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[0:00] Speaker A (unidentified): So there we are, office, you walked through, yeah, huge punch list. It's it's it's like an absolutely unreal, just yeah, it's an unpunchable list. So you will be ready. Okay, what do you do? So I work in education and I'm hoping to do, we're opening the blinds, 6th to 9th grade, 125 kids in 3 weeks and 1 deaf in 2 days. That's huge. Congrats.
[0:45] Speaker B (unidentified): Thank you for that. That's good. It's fun. I think we're good.
[0:54] Kayleigh Quainey: I'm sure we will. Once you get past the bump list.
[0:58] Speaker B (unidentified): You might want to hop off, don't have our attention if you need to present for anything.
[1:04] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, we do have quorum, I think, so you can do it. Yeah, I will call the commission's meeting need a quarter one chair. And just welcome to our new folks this evening. I do not have any public here for comments. So we can go ahead and then we need the agenda. And so we can go ahead and move to, if anyone had any questions about the e-mail that was submitted.
[1:57] Rob: When is the pilot program or is it hard to finish this?
[2:03] Speaker E (unidentified): That is to be determined. Yeah, I mean, it's, we're still implementing some of the new changes. So once that's all in, then that will allow us to kind of let it settle for a minute and then do another traffic study to assess if there's been any changes in the plan and then at that point we can determine success or failure or if they're landing at a 1.5. Yeah.
[2:34] Rob: Are there any metrics that will be used to determine whether it's successful?
[2:41] Speaker E (unidentified): Well, we're gonna, we have the original traffic study, which has all the speeds and traffic counts. We'll try to match that up with the second one to see if there's any differences there. For those would kind of be the main metrics and then other than that it would just be visual observations to see if there's any significant safety hazard are to play within the pattern or are there any positive visual changes. Cool, good jobs.
[3:21] Speaker A (unidentified): I'm going to make sure we're giving extra context tonight, so the peace and park project was like basically a traffic like slowing project that was funded primarily by revenues from the back. So those dollars that were associated, which were basically part of the contract that was initially with the city, are allowing the city to go forward with the project, just to add fun facts to our understanding. It's necessary for today. Any other questions about those comments? For those new to the Commission, we always start with follow-up comments from anyone one who has an item that is not on the agenda. If we were to have an agenda item where someone comments would open public comments. But since we do not have any members of the general public with us, I assume we're good. Next up is acceptance of amendments from March 5. I am wondering, yes, I am wondering, we can offer more topics on that in a moment. I'm wondering if we have sufficient because we're going to have one two before four extensions do we still have a vote to accept the minutes with or like the majority in meeting with one
[4:56] Speaker E (unidentified): it's an interesting question but i don't think i have the answer for it why don't we go for it right if it doesn't work then we'll do it next time amazing this do we have
[5:09] Speaker A (unidentified): a motion to separate march that i will amazing thank you so you get seconds awesome second from robert are there any questions about minutes for discussion and then move to both the minutes so for those new members you just abstain all of them favor five All right. So we have three yeses. Anyone abstaining? Any noes? All right. How many was that? Five. Five abstentions. Okay. With that, we're going to move on to Nucatis, so hopefully we're less awkward. Welcome to the commissioners. We'll spend a little bit of time tonight just introducing and kind of explaining how the meeting is working although typically our summer meetings are a little bit harder for folks to meet so in the past we actually have like tended to have to reschedule august this is just a weird time particularly if you're traveling and so that is in particular why we are a lighter than usual i will also name we've had some turnover with the commission with folks who served for a while we're stepping back and so forth so we get sort of a bunch of fresh new faces as i said my name is beth rabbit i have served on the commission since 2020 because i it was 2021 and have been chair for three years something like that time's lost me i think too because my first year are you yeah you and jamie yeah yes okay as part of my role as chair also sort of important conservancy which is a fundraising work and i live in north mary and have two young dogs and my i'm gonna have us review folks to offer a little bit more background but Folks could also share what is their favorite park as part of your intro. And it could be a park or an open space, because technically open space is our park. And I will name, I live right near Oda in the Prezant Scott River Preserve. So my favorite park is one of them. I'm also, I'm Alex, or Alexis, either way. I have been in the commission for two, three years.
[7:52] Speaker B (unidentified): I don't know. I just would know that. I don't know. I don't know everybody's years, but you can go to the agenda portal and at any moment in time, you can review your position on the chair and when you're supposed to.
[8:08] Speaker A (unidentified): We can also just hang for like, I've been here for a bit. Yeah, so good then you're a bit and I live in East Bayside you're not and I am a landscape architect and I have interesting facts I guess my favorite part I kind of have the same eastern process I feel like your backyard but yeah I've enjoyed working on the commission and we'll enjoy it for as long as we can. My
[8:48] Rob: name's Rob. I've been a commissioner for I think two and a half years. I'm the liaison from the land base, so that's when I started doing this role as well. I live in the area, sort of, and my favorite I do that in school. Of elementary school at Longfellow my favorite part is Lupin's interning the trail
[9:15] Speaker E (unidentified): which are all big topics
[9:19] Rob: I've been on the commission for about two years now my full-time job is running the Narrow Capital waterfront now some little bias my favorite part is the eastern problem and I'm Steve Campbell this is my first meeting I grew up in South Portland, and years ago I was the Washington reporter for the Press Herald when newspapers were significant. And I moved back to Monjoy Hill where my mother grew up three or four years ago, maybe four years ago. And got involved in community activities and became president of the Friends of Eastern Prawn, which had become a little bit inactive during the COVID period. And I've worked with Jack Phillips on invasive tree projects and cleanups. Along my journey, though, in Eastern Prawn, where we're having a concert tonight. I know.
[11:00] Zach McGoon: I am Zach McGoon. I am a newbie. I live in kind of Rosemont, Skywater District over there. I am a father of three, a 20-year-old, an 18-year-old, and a 14-year-old. I am a creative director for a software company, a satellite communications company out of Maryland. I'm an avid biker, hiker, skater. My favorite part is the four-wheeler cinch ride, because it's right outside of town.
[11:38] Speaker A (unidentified): You're not a biker, right?
[11:40] Rob: Yes. I'll fill those.
[11:42] Zach McGoon: Cool. Yeah, check them out. They're really good.
