Land Bank Commission reviews funding increase and property updates

[1:37] Speaker A (unidentified): I saw that I can't do tomorrow. I didn't look at the section. [1:43] Speaker B (unidentified): Potentially we're only going to be able to cover so much. [1:48] Speaker A (unidentified): Whatever, yeah, maybe I'll look at that again to see about the other day, and I know the land bank property pretty well. Everything would have been there. I don't know when they're all executed. Yeah. Well, I will try to find out. So yeah, let me know if you find out. I was trying to get through the second day of this. [2:11] Speaker C (unidentified): So yeah, we haven't, you're like, okay, oh, so you guys are like right now ready to start. All right, I'm going to call the meeting to order. This is a May 13th, 2026 [2:49] Speaker A (unidentified): Land Bank Commission meeting. I wanted to open up the meeting with our citizen comment and see if there are any general citizen comments before we get started. I think this, I have a general [3:09] Anne Somel: comment and I've been in touch with Alice Marshall and I know, could you, I'm so sorry, but the room [3:14] Speaker E (unidentified): camera did not pick you up back there. Do you mind just coming up here? I apologize, but if you're standing next to the podium, we'll be able to hear what you're saying. [3:23] Anne Somel: I don't know if this is the right time. It's not an agenda item, but Alice is like, do [3:27] Speaker C (unidentified): you want to come and just give the general public? This should be the time. Yeah. Yeah. [3:31] Speaker E (unidentified): You have three minutes. Okay. [3:34] Anne Somel: I'm Anne Somel and I've been talking with Alice a little bit about working on a play area or a sort of a park area in the flat meadow just below University Park where the trail comes out, and I live on Woodlawn, so just on the other side, and just sort of like general support for that is really high in our neighborhood. Lots of kids, there's long walks to any playgrounds, and you have to go over either here on KFO or to Lyseth or Longfellow are the closest players, and there's lots of kids in the neighborhood and Divot One is, but yeah, we have a lot of enthusiasm and are willing to put in some work, and I've got some fundraising, so just like a not a full-size a playground, I know those were super expensive, but something that's, so anyway, hoping that I don't like a decision not be made, but here hopefully he'll fall rolling, but just [4:45] Speaker A (unidentified): thank you very much. Yeah, and just procedurally and we really appreciate any time when people want to come. If it eventually becomes an agenda item, it would be more structured. We'd have discussion. We'd have stuff in our packet. So we haven't had any of that. But always appreciate a heads up that there's interest in it and appreciate you coming and letting us know that. [5:15] Anne Somel: Well, thanks for doing all your work with the land bank and everything else. Great. Thank you again. I appreciate your help. [5:28] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay. I don't see anyone else public comment we can move on to the agenda items we have minutes from April 8th in our packet is there any amendments or and or a motion to accept the minutes. Motion to accept. And it's made by Simon to accept. I'll second. And second by Josh. All those in favor? And Dan's not here. [6:05] Speaker C (unidentified): I missed the last meeting, so I'm still here. [6:07] Speaker A (unidentified): Everybody but Dan, because he wasn't here. Great. We'll move on to new business and see if we have anything on the secretary's plate. [6:23] Speaker C (unidentified): I guess the only kind of question I have, two items. Just the first is the status of the annual report. I can't remember if that has gone to the city council yet. [6:33] Speaker A (unidentified): Or yes, it did. Okay, it passed unanimously to be accepted. I was there, I spoke. I just can't remember the exact date of the council meeting. I can go back and look in my calendar, April. I'll look before I leave, Jess, and let you know what I had my calendar for that, for what that happened. Thanks for the reminder on that. It did happen, it passed unanimously, it was very quick. I don't think there were any questions. By the way, there was another issue at hand we'll talk about later during that meeting which Stole the thunder a little bit from our annual report related to the land bank and the public parks commission in terms of our funding. So that's more that happened going on related to the CIP and budgeting that the council was working on that night, and there were amendments. I happened to be there to do the report, but I also spoke in favor of us getting more money at the land bank and also for the arts commission. We can talk about that in a little bit, but that was, both of those things happened. [7:56] Speaker C (unidentified): Great. Okay. The only other thing I was going to mention is I'm planning to, now that the annual report is complete, I was going to spend some time just trying to look at some of the files on the drive and the archives and all the files just in general. Evidence, if anyone has any feedback as they're looking at the we'll drive to someone else. [8:20] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, that's great Dan, appreciate that. If there's any directive we might have for individual commissioners to go in and look at things, or weed through projects they've been working on, or anything like that, just