to fit into the neighborhood where it's people are talking about it's not there's any neighborhood settings or more it's more world-based? Do you want to be able to talk about how it's going to incorporate into that neighborhood? Sure, I get there from. [17:17] Speaker G (unidentified): Just from Austin's perspective and we're very excited about the project, they're very supportive. I think you know we certainly it's getting the cart ahead of the horse. We certainly would love to have conversations about what would you be interested in, some sort of a group rate for students or whatever that might look like from just a recreational perspective. We also I know we've had just really preliminary conversations about what opportunities might there be down the road to help you know. Support our athletic teams. We're somewhat limited in facilities. We don't have a track. We have a track and field team, we don't have a track, so we're we're using Cameron Stadium. We use different facilities, we've worked out those agreements, but obviously, there's a massive advantage to having a track down the road in future ongoing phases. It would be wonderful to be able to work out some agreements with the city. I think we've had a great relationship with the city and we've kind of worked back and forth with facilities and things. And we certainly would look at this as another opportunity to do that. We've talked about as our athletic program may expand down the road, you know, would we would we think about things like a Division three hockey team or something? Something and would there be some opportunity where we're not there right now, we're not ready to we explore that a little bit, we're not ready to take that leap and make any sort of a commitment, but it certainly would be wonderful to think that there might the door might. [18:34] Speaker B (unidentified): Be open to that, to those conversations moving forward. Another thing too, just to, because I [18:39] Speaker D (unidentified): work at Harrison, I'm not here representing Huss and Chris's, but just you hire so many Husson students, imagine how many you can hire if they didn't need a car to get there and get back and forth in our, in our sports management programs. Imagine if you had an interns from Husson who walked across the street to learn how to manage athletic facilities. If you talk about our education students coming over and doing an internship with the summer camps or the early childhood programs, like so there's so many opportunities like based on location. Then you talk about [19:09] Speaker C (unidentified): saying those, you know, that'd be great to kind of incorporate a little bit of that in this. I [19:14] Speaker D (unidentified): I think if you can bring that into that, because of the hesitance of hesitation about the location, if you talk about the advantages of that location and serving a population that is that there's, there's nothing out there right now. [19:28] Speaker H (unidentified): So, what can we do to make this more bring that part of the city into the city a little more? What excited me as a parent and you were talking about all these of the cross country kids going from Bangor High over to Griffin Road, and watching them cross Broadway as I hold my breath, you know, talking about having a safer way for them to get there, you know, that alone would be, you know, and some of that might end up being [19:54] Speaker D (unidentified): like St. Joe's cuts a path and Hassan picks up the path and it's not really city, I'm not really a city project, but helps integrate those, you know, three, four big systems. Talk about Bangor High, St. Joe's, Hassan and in this new facility, if you have those integrated it would [20:12] Speaker G (unidentified): be very beneficial, it would, it would go a long way towards supporting, you know, our grant by St. Joe's and plus and both have partnered on this kind of a trail project concept. We've looked at some grant funding, we haven't been successful yet, but I think there are future opportunities and this would certainly bolster that argument, just having that connection between both the [20:32] Speaker B (unidentified): city's facilities I think would help that. Yeah, and like, you know, we talk about the it being the [20:37] Speaker D (unidentified): Geographic center of the city, but also there's, there's people there and it's not out in the middle of nowhere. There's a lot of people there, and from August to May there's even more people there than people might realize. So I think that, and you know, we see, I see kids who, people who come in from like Glenburn and have their kids ride their bike around the circle in the summer because it's like a safe place to ride your bike. A lot of people walk their dogs through the circle and around from like Hudson Avenue, so it would just extend that and build on that sort of outer neighborhood. So I think just making sure that the location is discussed not just in its position in the city and the municipal structure, but also in the community and how it will serve the community. And it's honestly one of the reasons I think that if you were putting this in the location of the current building, it would be a lot harder sell for me because if you had a Y right next to a city building, that's tough, but if you have your east side facility and you have your west side facility, I think it makes, I think it makes great sense to help our [21:38] Speaker G (unidentified): are expanding traffic congestion too, but it's, it's a much, a good infrastructure there, it's, it's easy to get to and it doesn't add to the congestion of downtown Bangor. Right, first is going to come in [21:50] Speaker B (unidentified): from Glenburn, right, I am, yeah, that's right, exactly. First member, all right, I got the application right [21:56] Speaker G (unidentified): here for you, 're flying over, I'm happy if it's helpful, I'm happy to kind of write something up [22:02] Carollynn Lear: from the housing perspective, so that'd be now where I'm gonna go next. So that, I appreciate that because we'll take that, well I say we staff would take that and certainly the committees could be, but incorporating any support and or enthusiasm to be a partner with a project, certainly the concept, our driveway is aligned with that driveway and that could be beneficial with traffic planning down the road, pedestrian access and all of that. So yeah, if you don't mind just kind of crafting something, I'm setting up today, that'd be, I think it's ready, thank you. [22:39] Speaker B (unidentified): Mike, yes, thanks everybody, next time you're good with all this, I'm assuming, yeah, I think we're, we're going on the right track and yeah, this sounds good, I'm excited, all right, thank you, thank [22:51] Carollynn Lear: you very much, yeah, no, it's great to include that and if you don't like doing it, yep, is [22:56] Speaker E (unidentified): Hassan interested in helping with the funding of the project? I can say yesterday we're in the [23:02] Speaker G (unidentified): Middle of our own, we certainly have had some financial challenges we're working through and coming out of, so they say. I, we're excited about the partnership opportunities. I think, you know, we're not at this point, we're not in the position to make commitments in terms of [23:16] Speaker B (unidentified): how we would be expanding programming or athletics. No one in higher ed is in a position to say that. [23:21] Speaker D (unidentified): I mean, it's true. It's like, I wanted to really know, there's no college there. [23:25] Speaker E (unidentified): There would have been a time when Hassan might have, yeah, but there could be. [23:33] Carollynn Lear: I mean, you all have done this kind of work. I mean, fundraising is fundraising, and there might be either contacts or typical, we've had good luck with these groups. Start there. [23:46] Speaker D (unidentified): I mean, I think, I think the easiest one is just if we can get letters of support from other community partners that would be into this, even if it's just like the hockey programs obviously are gonna be into this, right, but Hassan for its needs, if St Joe's is interested in, and you know, just saying yes, we like this and this is going to be beneficial to our neighborhood, you know, our neighborhood because of this, any of those, any of those groups that can say, no really, we will, this is going to be a value to us, I think would be beneficial in just explaining the need, even if you get, you know, your, line dancers, you know, like get some of those folks, your little walkers, or your preschool moms, or your, all those little people that we don't, you know, you [24:30] Speaker H (unidentified): you don't see that as much, right, and also that's going to put the word out there more and people not being able to say I didn't know about it, yeah, right, but [24:41] Speaker E (unidentified): to continue on that theme, I mean, that does bring us back full circle. I mean, the Y has already done that, you know, asked all the interested groups, asked, will you be interested in this, asked everybody for funding, we, you know, we've all already been asked and to participate in a project, understood, and so the funding is different for both projects. So this is a taxpayer situation, it's municipal, it, yeah, it's on a whole different scale of, you know, as this one's asking taxpayers for a bond funding situation versus the other one. So I think we do have to be very clear about, you know, why there is an additional need for this. Yep, on that note, I wonder if the Y would [25:28] Carolyn Fish: write something about you know they 're in support of this because we there's still a need [25:34] Speaker E (unidentified): They can't, we're picking up. Would they say they can't quite meet the need? I don't know, that might [25:38] Carolyn Fish: Be helpful for the public to know that, you know, that why so they and to know that it's not a [25:44] Speaker D (unidentified): It's not a competition, it really is like this, it's a, it really is a compliment for, yeah, the only competition would be the money weight room, except for the fact that I think in the wise case [25:58] Speaker E (unidentified): They would need membership to cover the cost of being the, why, I mean, in the city's case, the city could be supplemented by the taxpayers at any time that the city's, this particular project doesn't need to meet its expenses, pay for all of its expenses, where the wise in that case does, I mean, they have to, and that's a, I'm sorry, and wait to pay for their operations and to stay open and [26:25] Carollynn Lear: That's all fair, any of those wise portion of those clubs, all those organizations, they fundraise to operate and through fees, memberships, donors to pay back their debt for building their facility [26:40] Speaker C (unidentified): And they're going to start programming, youth programming, which they haven't done, so that's going to generate more revenue for them, so nothing, that's all fair, I mean, as a public [26:50] Carollynn Lear: Municipal agency we get, we're offset by revenue with our program fees, so that our total impact the taxpayer is, we try to minimize that as much as we can, do you have a question [27:01] Speaker B (unidentified): What do you mean no one youth programming, man, that's absurd, they have not had programming [27:10] Speaker