[11:47] Kayleigh Quainey: Hello, I'm Kayleigh Quainey. This is my first day, also a newbie. I live in Riverton with my husband and our cattle dog. I do interim vacations for a health care company based in 24 states, but unfortunately no presence in Maine. So in as much free time as I have, I do absolutely everything I can outdoors. I volunteer at a lot of farms around the area. I'm really active with Wayside, just down the street, in their food program, and love just exploring all of Portland and Maine's trails. Mostly hiking, trail running with my very hyper active dog. So excited to be part of this group and very hard to choose a favorite. I would say Evergreen because I can technically walk there even though I have to cross over.
[12:39] Speaker A (unidentified): Now I can see, isn't there one gorilla track that's going to be fun at some point?
[12:51] Kayleigh Quainey: There was like a 20-30 plan at one point that said there might be a connection from the Talbot School to Aberdeen. It would be very interesting.
[13:02] Speaker E (unidentified): I'm Alex Marshall, I'm the parks director for park director facilities, and I've been in the city coming up on my 12th anniversary, and in this particular role for seven years. I have, I have to answer this question the same way every time it's asked. I have thought about that, haven't you? Yeah, exactly, your strong arm, the balance, yeah. They're all very special characters, but let's see, I have two children as well, eight, seven, and I go there, that's Carver district, two dogs, Jess.
[13:54] Speaker B (unidentified): T sale staff, the parks commission, and the land bank commission. I'm the long title Senior Executive Assistant to the Director of Parks, Rec and Facilities. I am also a Rosemont neighborhood resident, and I live between Papisik and Redland Woods on Rockland. So I live on the corner of Rockland, Kenilworth, with. And so I would definitely say, like, probably Redland Woods is my favorite. It's not a park yet. Or even, it's a land bank property, some mostly, but not fully. One of those weird parcels. But interphysic is just amazing. Love it. All seasons. Just a couple recommendations or requests is when you're speaking, if you could speak towards the little circle in the black bar there, it helps record your voices. The sound system in this room is quirky and doesn't pick up everybody's voices, especially on the back row.
[15:08] Speaker A (unidentified): Thank you for being here. Thank you. Yes. If you don't show up enough, she's gonna email me. I'm super excited to have you all up with us. I was sharing with Kaylee this commission is a like amazing place to get to learn about the work of the city and what people care about. And what I'd say is, you know, over the last five years getting to serve, it's a pretty incredible thing to get to be part of the planning of like 100 year projects and like legacy work for the future of Portland. There have been new parks that have gotten created while I've been here and there are brand new like do we call it like a warrior course, what do we call the thing on the, yeah, I mean there's amazing work that happens sometimes at a pace that is like a lot longer than some of us get to plan but also in a way where you work that you are part of here, like hundreds of years later, hopefully will be part. So, sometimes it's good to have that. And we're also talking about things like permits or the SCADAQ process, which we'll talk about tonight. So, next up on the agenda, so this is actually my last vision as a care system. I, as I was sharing earlier, I'm opening a new public middle school and high school in three weeks and two days and have had a declining capacity to do anything other than just manage Robert Ewell's order for our meetings. And so I'm super happy to be part of this. And we'll be happy to serve in a vice chair role with you as things go, unless someone else is like who picked me vice chair and I'm happy to support that but it's it's nothing other than I do not have capacity to make sure that this group can be effective and do awesome work and so I'm excited to see more screen roll. So with that being said are there is there anyone else who wanted to put in that you have I've talked to most folks my big answer here would be know but for the chair role so that I would like to nominate flexes as the next chair or put in motion which could be seconded or and then we can vote on second and you all of new parks members can vote on each so all in favor
[17:50] Speaker B (unidentified): chair. Yeah, you know, yeah,
[17:54] Speaker A (unidentified): I will. Great. It is unanimous. We have a new commission chair. Nice. Congratulations. But I think I'm so excited to not feel like I'm not doing my job. But I'm excited to still stay on the commission. Would anybody else want, so the role of the vice chair tends to be there's an assumption like that you're the future chair in the waiting and there's also a role you can play in helping plan the agenda and if the chair can't attend you can help take the meeting. I feel like it would be a big ask to people entirely brand new to the commission to nominate, but is anybody interested in serving as Vice Chair? For that, I nominate myself in the Vice Chair role, but I would need a motion from somebody to nominate. Second? Second nomination. Thank you, Stephen. All those in favor? Great. It is unanimous. Okay, great. And I will facilitate. Okay, so now we get to go on to, actually, it looks like a lot, but I promise it's a super interesting part of the work we get to do. As part of our charter, as a commission, it's our job to weigh in on and invite into the city's annual capital improvement project priorities for the parks. You can tell based on this multi-year spreadsheet that this is a process that we undertake every year. We seek input from other groups, but generally speaking, this is where we get to learn from Alex about all the cool stuff that the city wants to try to do. There's always way more cool stuff than is possible to get funded. Maybe, someday. And so there's a degree of prioritization. There is also sort of an internal algorithm or set of like decision-making criteria the parks department uses to determine what capital improvement projects ultimately get recommended to the city. We are part of that, but not the soul. So things that might cause something to be a higher priority might be very difficult, you know, like there's, there's a part of the city that hasn't gotten investment. So we want to just that the existence of matching funds, stuff like that. But Alex can hop in. But so tonight, what we'll do is a lot of like learning, and then we vote and weigh in and off.
[20:51] Speaker B (unidentified): Did everybody just quickly before all this starts, did everybody receive the letter that went out to the friends group and neighborhood associations? Yes, I did add all of the new commissioners to that email group as a audience member, so anything we send to friends groups and neighborhood associations will go to you as well. I'm
[21:16] Speaker A (unidentified): excited to have everything back representing this, year we working with friends groups is part of the work we do. There are Marie Ray is not here tonight but represents steering park. Alright. And, so, but our goal is actually [Speaker B (unidentified): little represents everything.] That's right, David. Our goal also is to get community entities that are not friends groups to also be waiting in hopefully. So with that out.