let us know. If you have any recommendations for others who might be familiar with the projects or something, that's one thing that comes to mind. I'm thinking of myself, but there may be others. [8:48] Speaker E (unidentified): You should have access to the project, the third project spreadsheet, but if you do not, let me know and I can send you an invite to that spreadsheet. It's in the share drive, so I think you should have access to it, but that was the one document that Ethan and I think looked at that needed updating as to who's working on what. They think the last time it was updated [9:13] Speaker C (unidentified): was last year or maybe last fall. Yeah, okay, oh I see, so this is the assignment inspection. Yeah, okay, great, yeah, thanks, I'll get to that updating done. Okay, I see that here. Any [9:38] Speaker A (unidentified): anything else Dan? No, that was it, thanks. Okay, thank you. [9:43] Speaker C (unidentified): we can move on to treasurer sure so two items news items 50 000 that was sort of in question for the 2022 allocation was confirmed by amber so that was accurate and sort of to what you just noted we already imposed the 2027 cip allocation and because of the increase in amounts that 's 230 000 that brings our total account balance to about 775 000 subtract i guess funds that we've allocated but not entirely spent that brings our estimated balance to about 725 000. [10:32] Speaker A (unidentified): Thank you. Let's talk about the allocation a little bit. This was something that's been bantered around for a while in terms of what's half a percent of CIP. Both land bank and public arts are in the same position where the ordinance identifies half a percent of CIP monies. Without a lot of long history, which I don't know, at some point the finance office has kept both organizations at $50,000. It turns out that the Corporation Council didn't agree that was correct, and in fact we should be getting half a percent of the CIP, not a capped number that was determined internally, because the City Council is actually the only ones, as it's identified in ordinance, who can do that, and the City Council never did that, so they reversed burst it. And now this year's allocation, instead of 50,000, was 230,000. Same for Public Arts Commission. And same moving forward, unless there is some policy change by the council to that effect, which essentially would have to amend the ordinance. So that'll be an annual, it'll change because the amount of CIP changes, but the half a percent will be steady moving forward. [12:09] Speaker C (unidentified): I'm assuming it's not going to be retroactive for these CFP allocations? [12:18] Speaker A (unidentified): No, I heard no discussion. Yeah, no discussion. It's just silent. Any questions on treasury stuff? Anything, budget? [12:40] Speaker C (unidentified): Budget money that Rob just identified. [12:49] Speaker A (unidentified): One comment I will make, some of the discussion during this session with the City Council about the increased monies did indicate that we have a much more robust annual budget than the public art folks. And I think they have regularly been spending on projects with an increasing cost, just like our land, and have less of a history of keeping a budget because ours is so cyclical when opportunities arise. I do think it would behoove us to think about getting dollars out the door for projects, particularly now that we know we'll be getting more lives would be more competitive on the market. I think it's, you know, it's great we have more monies, but we should get more aggressive about spending them, because it was a couple of counselors I won't mention who brought this up as, you know, why would we give money if they don't needed sort of thing, and I think, you know, corporation council rightly pointed out the ordinances, the law, and that doesn't really matter about why or why not, it's just what the law says, and they chose to follow the gentleman. I'm surprised, right? You know, corporation council's got us, it's followed the law, so it was just a little bit of a wake-up for me about, you know, really using these funds where we can and not be so shy about bigger price tags. There's just a reality to the business, and we know we're going to get a bigger challenge every year. Yeah. And sorry, we merged those two agenda, and that's actually a separate agenda to the treasury. So I think we've covered that one. Any other questions, thoughts about that? We can move on to 1133 Washington. I know we got a scorecard. We also know this property sold, which I don't think was new, right? I don't remember when that happened, but maybe when we originally started that scorecard, it hadn't yet. Maybe you can remind us. [15:29] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, I think when the public comment was received, that was right around the same time as when the property was sold, so I'm not sure what happened first. The scorecard was done by Mike in the last couple weeks, and he's obviously not here, so I can say I didn't, but since the property was sold, the commercial scorecard itself was done after the property was sold, and sold to Cooper Properties. And I'll be curious, I wish I could be curious if Mike was anywhere there. I might put someone there too. So yeah, Mike and I did a good walkthrough a couple of weeks ago with Judy and Shannon, who had come by here previously with Home and Common. And I don't know if other folks here have been out there before. It's the old St. Joe's Rehab Facilities. It's a