C (unidentified): Youth programming like youth basketball and t-ball and all those type of programs, they haven't had since they kind of merged, they did have it before, I know we both had basketball programs, both had people programs, we both had all that type of stuff, and then they stopped it, and we've been doing it ever since, like taking on everybody, you know, and so they want to start that back up to generate [27:36] Speaker E (unidentified): Revenue because you can follow up because they have to, but did we ever answer the question about the current subsidy and then what the projected subsidy would be for the new facility [27:48] Carollynn Lear: That's included in the, did that get in there? I didn't have time to drill. No, and I and I know you know I so that's why I said, Yeah, I didn't want to get in the weeds of it today. It's the full report. The supplemented pro former that we talked about a couple of weeks ago was incorporated into that. [28:04] Speaker E (unidentified): So yes, to answer your question on which way, because that I know that was kind of an outline question that you know should kind of be out there to know that this is, yeah, it's a different funded, a different [28:13] Speaker D (unidentified): For sure, yeah, and the and the existing buildings was the other one that we were, you know, even if it was obviously not hard numbers, but just things that would offset the cost. And so I will try, I'm [28:25] Carollynn Lear: still trying to get, if I think Council Fish asked about where we are, Parks and Rec, is there any sort of value to that? I'm sure there is. At the worst case, we just use a tax card for that for that answer. With respect to Soy Arena, that's a little different entity, and that's incorporated, operate within Hayford Park. The park service wouldn't allow us to sell it off, so we'd have to [28:53] Speaker B (unidentified): repurpose it in some way which could be another deal there could be another we could be another outdoor space that didn't skate park but it also can be the first one give me a couple more [29:05] Speaker C (unidentified): years, it also could be more parking too, so they don't have to park on the waterline from Mansfield [29:09] Speaker D (unidentified): field you know yeah make it a little even less chaotic out there yeah so are there any other notes on that so what yeah no I'm good now okay keep going like I feel like we've sort of discussed everything and in the section three like reviewing the current conditions we've discussed that the conclusions we'll make sure that we are yeah that's the next piece I mean yeah [29:34] Carollynn Lear: Ultimately, the product from today, the deliverable from today for staff is if you feel with the inclusion of the items we've talked about today, if you feel like this outline is a direction for your report, that's what we'd like the staff to hear from you all today. [29:52] Speaker D (unidentified): I think we're good for them to draft the report. Okay. If we're good with that. Okay. We're good with that. Yeah. [29:57] Speaker B (unidentified): Are they? I'm gonna note that, so like 3D and Beck, the discussion and confirmation of the Griffin Road thing, that wasn't something that we discussed here. Like we discussed it, but we didn't decide it here. That was, it was decided before. That should be number one, maybe. Yeah, that's impossible. And that was all in this, so move review location up to number one, so there's no, it's not big. Okay, good clarity. That's a good point. Should my letter be to you as a chair of a chair to Trace? Great job, all right. I'll expect it by the end of the day. No, I'm kidding. At the risk of making that decision for a chair, I just did. I don't know if you, if you, if you [30:36] Speaker D (unidentified): don't want to send it to my hustle email, I mean, you can, or you send me a PDF and I can print it out, or I can attach it. I don't know if you don't want to money the waters with custom connections. [30:45] Speaker B (unidentified): But whatever you have, I think you're, you're in this role, I mean, I think that's the chair, yeah. [30:51] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, that's appropriate. Yeah, that's the appropriate guy. I don't think husband's gonna be mad if I support this, you know, some people, I know some people. All right. [31:01] Speaker E (unidentified): So, and maybe for the phases, just really be clear on the phases because it seems like 1 document, it's kind of clear what the phases are and then the other, and it's all in the 1st phase. Yeah, that's a good point. The basis sort of shifted a little bit and how minimal can the 1st phase be, you know, to really help the taxpayers understand, you know, it can be, it can start this way and then we see how things go with as the other resources come on within the community. I mean, that's the thought, but at least be clear on what the thinking is for the 1st phase for sure. [31:40] Speaker D (unidentified): Any other comments or questions. [31:42] Speaker B (unidentified): Questions so at our next meeting which will be like two weeks from tomorrow July 3rd is the next [31:48] Carollynn Lear: Meeting for this committee so yeah we'll try to get this worked up so you'll have at least a day or so prior to that work from there I'll be way but I'll get this letter to you and I'm [32:05] Speaker G (unidentified): Happy to it's something i can do to help be healthy from afar i feel like we're in a good [32:12] Carollynn Lear: Place to get something produced for you all to kind of go over it and finalize great good okay [32:17] Speaker B (unidentified): All right thank you meeting adjourned thank you brings up john paul's xp