[21:58] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, so just to read that a little bit about that. This is so the CID process is one of the major goals for one of the major tasks is a year round projects for us. Starts pretty much once this funds are approved in spring, we basically restart process. And so there's an educational or a more informational side of things that we'll that we'll discuss with the commission every spring, and get everybody up to speed on the final process will be this past spring with a little session go with like participation with the commission. So we ended up canceling one of our people meetings that fashion compared first cip is going to go over the whole test of the program, so how it all starts and we are very different from any other department city in the process that we go about it's very public and found this is we get a lot of input from neighborhood groups and friends groups, as to which projects folks want to see, right where the eyes go to the sides. Edmund and I, Edmund was our director for our department, and we worked very closely on kind of working through the 10-year CFPB list to have fun and gathering input from our staff as to how, like, the condition of amenities for structure in our open spaces are, what projects may be given off that list is based on evaluations and assessments, but then you also work with various groups to gather more data. So that input was just sent out, what, yesterday, is that what you said? That was yesterday. Two days ago. To gather that input with associations so they can input that information in form that will then, we'll get that information added to this list. If it's already on there, we don't need to add it. If it's something that is not eligible for a CID, we'll help that out there as well. If there's a new project that makes sense, that fits kind of our overall goal of our projects and needs, we will certainly get it on there. This list is constantly kind of shifting. thing there's a lot of projects that may some of them may not may no longer be needed some are like brand new ones that have popped up over the course of the year that we need to get on there maybe it's like a department or some sort of emergency thing that gets added to the list that may have may not have been there previously there is that whole selection criteria list that you can see in one of those documents that gives you kind of a basis of how the commission is supposed to look at these Projects and how you're going to prioritize a lot of them, how the city and Ethan and I look at it as well. We try to weigh balance, try not to have all park projects from district one or district two, which we do try to balance that otherwise. So once that, once that feedback has been, has been gathered through form, that is then the time for us to present that to the commission. It's just basically a first read. I'm going to give you that first read today, which we don't have that information from friends groups yet, but I'm going to kind of give you an overview of what the projects are going to look like for this coming cycle so that you have that information, and then we'll add it. If there's anything that needs to get added in, we'll certainly send that out to everybody. I use those sort of projects for the next business meeting, which is in two months. So the October meeting, when each of you will select three projects that are your top three, we'll go around and gather that information. So please ask questions throughout this or at the end or where you're comfortable. So I guess before I start to go through the project list, once you vote in October, over, we gather, we take that information and we lay that against our own internal kind of prioritization list based on a lot of the information we have on staff, just the way the projects have been planned to come. So we use both of those kind of scores, if you will, and then that information gets sent up to another level of city review which is, which has a few department directors and counselors that are scoring a lot of this information, and they're sending it to Danielle and Fred to review, sign off on before it gets to the finance, so that's a new process that started. But it's just another level of kind of taking all citywide projects and trying to score them and distribute the CIP dollars that we may have available to us. So it's a different process that we're still trying to get used to on our side as well. So this particular information that we get from the commission is very valuable in informing that list that gets sent out to that committee. So once that happens, they then send it to the finance committee, which is the beginning of each year, each calendar year. Gets to down in like February-ish time frame, then it goes to full council for vote in typically like the late March time, and then once it's voted at full council, we can then start using those funds. It does not line up with our fiscal year operating budget, the CIP dollars are offset by the So it's just a slightly different process for the principal operating and the operating. So that's kind of an overview of the timeline of it all. Is there any of that makes sense to folks? Are there questions about that? One
[28:31] Rob: question about, I'm sorry if it's in here somewhere. Is there a definition of a capital project versus an operating one?
[28:42] Speaker E (unidentified): And so in order to make it onto the CIP, this capital plan, it's $25,000 on itself.
[28:59] Speaker A (unidentified): I think the only thing we know as we go into this is the commission really only weighs in on parts. Right. Because I'm supposed to say the physical building associated with, like, recreation.
[29:11] Speaker E (unidentified): Yes, this list has the whole department. It's got the projects on there. So once you get to the bottom of the parts don't look for your like voting but you can look please like by all means look at what they are but don't have like any say on any of those the other questions before I kind of look and see or dive into some of the projects okay so this past year we and I was trying to pull up what the actual CID approved list was but I can't seem to find it I'm going to try and go off my memory the projects that we got this last cycle were Gearing Oaks roadway tennis court road Haven Gearing Oaks lighting improvements so that was for the baseball fields the basketball volleyball course and then general park lighting we also had Fitzpatrick track resurfacing. There was Will's playground design was definitely in there. We are in the middle of selecting the consultant for that. And that's Jones playground. Fencing, so citywide fencing repairs and replacements we have a ridiculous amount of chain link fencing around the city that is always falling apart on us and very dire straits so we have this kind of a general bucket for us to start tackling a lot of those projects because it is an eyesore and pretty dangerous to search for what else was there was also the additional long fellow of playground money would sit there to get us to the finish line of that well there was one project
[31:23] Speaker A (unidentified): The first light comment, which was like in there, but then it did not make the cut, but it was potential, it's potentially being funded by a federal grant, which is what sort of pushed it out. The first like problems with the new, formerly known as Farmer's House, did it be
[31:40] Speaker E (unidentified): known as first word it already is sorry it's first like comments that is the front thing yeah that process went through the whole council hey there anyways so yeah those are that's kind of the gist of some of those projects that this past year i 'm sure some more will so to go to kind of dive into this next year and this like again this list is constantly changing. It's not, these years and dollar figures are not set in stone, and we try to make sure we emphasize that, because when people are like, when people are, you know, noting that their project is seven years out, and you know, it's going to take that long to get there, that might not be the case necessarily. It could, it's listed in here as that, but there could be a circumstance that could potentially move it up, like private funding. It's usually a way for us to help those processes along. That's what we try to guide people on. If there's a long-range project that they want to get funded, we encourage folks to try and fundraise for that, whether it's just a private fundraising or grant funding, or working through the Parks Conservancy, ways to kind of match city funds, which lessens that burden of city CIP process. I don't think so, let's go, we'll just start from the top here. So Veering Oaks baseball and Quinn Field reconstruction, this is a new project that has never been on the list before, and was not something that we were necessarily seeing coming. There happens to be a stormwater separation project that is happening, that's starting at Hearing an overpass, and it's connecting over to State Streets Forest Avenue intersection, where they have two tie-ins there, this large pipe is actually at the front of the park. So it is running underneath Quinn Field, which is our multi-use field next to the basketball courts and during hosts, running along the tennis courts, and then running through the baseball field to get from point A to point B. So it's a much needed, it's part of our stormwater separation requirements that we have in the city. And it is the most cost-effective way, I guess, to get from what data could be. And so with that, they are only going to disturb so much of these fields with their project. So we're taking it as an opportunity to capitalize on that work and that reconstruction of portions of those fields and then trying to keep that entirely so that they're brand new and not just patched back together so we will in the end would have a brand new multi-use fields with it does it does need a lot of work still has significant amount of infield mix in there from the old softball field that just doesn't get used anymore so there's a lot of work that needs to get done that irrigation system is starting to age also. But they would, so we can, we have a brand new multi-use field, and then our baseball field has been on this list for quite a while to have be redone because it is a heavily used field for us. So this is a great opportunity for us to use or to leverage stormwater money to get a big portion of that project done and supplement it for parks. So that dollar figure is more of a placeholder until we identify the exact cost of the project. That's one thing which we should know. We had to put that one on there. Little League Field Lighting is a new addition that was brought to the full, this past CIP process at the city council level. So that is for the city council initiative to do some little league field fighting to our farm spaces. So primarily at Basin Park. I