large building on site, but then you go behind the building and there's a pretty expansive trail network as well as a large pool that could possibly be a burner pool, and that's the Judy and Shannon are looking to further as well, because that's some kind of restrictions around building, but the neighbors around there have already developed good trails, they worked in partnership with Portland Trails I think on one of the trails or at least on a side edge, it's really nice space and it's a good connector as well from the trail network off of like Gray Street to University Park and stuff on the other side of Washington and out. So as I said, Mike took the lead on this scorecard, but it does seem to be a property that meets a lot of desired goals for the land bank, especially if we're talking about, which we would be if we're talking about the area on the property that's not as needs to be developable and the area around particular, so I'm happy to answer your questions, but I know there were photos that we took as well as a couple of maps, including the 10-minute walk to local parks now as well, which shows that while this property is in fine area, there are some spots nearby that are priority areas, thanks. [17:32] Speaker A (unidentified): Just a quick question, maybe other stuff too, and looking at the map, the one that shows the zoning with the building footprint page eight, you know that handout, can you remind me what, all right, okay. [17:56] Speaker C (unidentified): Kind of like the zoning board or something, I think it was just you guys in playback, oh okay. [18:05] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, I can't present them, sorry, no, on that map, like the portion of the property that is undeveloped away from the building, is that the one that scored higher just in terms of our [18:21] Speaker B (unidentified): Scorecard or where, how does the property, oh yeah, that's a good question. No, that, well, there's a couple different areas. I mean, everything to the like left of the buildings, those three different parcels, that's like wooded or fielded area as well, and you can see there's streams on it as well. And you've also got fall where it kind of comes in front of the building right there. Are trails over there? We didn't explore that part quite as much. What we really focused on was the area behind the building. So Everything just kind of in the upper part, yeah, that large parcel, and that's where the trails are, and then the funnel pool is like right up against the or the possible vertical is right up against the building in fact as well. Okay. [19:11] Speaker A (unidentified): So the obvious building envelope just for mine, it is where the building is now, which is probably why they put the building there, and there's constraints on either side at least. [19:23] Speaker B (unidentified): What resource constraints? Yeah, that's right. I mean, if it is in fact a vertical, then the building is in place, it's probably not fully allowed either, just, but the buildings probably are prior to certain full regulations, and it's possible that the development of that building, I know that they're going up there hopefully doing some hill research and then getting into [20:30] Speaker F (unidentified): And then that gets a little bit more as it's on the state registry. Yeah. It is just observable. Yeah. [20:43] Speaker B (unidentified): It's totally possible that they've done that in the last few weeks because we've shared with them some state resources. I'm sure we'll get that to the top too. So if you haven't heard from them in the last few days. [20:56] Speaker F (unidentified): Other questions? It [21:04] Speaker A (unidentified): Does seem like the opportunity might be trying to parcel out the bigger parcel with the developer, some sort of cooperative agreement. It's great that we're doing the scorecard identifying resources, because that would be helpful in understanding what's there. Maybe even a little separate from the regulatory requirements. Requirements there may be, who knows what's going to be built there, I don't think we know [21:35] Speaker B (unidentified): What's going to be up there? Right, there's nothing publicly submitted to the city that I don't know. [21:39] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, there is the new recode that allows certain densities for conservation with my picking up Doug, you know the term for the that new, it's been used a couple times by developers first. Yeah, it has a different name, but it's not the recode. It's new under the recode, I think. [22:03] Speaker G (unidentified): Who are the folks green [22:04] Speaker A (unidentified): Mars has used it a couple of times, it will be green essentially less greater density, a smaller area and uses less man. And this is trying to incentivize the game. So it could be a candidate and put that sort of and with the right [22:19] Speaker G (unidentified): metal for example we also have to meet the cities one of the things about the movement did you [22:35] Speaker E (unidentified): say we sold people properties [22:38] Speaker B (unidentified): but I'm I know they'll go to broker and deal too so I don't know what the standard process is with plan bank kind of establishing contact with a possible partner landowner but it's something in that especially if my escape was up yeah I [23:02] Speaker A (unidentified): think it's fine you know if it's not a distinct transaction like we're not saying we want to buy the property but we're saying we want to have discussions