[36:23] Speaker A (unidentified): have a question about this from the softball community. Are the little league fields available to softball football? Like from a gender stamp, gender equity standpoint, it's just baseball, right? Softball, they have softball
[36:41] Speaker E (unidentified): they have only has a softball part of their part of the portland league is softball, baseball and softball. So that would be supportive of those facilities too. It would be, yeah. So they would be lighting the two fields at asin, both of those are baseball. This
[37:04] Speaker A (unidentified): might be why it says
[37:10] Speaker E (unidentified): I don't have much more to say, I'll still leave it there. Moving down to cemeteries. So cemeteries, we have 17 cemeteries citywide, two of those are active. So we have a lot of 15 dormant areas that have not seen real maintenance other than mowing and trimming and tree removal or vegetation removal over the years. So there are some needs there, some fencing work that needs to get done, so perhaps some more extensive vegetation removal management in some of those spaces and some restoration work that needs to happen. A lot of the stones, I think, are starting to show up. So that funding would need to go towards restoring those spaces. The next one is mausoleum repairs. So that one, I don't have a whole lot to dive into on the extent of that one. We still are exploring the needs for that particular project. So, I will probably circle back to that. Yes. That is part of the questions that I need to get answers to. There's a lot of legality and agreements and everything that are in the archives to try and figure out how different spaces are managed in the cemetery. And that's one that I need a little more clarity on before I broadcast why it's in there and
[39:06] Rob: what we can do. But it was like a hill looking down towards the ponds. Yes.
[39:14] Speaker A (unidentified): So it's an evergreen. Yes.
[39:19] Speaker E (unidentified): So turning to the next page, so we're on the back side, we have this one was on the project list last year or this last cycle and did not make the cut but here we go it's tennis and basketball court crack mill and overlay that facility is our heaviest used tennis and pickleball facility city there's a number of courts there and there we're starting to see some pretty significant cracking going on in that surface it's becoming a little bit unsafe safe and so this process would actually fill out a lot of those cracks and the top layer that fill in those fill in those gaps and resurface it and then add some support surfacing so our just to give you an idea of sport surfacing so the green and the blue painting that you see in the binding and everything is typically something that needs to happen in seven years ideally it's a little less than that we've been we have we don't we're not always granted a large amount of money to go towards that process so it could be seven years could be eight to be nine see a lot of crafting happening in a lot of our a lot of those facilities so climate is a little challenging to manage asphalt services so this is a very substantial It's a huge facility, but it's very, much needed because of how many users are on those courts, from 411i to a daily dozens and dozens of pickleball players that are coming into there. We've been talking actually about converting a few of the last tennis courts to dedicated pickleball courts so that we can accommodate those users because they are there every single day. So it's a hot topic. Why I've got the smile on my face right now. Yes. There are. There are. I've heard about this movie. They are. They are. And they're a significant user of these courts right now and we only have one dedicated to the law facility program except which is at talbot school and just renovated those courts for that use so having something more centralized on the peninsula side of things would go a long way with how frequently they are getting used I'll stop there. Questions so far. Let's see. So the next one, park infrastructure. This is a newer one that's popped up, which is City Hall Plaza Design and Engineering. We maintain that plaza and the landscaping aspect of it. We do all the snow removal. We're responsible for feeding the mobile land and funding this overall, our department is. So that one does fall kind of within our department realm and primarily on the park side. But this one has kind of quickly moved its way towards the top, just based on how many issues we're seeing in there. because we can't keep trees, the trees are struggling. That space, we would like to be brushing that up, that space. So we need to start with the design, and then we would work towards stretching the dollars down the road. So that's a placeholder to kind of give us a minute to talk about it in order to figure out what that means to have it this year or perhaps a future.
[43:37] Speaker A (unidentified): Yes. I know the number of big planters that you guys have been putting out. That's really nice. Are they like a dedicated project or is that sort of a component of reinvigorating certain spaces or the art district towards that like that cip project or vibrating yeah that's true so the planters themselves yeah or the sort of maintenance and sort of
[44:14] Speaker E (unidentified): yeah so we maintain them so we work closely with downtown districts and they have been the ones actually funding the purchase of those planters and we've been adding a couple every year to that and they've been going really well like they add some color vibrancy to downtown and then our horticulture team is the one that maintains throughout the year so they plant them and then they'll make safe water and everything so that's kind of where that yeah okay yeah thank you another so the next one is A little bit of a big ticket item that is near and dear to many people's hearts, but the waiting pool, the ravine at Deering Oaks, is, it's a struggle to maintain that space every year because the, there is like a natural stream and water table that kind of runs through and underneath that space, so the concrete there is rather fragile and it absorbs a lot of water, so it's really hard to adhere and get paint to adhere very well. So every single spring our team is in there for a couple of days scraping, repatching the concrete, repainting it all. That happens every single spring like right before we open it back up, and it's getting worse and worse. Like it's not just a couple spots, it's becoming like a really big deal. And so we need to basically, you need to basically go to the bottom of that ravine so that it's not something that's challenged every single season. And yeah, it's more of a smoother and more safer space. That is where that one comes from. East End recreational boat ramp. I don't know if folks utilize that space much, but it is a bit of a navigational and safety challenge. Challenge, there's a significant amount of rebar that will pop up and is that causes some safety concerns that we have to come in and cut out, as well as a lot of the concrete slabs are starting to crack and break away, and so there's a lot of asphalt patchwork that's happening in there, so we are trying to leverage cip dollars to match and we're looking at a small harbors program brand right now, so the ship brand would be they can, they can, I think it's up to 100, I can't remember what the actual cap is on that, we would only 150 dollars to go towards that 150 50 000 of their dollars, so we were looking to match that eastern prom cutter street design, so this one's been on there for a couple of years and we're working with department of public works, so that's dpw, and figuring out whether, I guess, who was going to be kind of driving ship on that one and getting that designed for cutter street folks affected out there, it's kind of in similar condition to what Tennis Court Road was like and Deering Hills Park. Asphalt, curving, sidewalks are kind of deteriorating. It's a lot of potholes, cracking, and roadway challenges there. So that project is on the list for a few years now. I'm hoping that we can find a way to prioritize that and start that process so we have at least an infinite dedicated site there. Eastern Prom, Staircase, and park electrification. So this was one that was on this past CIP, did not make the cut. This is to accomplish two projects. One is the stairs from the police monument down to the mid-lot and the second one is to actually install the electric electricity in the mid-lot. So we have the engineer plans the cost estimates of that on both of those projects so this is kind of a combined effort to get both of them fencing so again this is another allocation of city-wide fencing for us to keep going on a lot of that work have a bucket this past spring but he's still up with that a lot of those fencing projects are very expensive and they're very long stretches and dollars when they go so far so we're just trying to keep up with that you can see there's a couple of gaps gap years in between we kind of wanted to do a big blast for a few years and then take a couple years off and another allocation you'll see that in a you know a few of these instances for general maintenance-related things, like court resurfacing, general and various court resurfacing projects would be like an allocation of money, a year or two off, and then another allocation just to keep up with that process because it isn't an ongoing thing. It's a little different than some of our other projects that are later on, which is 20-year maintenance.
[50:01] Speaker A (unidentified): So this all can also address the back post over to this bridge, like or is that more of a CW? DOT. DOT.
[50:13] Speaker E (unidentified): That goat trail is an interesting one because it is from Franklin all the way over the bridge towards Bates is DOT property that we were lucky to have a trail network built on so now the question is, who is responsible for major to that space? So we're trying to find out who actually is going to pay, or if it's a shared thing.. But we also have the bridge on the north side of that's going to connect the route over to the treatment plant. So there will be a pedestrian passageway that's not two piece bridge, it's a little separate, separated, so you still would have to have to go down and around under the bridge to get over to that. So it'll be a little funky on the back of trail to get to that bridge because it's on the opposite side of two pieces, but it will be, it will be an amenity there for folks they choose not to go through that gauntlet. Let's see, so on the next page we have a another fence project, so this is Lincoln Park you have the, you have some funding for from the friends that just accepted to begin this next leg of the project. So we have one more side to go, which is Federal Street, and then we're hoping that last edge on Franklin is done with the Franklin Street design project, so we're not going to touch that side until that whole project is figured out. Hopefully that project is what on that part, so frank, Federal Street is the last phase that we need to complete. So like I said, we have some friends group funding that we're trying to move forward with right now, and then but we do need additional funds to actually do some installation, so their funds are only going to go so far with just purchasing some of the materials right now, and then some additional funds
[52:38] Speaker A (unidentified): So Lincoln Park is right where like you go past on Franklin Street or on Congress, and there's a historical fence basically like that's been, it's not reconstructed, what would be that would be described restored, yeah, and back to its overlay some of us, it's most it's installed
[53:03] Speaker E (unidentified): stone and wood, it's not even iron, yeah, that's good until the iron has to get they have the sand glass all the old, all the rust and the paint off, probably make a lot of repairs to some of those rods, and then patch, and then repaint it. We also have to restore or replace all the faces of each of those pillars that are going around. So they're all on one side until they bring them to the fence. They take the fence panels off-site to the shop, yeah, and you have to custom order the brand cases, yeah, it's quite a long process, the two sides that I think do look, but we do have a very unsightly sign. Next one is park walkways, so we have a number of just asphalt walkways, there are a lot of park spaces that have a number of safety issues related to them, a lot of cracking, a lot of missing, some re-grading. We're leveling work on some of those spaces, so this is just similar to the fencing, city-wide fencing. This just needs to tackle some of the park walkways that you've sent out around the space, whether it's Eastern Prom, Deering Oaks, Dory Field. There's a number of these community connections, Case and Park connections and some of that work done. Let's see, Western Prom Valley Street, stone retaining wall. So this is one that has had a couple of phases done, have this last stretch that gets you to the switchback, the start of the switchback trail that this project has been on the list for probably been at the front of the list for like five years I think and has not been funded yet and prioritized yet so it's been waiting its turn but there is a lot of building that's falling off of the facade of this lower wall right there 's a bunch of pieces that are missing it looks really shabby and it's possibly falling down so we just need to reconstruct that last section right to the next side so we're into playgrounds now so playground to give you a little bit of a background on our playground process we have 30 playgrounds city-wide and each playgrounds typically needs to be replaced every 20 years of life expectancy you can have for the structures and you can take your real estate so that means we need to replace one and a half playgrounds every year to kind of cover that we have not been able to do that it's a substantial amount of money that goes so we have been picking up the pace on a lot of those so let's pretend those replacements hopefully setting ourselves up for more longevity out of our park space and out of our playground spaces so that it may not need to be 20 years it might be able to get 25 but get 30 try to take them a little try to naturalize some of them but also minimize the replacement that need to get done once it comes to mind so that the dollar figure is not 750,000 every time it's want to replace the playground it's like a piece of equipment or maybe it's just two pieces from so this first one that you see here is various locations for playground equipment so that is kind of this bucket of money that the our that our staff would have to replace a larger piece of equipment that wouldn't necessarily get done out of our operating company it costs too much like a neck climber for instance if all of a sudden that gets damaged and we can replace that whole structure is probably like a $30,000 project. We don't have that by operating money to do it. So we really are looking to have this set bucket of money pulled from. So we've replaced these pieces that come up. There's slides that probably replaced two or three slides every year. Each one of those slides is $5,000 in various locations around the city. So it becomes hard with our operating up with all the repairs that need to be done. So that would be a similar allocation to like fencing work or court resurfacing for just another pot of money that we can pull from to some smaller but large maintenance projects. Because I'm Scott, playground design, so that's going to be our next big school playground project and we're anticipating that one to be just as or more expensive ones are doing right now so it could be another 750 or more as it hasn't been done in five years we need to start that process so by designing it and that is for the next CIP request which is our construction dollars so we start with the 50 000 that gets our gets that process rolling they work through the whole design process over the course of that next year work with the schools the neighborhood of the parks commission and others and our staff come up with that one-side process and for us to ask for from a policy and that it's so questions
[59:31] Speaker B (unidentified): yeah questions so
[59:39] Speaker A (unidentified): when you gather again the September will be over so on September but we sort of like break up our business first allows our committees to do some work but when we get together in October their request will be you literally go around and everyone means their top three priorities based on their perspective so you can ask there might be some new additions or some chips but hopefully this information will give you a starting point and it really it's not intended to be like super stressful process but it's an opportunity to say like hey a really value playgrounds i think we should prioritize that well we happen to represent our neighborhood but it's a lot of information and so please know you know it's this is not the first time you can ask a question and when we have the times if people are like you remind me of this what this project is or those types of things please ask and alex will have the answer
[1:00:46] Speaker E (unidentified): There's a lot on the list. There's a lot for me to