I think that could be verbal and once it becomes something that seems like it should be codified we would do that through a letter if there's some level of data but in order to get there I think you just would need to talk to them yeah well I could see where they're doing [23:32] Speaker G (unidentified): and I think it'll also be interesting to see whether they might be saying you know music is just an instructor we have it Yeah, [23:50] Speaker B (unidentified): I mean, I think it's over four or five million. I forget the exact figure, but given the size and the forest location, that number really suggests that they recognize her constraints so that they can do the site. [24:03] Speaker A (unidentified): Do you recall the total acreage? That's a good question. I'm just looking. It might be in a. [24:23] Speaker B (unidentified): it's let's see no I don't have the it's 33 sf acres at all so [24:42] Speaker A (unidentified): it's probably 33 acres I would guess that seems about right here okay yeah we certainly feel free to reach out yeah see what sort of reception there might be maybe it'll help them develop the property in a better way knowing there's options maybe the city ends up with some of the land in the land bank and that's helpful they may not know about it [25:12] Speaker B (unidentified): yeah great sounds good [25:20] Speaker A (unidentified): old business outreach flyer this is something Mike was working on right he was going to take a second and cut at it. I don't think we had it in what we call seeing a revised one, right? So we'll, unless anybody else is prepared to do that. [25:37] Speaker B (unidentified): He and I are working on it together a little bit. He was going to take the second part of that, so yeah. [25:42] Speaker E (unidentified): OK. I think where we left off is, as soon as we have that tightened up version of what you guys want, then you can send it to me. And then I'll go through the brand guidelines and kind of brand it and make sure it fits the brand guidelines and then you guys can [26:01] Speaker C (unidentified): Discuss should I add that to future agenda? That'd be great, yeah, thanks. We'll just defer that. [26:14] Speaker A (unidentified): Communications and parcel updates. I can start out with Davis Pines. We essentially have the survey work completed. We've received the survey and the description. Sometime soon they're going to actually go put pins on the property. That was, that was part of the contract we had intended, but they were waiting a little bit to do that, and we're getting close to when they had planned to do it. They are essentially complete. They build us for the survey work, and it is that outline identified essentially. That we had originally suggested from a long time ago, even predating me, that area of land that was, you know, the land bank was interested in. There were some minor tweaks to it. The original one had part of their parking lot. I don't know if that was intentional, but it didn't seem, it seems like it might have been an error in the, just in the lines. So we tightened it up to be truly undeveloped land, and the appraisal company now has the survey work. They have it in the queue to do the appraisal. [27:40] Speaker C (unidentified): About a month ago. [27:44] Speaker A (unidentified): So probably four weeks ago they told me it was going to take 11 weeks to get an appraisal. There's been an appraisal boom. I don't know why, I don't know the industry close enough, I don't think mortgage rates are that low to be refinancing, I'm not sure what it is, but they told me the appraisal business is through financial reason, maybe a lot of sales houses were going for sale this spring, I'm not sure. So we're about, what did I say, a month ago, we're a couple months out from actually getting. The appraisal. I've kept the landowner through the broker apprised of where it's at. They're interested to sell the land at market value as we agreed to in the, agreement we have with them. We actually have a written signed agreement that we would transact, make a transaction if we got a market-based appraisal, and they would accept that as the value of the property. So we'll see what it comes in at. I don't know what it's going to come in at. I'm guessing somewhere between $300,000 and $400,000 probably. But I'm totally guessing, just based on what an undeveloped acre is, subtracting all of the constraints and wetlands. I do know the appraiser told me it's going to be really hard to figure it out. It's a weird parcel, right, and it's not, it's not, it's not a flat undeveloped piece of land that someone could easily develop, and there's no comps, but they're going to figure it out. Originally, you know, we're paying, it's about nine acres in total, what they're actually did the survey on and then the appraisal. And I talked to them about backing out the wetlands. I said, what if, because the appraisal is fairly high cost, appraisal is like everything I've gone through the room. And I said, what if we backed out the wetlands? I talked to Mike a little bit about this and we only appraised the dry developable areas and they said we're going to charge the same thing so that didn't work so I said just to praise the whole property so they're appraising wetlands are praising upland they're appraising the road frontage it's got all kinds of weird constraints on it including the road and the access and all of that so you know it's like a $5,800 appraiser and we really didn't have a choice if we wanted to you know come to a market value