[1:00:50] Speaker A (unidentified): wrap my head around at times, too. So, with prioritizing
[1:00:53] Kayleigh Quainey: Our top three, are you trying to come under a certain budget that you end up proceeding with? Or how... I know, sorry, you mentioned this at the beginning. There's been a lot of that, so I just wanted to try and understand that it's not just prioritizing a brief project, but it's the budgetary element and how you consider which ones you will actually
[1:01:16] Speaker E (unidentified): We don't necessarily follow the budget table, like that's where the finance director, city manager, they've been guided on what the CIP dollars are like in a given year. We submit our priority lists based on the project priority, not the dollar figures, And then it is their job to figure out how are those going, how are the projects all going to fit within this money that we have to work with, and the city council of course gets to make that final decision process as well. So while the dollar figures are important to me, if we're asking for an important project, projects, you probably know we're only going to get like that and then one small project if they give it to you. We are usually only allocated. It does vary. It has recently, it was more like one and a half million for a while and then it has kind of, it ebbs and flows. So there's, yeah, it depends on the projects, depends on the priority level of those divide and how that how that can move council certainly has their you know
[1:02:39] Speaker A (unidentified): And there are times when something is a hybrid like for example first line of commons that was a high priority project from the parks permit that wasn't funded through this process but by like raising the priority to contain you know a candidate for another pool of money that may or I mean, I can say for myself, sometimes it's helpful just to drive by some of the different top projects
[1:03:10] Rob: Of the West, just
[1:03:13] Speaker A (unidentified): Because it's hard to have a lot of familiarity with some of the parks. So I do actually remember visiting the Western Front site like three years ago. Not any better. No. Sadly, a lot. There's just like a lot of city infrastructure that exists like the retaining wall for the during the park pond that like ran along state street right that would show up you know like wait it sparks responsibility to like hold state street from dropping using the bomb but there's also like a lot of projects I'm personally disappointed is movable contract did not make it priority list so just to say yeah well maybe there's a conservancy plan I think that might be the plan yeah okay any other Questions? Otherwise, we will come prepared with your opinions or questions. I do highly recommend going out. It's something
[1:04:21] Speaker E (unidentified): great, even if you're starting projects that are happening right now, long double playground. It's It's all fenced off and under-demoed, and that work is happening right here at the school playground. Another one that's a lot of the pathway work is already getting done, that demo has already occurred. You go to Tiringo, you can see these beautiful new sidewalks along Dennis Carter Road. It is like night and day there. It really is amazing to see that. And then you can also see the Union Branch Trail that's still under construction but getting very close there as well. So it kind of gives you an idea of like what visually some of these things look like when that work is done, you know, processing things very
Unfinished Business
[1:05:05] Speaker A (unidentified): good. Okay, we will move on to old business. Sounds strange, but this is just stuff that we've been talking about that goes agenda, and typically it's like standing and things, so on the parks commission we try to have folks to serve on committees because we are a public commission. There are aspects of public meeting law that do apply to us that show up in how we can do work together outside of meetings. So essentially, if there are more than two people who are meeting from this commission to talk about trust business, we have to offer public notification that meeting is happening, in addition to like location and notification tends to be all a thing, and so a week in advance, yes, a week in advance. And so it can sometimes be hard to like get a lot of work done with a bigger group of people, so we typically over the last year have been using workshops every other meeting to have that be a place where if there's many work that we want more inputted on or a number of people want to get together, we do that there. This is an aspect of the public meeting law that I find particularly annoying, but we follow it. That being said, a committee of two, we do you. All good? You can come and share back. Our committees that exist, not for our charter, but have been standing committees, we have our outreach committee, many, which has included work around developing this list, for example, of like, when we send the CIP request out, figuring out like, how do we get to the information out to people is also included, what was formerly known as the green space gathering. So in our charter, we were required every year to engage friends groups around the CIP process. And then also, historically had done a meeting plus like some sort of public component. So there were years where we did like a public panel outside Lights of Elementary, or like it was a share out outside Lights of Elementary to learn about the Portland Viewport, for example. Two years ago we had, we decided that there's a community engagement is not the same as friendship groups education around CIP process. So Donna, Alexis, a couple others I'm trying to remember who we're meeting, organized our first party in the park, which was just an outdoor community engagement event where we invited the master gardener and we talked at Payson, there was kind of music and just, we've been trying to figure out how we are the body that is sort of like hearing public, getting people to like come in and give public comments, engage, how to be more visible. Have folks had a chance to, like, read the charter? We can share more. So we actually, for this meeting, for everyone at a vacation, just kind of printed out the charter. So at your leisure, if you want to do it now, you can read through it and see what our duties are. We should clarify that currently duty number one, so it's being encouraging and accepting private contributions to not handle Conservancy essentially, so that's kind of taken off our plate. But the other ones are things that we do undertake including like that mentioned outreach, as well as other things like the reports, you know report to probably talk about a little bit, but it was helpful that distills what we are meant to do. There is some helpful context around like when this charter was produced so the commission came into existence at a moment in time where there were concerns about the ability for the public to have input on specifically the potential sale of a public property. So the committee was created in response to like to some concerns about I'm trying to remember the exact part that it was. Yes, which was a burden because the public was like, hey, you can't just, and so it was creative based, but so like the public should actually have a way of approving of the acceptance and potentially, you know, like sale of these public assets. At the time, there was not a park conservancy, so there was no fundraising or foundation type organization that was doing that work. There also was not a land bank commission, where it was in a different format. And so the land bank committed permission to sort of supply a lot of the shit out of the way.
[1:10:09] Rob: That one I thought, I don't know if it's for you. Yeah.
[1:10:11] Speaker A (unidentified): But basically, the land bank managed and then acquired non-park properties, basically, for
[1:10:20] Rob: Yeah, that's the gist of it. We mainly require undeveloped open space. That's sort of our job to either scout out properties and to maintain as we already do.
[1:10:35] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, field trip. I was not able to join, but I heard this one. And so one of the things that we've been wrapping our head around, our priority is commissions to get clear on like, but what do we do now that like some of those things have changed? How do we have better coordination between conservancy and the commission and us around things like human learning? I remember when I first joined the commission, I sat in like two different meetings where our staff were having to present to two different groups on the same topic kind of stuff. And so there are opportunities for us to get there, but in terms of the work of the commission, there's some work that happens in this venue, the hearing of public comment, the voting on sometimes permits that come through. So the back boat music festival is a great example of something that came through the commission to get hearing and have us basically make a recommendation. The other thing that we tend to do as a group is if there's a substantive issue that's going to council that relates to the parks, we sometimes will issue like a group comment. So for example, we sent a comment in case folks were watching, there were some questions about, like, the finalization of the, which park was it that Councilor Flanagan and others were a little... Noice Park? Noice Park. Oh, no, it was completing, it was, like, putting forward the final C2P dollars to finish a project.
[1:12:13] Speaker E (unidentified): Oh, that's Congress Park. Congress Park, okay.
[1:12:16] Speaker A (unidentified): So there were, like, questions about, like, hey, this has taken so long, why, you know, should we continue funding? We felt like it was our responsibility as a commission to put forward a statement and say that this was prioritized for CFPB. It's taken longer, but the community needs our assistance to finish it. We've also weighed in on issues including the food truck situation, off-leash dog behavior, as well as, like, some statements around policy, around some of our communities struggling with campaign and their voices of art. And so, when we do make those statements, generally, as practice, we decide when we make it, we have the opportunity to all come together to discuss what we would say and to have consensus. Because in the past, you know, it was like a chair and vice chair thing when there were differences of opinion, so in terms of the mini work there is the outreach committee which organizes what was green space and has been already in the park. This year we had trouble getting enough commissioners to be able to like really do that work, folks who are joining us, that group also does meaning outreach standing, the second group that has been working on that special project. Sure. And I'm going to just briefly mention something about the outreach. So I don't know if you've all grabbed it, but we have a printout here of the list of friends groups and some neighborhood associations that Jess printed out for everybody. The bulk here is that in addition to the blast that Jess sends out and that we can as a group kind of led by the outreach committee be a little bit more proactive in updating this list, because every year some people drop off the list, you know, the contact for each of these organizations may change, so we're hoping that each of us here might sort of take on a couple of these blind item groups is to go to verify that it actually is a person out of person or while the organization's actually exists a contact email on their site so you could do it by organization versus the actual person possible, so anyways if you are out through the challenge and can take like four to reach out to directly, we found that the direct outreach is far more successful sometimes and it's basically just sort of script the process or offer me this liaison which is kind of in our charter to these groups and say you know this email went out, we're soliciting input towards the project if you have any suggestions we'd love to hear them. Just try to find new ways to reach them. So that's that part. This is also in our Google Drive to share. In terms of this special projects committee, so Jamie and I, Jamie Parker, who's kind of cutting trails, and he and I have been slowly working on a interpretive signage for Jerry Luke's part. I actually have a little thing I can show, Jess. I don't know if it's possible for me to connect. I can't. No. I don't know.
[1:15:53] Speaker B (unidentified): I mean, without it being an attachment to the agenda.
[1:15:56] Speaker A (unidentified): That's fine. I can share it next.
[1:15:59] Speaker B (unidentified): I mean, I sent you a, you can handle this link on, like.
[1:16:04] Speaker E (unidentified): I would just share it and ship it off with.
[1:16:07] Speaker A (unidentified): Share it with them. It's just a PDF of maps. That's fine.
[1:16:12] Speaker E (unidentified): I would just share it. We'll share it in the next. Yeah, we'll do this for the next day. I might send it out.
[1:16:17] Speaker A (unidentified): You can also email all of us. Yes. You can say, hey, I referred to it. Yeah. So at the next workshop, Jamie and I basically met with a librarian at. Yes, we agreed. Thank you. Yes. And we looked at possible maps of Jerry Oaks in terms of finding an avenue, kind of, at least a topic or theme for this interpretive signage. We really want to integrate some, I guess, Wabanaki history, too, although there's obviously a very specific process for soliciting feedback and engaging with the community in order to bring on that content. And so we're also looking for something that we had some comfort level in terms of being accessible to it. So maps was a good way to start that process. So we have a bunch of maps that we found. The library here, too, is really helpful. We'll share those as a topic to look at the evolving natural history of the park, which is a really interesting topic. And sort of visual, but we'll share that next. Some additional context on that project is there was signage in Deering Oaks Park that was highly insensitive to potentially the different histories that folks might tell specifically around the Battle of Deering Oaks. And so the signage specifically was told from a like a strongly settler colonial perspective around the history of that space, and so that's where we have the opportunity to get some charts about that. There are future science projects should we want to undertake them, or interpretive projects like eastern problem where there's a shellman. I had no idea that's shellman. Sorry I said that. It did not sound like two words. But whole parts of ours, we don't know about it. We're not expert enough to recognize them. So it's historically doing some signage work. So the Baxter Trail, the Governor Baxter Trail, was historically a project that was undertaken. And then the last committee is the Finance Annual Report Committee, which is my shame. We're supposed to issue an annual report to the council about products were done and priorities we have priorities grappled with. Anyone wants to help in like just saving budgets and things like that, and then shine that would be helpful. That's really done by the chair. So the, what I would say the opportunity with that work is to kind of get clarity and try to articulate what are we trying to do as commission. We have seven priorities that I can share that were drafted for that report.
[1:19:29] Speaker B (unidentified): And I'll need to finish it. That's it.