of the property so we've done that and a couple [30:33] Speaker G (unidentified): months we'll get it. You also farred off a piece that is not the most [30:46] Speaker A (unidentified): Yes that's owned by a trust I found out from the surveyor they originally included it and I told them oh I'm glad I reviewed this because don't include that we don't we don't have an agreement for that so they excluded it yeah I forget there's a there's a trust involved so that neighboring property and that it in acreage wise it wasn't a lot it was a linear fairly significant but the acreage it was just a small sliver as you know in this little bit of overlap [31:17] Speaker G (unidentified): And back in the day they basically just fueled probably gone now yeah they saw trees [31:25] Speaker A (unidentified): And drew circles yeah and I know I recently found out through the survey work behind the building to the south if you think of it that way so the lower the Portland side of Davis Farm Road there's another like five acres back there that's undeveloped that was never on the land bank's radar I didn't ask him about it because I actually didn't know about it I suppose it could be a future discussion I don't know anything about the land I don't know the value of it. It would probably require a scorecard to get a better understanding, but had I known about that, I might have included that in the survey and appraisal work as well if it showed that it had value. It's actually contiguous with the parcel we're looking at by a fairly short strip of land, but it is contiguous behind the building. It goes by their stormwater ponds, I think. Yeah, I think there's woods they own the back of the stormwater ponds, and then it reconnects and opens up into what looks like some old fields that have, you know, grown in, that would probably have some bird habitat and some other values as well. But it's not mature forests like the pines, so more to come too, a little too late at this point. [33:02] Speaker C (unidentified): But what about the road, the whole issue with this, the road, whether it's private, public, or that, and more investigation even on that, still a little separate issue. Yeah, I know. [33:17] Speaker A (unidentified): My latest understanding, which I believe is the city's understanding, is that's a private road. The owner of the road didn't want to maintain the road to the standard needed in order to use it and have the city deem it safe to be a private road even in a commercial park. Park, they put the gate in to divide it so that it's no longer, that bad section is right in front of the piece of property we're looking at where the gate is essentially, and the city has access to it for emergency reasons, and it's not being used by the public, and it's it's as far as I, to the extent that I've been told about it, the association who owns it and mutually contributes to maintenance and those sorts of things can do that and leave it that way forever, essentially, until the rest of the road deteriorates to the point where emergency vehicles can't use it or that sort of thing. But that hasn't come up yet. [34:35] Speaker F (unidentified): So it seems like an indefinite hold on the way it is now. Yeah, I know that again. [34:58] Speaker A (unidentified): I asked this question and the answer I got was there would not be those responsibilities. It may be that you're not, you don't have any say. Yeah, to be determined, I think there is, there is reasonable access now. In other words, you're, you can park on that road, you can go until the gate on the balance side. There's nothing that says you can't park there, so the public hasn't been kept off it, so it is, it's definitely a gray area. I don't know what's going to happen with that road in the future, but you know the city would be a landholder on that road if anything were to change. I don't think there was any interest in joining, we try, we don't, we don't even know what the agreement is other than we were told by the broker there is an agreement with the tenants who maintain the road as far as I can tell. They don't do anything, so there may be no costs. [36:13] Speaker G (unidentified): Like if you want to use the road you have to spend too many. No, it's like we didn't hear that. Yeah, we. [36:19] Speaker A (unidentified): Didn't hear that, and you know, so there are tenants there as well as owners, so the tenants are using that, presumably. The owners of those buildings are involved in it's not clear what's going on there. It's murky. They legally, I think they did, they were not willing to produce an agreement found it's although it's literally the fountain of Portland borders in both. Yeah, it's a complicated question that I don't know anything. [37:24] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, we didn't score hard for this property. I was looking in the folder and seeing one but. [37:30] Speaker A (unidentified): Maybe there was one file address there is there's the we had the description in here, right, but not the scorecard. Is that what happened? Yeah, we had this summary in here, but I didn't see the scorecard. There is a scorecard at night. There definitely should be because I remember doing what would they go out. Yeah. [37:58] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, I don't see it in the Google draft. [38:03] Speaker A (unidentified): That's curious. I'll I'll check my phone just in case it didn't somehow get in this. I don't know if there's any other questions. We can move on from data, so that's the update I've