[1:19:33] Speaker A (unidentified): Those are good things, yeah? So think about where you might want to plug in. And then, Haley, do you want me to plug in something? And we will talk about that. We talk about it a bit more at the workshop. And now we have standing communications and updates. Alex, for our commission report.
[1:19:57] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, are there any questions that folks have on that report, on reviews, a number of things that are going on right now with replanting or on house or kind of our monthly on house report to give you an idea of where we are today based on historical figures, update on a few of the different projects that are full of work, but also completion. So we do have a ribbon cutting for our water bridge next week. So that will be next month. I think we have one at Sprout Water Preserve behind the development there. A really cool bridge. That's completed this spring. So I highly recommend checking it out. I've seen the trails and things like that.
[1:20:57] Speaker A (unidentified): Alex, will there also be a small ribbon cutting for our first site?
[1:21:02] Speaker E (unidentified): Well that yes I don't know if we've fully identified what that's going to be yet and I think the question is do we want to have something that would be a little gray looking or do we want to wait until it's like all bright and green and has artwork and everything in it for the spring so there's a yeah we'll have to figure that out So you
[1:21:34] Speaker A (unidentified): can either emails for things like that, like you'll get any questions and land-based mission for
[1:21:46] Rob: You not be too much. I know Meeting updates, but we had our annual ending trip in June. So we visited two separate sites to which are Mostly playmate properties. There's some ask parts their respective acquisitions Another one that we're hoping to acquire soon is called Davis Pines out on the border of Jammet. It's a pretty new property. It has pine trees. It's one of the only old-growth, one of seven old-growth white pine stands in the state. So if we get it out there, it's definitely going to stay. day. Yeah, I think our next meeting will provide me some updates regarding that, but nothing at this point.
[1:22:39] Speaker A (unidentified): If folks like have desire to do things like that, who can try to be better at organizing, you know, oh, I'd love to go out and we had a chance to do things like that. Well, thank you. Last item agenda is Commissioner requests for agenda items. The staff seems like a silly thing, but is the thing we struggle probably the most with, figuring out the agenda. This meeting was very CIP driven. We have lots and lots of opportunities to learn about what's happening at First, and really smart people on the First step. Sometimes we have meetings that are very highly driven by public comment or something that's more urgent, but if you have questions about like, oh, I'd really love an update on where our project is, or you know, I'd love to learn about how the city does fun back parks. For me becomes a snow removal department in winter, which is a crazy, slightly crazy thing, but there's an amazing video that you can watch, but even aspects of like what's happening. If we have a running list of things people want to learn about, it makes it a little easier to not feel completely arbitrary. We
[1:23:53] Rob: appreciate it. I actually
[1:23:58] Speaker A (unidentified): I'm just kind of curious, what is the status of Congress, now that the funding has been allocated?
[1:24:17] Speaker E (unidentified): There was partial funding, so there was $200,000 of figures on request, then $200,000 for the going towards state park lighting. Really? Yes. Don't worry, I've been trying to get electricity installed there, so the light seems good, so that project is, see, it's so planning is running that one. I believe it's either out to bid right now, I can't remember, but it is in the process.
[1:25:00] Rob: I have monthly meetings as well.
[1:25:03] Speaker B (unidentified): Very fun to watch. Planning.
[1:25:04] Speaker E (unidentified): I don't think they cover that, though. Planning. No. Planning. Okay. So there, we just knocked off that event. Yeah. Okay.
[1:25:14] Speaker A (unidentified): So context with skateboard lighting is that probably one of the most impassioned groups we've ever had submit public comment was the a group of state, like an organized skateboard group that came in and passionately argued for lighting, because as a as a community like utility, it was extremely hard to use for kids after school, particularly in the months where we don't have sites. It was a pretty powerful. So it's exciting here, like that's what happens when there's comments, even though in the moment It was like, we don't know quite what to tell you about what to do. It can actually create some business. Well, then I have a suggestion. As you remember, what month of March, April, I joined the men join Hill meeting that Alex and Jen presented at, and there was a lot of interested in the playground, the Eastern Promenade playground. Those markets were also redesigned, and it was a great conversation. There's a group that's really engaged out there, and then they started talking about what does the design process look like, and Alex was explaining, like, we want your opinion, we want your thoughts, and we'll probably do it in phases. I'm paraphrasing your words here, Alex, but I thought that was really helpful, and it might be kind of cool for the whole parks commission to see as the project once they're all funded and it's starting to go through how do, how does that community engagement piece work and play out in real life, because part of our parks commission role is about engagement, so that's like being engaged for one particular project. This is ringing a bell. Do you remember that [Speaker B (unidentified): That conversation, yeah.] Because there was a lot of appetite for more updates and how does that happen? How could we facilitate that? But people wanted to see initial designites and weigh in on options as they were being presented. So I just don't know how that traditionally plays out. And I wonder if we could learn more about it.
[1:27:26] Speaker E (unidentified): Maybe I'll invite a project manager to talk to them. Yeah, exactly.
[1:27:36] Speaker B (unidentified): I jotted down project management and community engagement as like that just, I'm just taking notes over here as the future adjust items, so
[1:27:50] Rob: does the department have a, even an amateur video that would show you some of the parks and places that, But some of the names and places that you reference during the CIP process, I can't quite picture where they are. I've probably driven by or walked by them all the time, and I just didn't know that was the name of it. Of course, I know the big ones, but there are some I wondered if I was thinking at first is a field trip worth it,, but maybe it's more efficient to just show the video that was kind of,
[1:28:36] Speaker E (unidentified): yeah, we don't have like a video score of that at this time. Jess has worked very hard to maintain, yeah, maintain the website. Our website has a grid of all parks.
[1:28:51] Speaker B (unidentified): If you search parks grid on the city of Portland website, it will bring up the parks grid that we have, and it's kind of interactive in that you click on it and it'll open up directly to that park page. It has some walking tours, it has, you know, things. But under construction, everything has a page, but I'm reorganizing everything so
[1:29:17] Speaker A (unidentified): So, yeah, there's photos. Yeah, the parts, the parts there. Yeah, that's a professional
[1:29:24] Speaker B (unidentified): over the years that we've been trying to incorporate. We're going to get some more, you know, images and process. So it's good. Great.
[1:29:37] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, any other additions to agenda? If not, we can have a motion to vote. We only need one. We don't need a second. Thank you. Thanks everybody. You're welcome.
[1:30:04] Rob: Go with the, I don't know, like, grand portico.