got. Anything on Hobab? Anybody know anything about Hobab? Redlawn, I know Mike was making some inquiries. I don't know of any. He hasn't told me about any breakthroughs on Redlawn. I do know Redlawn folks have asked about some simple signage. We talked about that potentially with land bank monies to do some wayfinding, bench, some simple recognition of where the public trail is versus the private trail between the city parcels. I thought someone, and I don't think it was me, but maybe it was, I thought we had a lead for that to connect to find out more about that. Is that ringing a bell for anybody who's here? [39:44] Speaker E (unidentified): I think that there was a request to take a survey, a more in-depth survey to see how the plots that are already owned could work through that land as a trail if possible. Of it and so a more in-depth survey of what's in there and how it could connect. Yeah and maybe. [40:15] Speaker A (unidentified): We didn't assign it to or maybe it got assigned to me and forgetting Portland Trails may have. [40:22] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, I don't know, I can't remember. [40:27] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, we should we should figure out a point person. I can certainly talk on the Portland side of the trail about having someone go out and look at it and take some GPS coordinates of walking the main trail. I think that's what we need to do, right, is determine the main trail, where it sits in the real world. [40:52] Speaker E (unidentified): And it is one of the properties that is on the list for the next month's field trip. So it might help to get everybody in there to kind of put it people in the space. Okay, I will. [41:06] Speaker A (unidentified): I'll put it on my list to see what might be done just quickly to get a some sort of understanding of where the trail is public and private. [41:29] Speaker C (unidentified): It should be a huge exercise. [41:35] Speaker A (unidentified): Rocky Hill. [Speaker G (unidentified): No updates.] This is something I've been working on. I do have a contact for the warehouse owner. You'll remember the face of the old quarry behind the building here is owned by another company. J.B. Brown owns the bulk of Rocky Hill. There is a new CEO at J.B. Brown who we know quite well in the land conservation trail world. I think he has started. That might be helpful, although we had a good relationship with the old one. JB Brown has not been a challenge. It's been the other landowner who owns the face of the quarry, the climbing wall, that's how it makes you call it side of the quarry and there just hasn't been a response to the person I do have a name a contact I've made a couple of calls I don't know if anyone else had any connections to that property I'll keep at it stridewater boat launch I don't know we don't have Alex or Ethan who would be the ones who would know where it might be from a project standpoint just that isn't anything you've. Heard. [43:13] Speaker E (unidentified): Through the grapevine have you I'm not quite sure which project manager is it is assigned to Alex is the project manager so he will be the best one to reach out to and or made a note Amber put a note in for him to update for the next. [43:36] Speaker B (unidentified): meeting yeah and I did walk through with him in a close he likes to prove himself down there and I talked out but I actually didn't want to trail it in a meeting so briefly and I think that he's just going with the particular options so that 's what's been allocated for my end of the that was allocated, I think, years ago. [44:02] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, that's a good point. [44:05] Speaker A (unidentified): You've had double-digit inflation for three years or more. Okay, and I know there is some work happening in Congress, some paving work to the street. There's been some discussion about reconfiguring, what's the name of the street that comes down the hill there, right out in front of this park, not Congress, but the one that sees into it not west the one that goes off the hill the stroud water neighborhood there anyway that is potentially an area where there could be some improvements including maybe some parallel parking the street's really wide there And I think the city is interested in narrowing it for safety reasons, and it would gain a little bit of potential parallel parking and be more efficient than street parking, which is, there is street parking, but you could fit more cars in that sort of area. I think that might be the next time around, because I'm not sure this isn't a comprehensive tear up the road and mill it. It's more of a shorter term fix. But there is an intention to improve access to that park, including a kind of kiosk trailhead feature. It is, World Trails is working on what's called the Stroudwater Connector Trail, and that's one end of it. And it would eventually cross Congress Street, go through a Green Mars development unit property, go over the new Stradwater Bridge and then up over Westbrook Street and connect to the Fort Redwood Sanctuary. So that is the other ends where there's interest all around for better traffic management, pedestrian, bike stuff, which is horrible place if you've ever tried to walk or bike near that part. It's not, it's not great, so there might be some other enhancements down the road. It's definitely on the target of the traffic engineers and planners and certainly Portland Trails. That might be a place we could allocate additional dollars once we know what the deficit is. I suppose we can put it out and [46:36] Speaker C (unidentified): find out. But it'll happen. [46:44] Speaker A (unidentified): Stradivari Pedestrian Bridge, I just mentioned, is there. It's standing. It's functioning. [46:51] Speaker B (unidentified): It was on the last minute. It's sturdy. It's big. It's big and [46:54] Speaker A (unidentified): sturdy. I know. It's a rugged bridge. Rugged bridge. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the bridge itself is done. They are doing some native plantings. I just heard that was happening today. The city's actually doing it, maybe with one of the youth corps or someone, I'm not sure who it is, but they're doing that to stabilize some of the disturbed area with native plantings, and I think it's part of the planting, you know, regulatory planting plan for stabilization. So I don't have any other updates unless there's others. I know a lot of people have been out there definitely getting, it's getting used even though it isn't, you know, it's hard to tell where to go now over it unless you really know it. [Speaker C (unidentified): It's coming zero.] gray road anyone updates i don't have any you'll remember this is the property that was in potentially coming back to the city the city might even still own it 's one i can never remember the developer has purview over it they determined they're not going to use it and now i think they're trying to figure out how to get rid of it because it's bad and i'm not sure if the city actually owns it or they don't i mean they never really got a clarification on that but there's some sort of timing it Would either be sold back to the city or go back to the city potentially at some point, I think it's just wait until they sell all the units. [48:39] Speaker G (unidentified): In that development anything. [48:45] Speaker A (unidentified): Else any other projects, yeah Burry street can we, oh yeah. [48:48] Speaker C (unidentified): Thanks, yeah I just, I know where we left off was I'm just trying to wonder if there's any update, we were supposed to get an appraisal of the two parcels and I haven't anything. [49:00] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah that's right, you missed the last meeting right, yeah, was that might be something Mike offered to explore. That's my recollection that, I'm not sure I'm right about that, but we did have somebody who was going to contact the owner. Do you have a. [49:26] Speaker C (unidentified): Contact with them already? Yeah, I've been in touch with the owner and her son. And then to get the, we reported to get appraisals done in the two parts. [49:39] Speaker A (unidentified): And so maybe that's what Mike was doing as opposed to reaching out, yeah I know I'm pretty sure he offered to do some follow-up on him, I know, yeah I don't, he hasn't been in touch with me about actually needing to find an appraiser or anything like that. And as I said, there is definitely a crunch on appraisers. [50:09] Speaker C (unidentified): I guess that's where it might be. [50:11] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, one thing I did explore with the city was I was under the impression that there's a list of appraisers who are approved for city work. It doesn't appear that's the case. So I used appraisers that I know the city has used before just to be safe, we ended up using the folks out of Gorham for Davis Farm Road not. [50:46] Speaker C (unidentified): Main properties something like that. [50:49] Speaker A (unidentified): Who I've been around a long time, so I don't think there's any list. I think we just need to, you know, and I know Mike knows the appraisal world pretty well, just need to pick one and, you know, do they, do they provide survey data, survey level data, like does a, does a property [51:16] Speaker C (unidentified): have recent surveys? Oh, I don't believe something, so we need a survey. Yeah, they just provided, it's still, yeah. [51:25] Speaker A (unidentified): So that's really going to be step one, and that could be what Mike was following up. I'm not remembering what he offered to do. He might be exploring the survey harder. I can check. [51:39] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, typically we're going to do surveys until we have a sense of performance, right? [51:50] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, and that's what I would ask them for, to get a quote for the survey. I mean, those parcels shouldn't be crazy expensive. The one for David's, his comparison was $25, and that includes putting pins in that. So it was fairly reasonable compared to the non-pricing. Them. Yeah. And if Mike says, I have no idea what you're talking [52:24] Speaker C (unidentified): about. Okay, I might have a person. Yeah, I'll check into [52:29] Speaker A (unidentified): it. But he's, he's the only one who comes to mind to might have the background to explore that. [52:38] Speaker F (unidentified): I take it with a grain of salt. I noticed him last time he said, Dan, that here. Yeah, [52:46] Speaker A (unidentified): maybe I made all that up, and I could have confused it with another part. But I think that is the order, is that is to find out how you're going to describe the parcel to get an appraisal, and that would be asked a survey or with some, you know, we know the outlines of the parcels, right? We can identify the parcels for that. So we're not creating one like, you know, Davis. So that should be pretty straightforward. We're just asking them what's the cost and timeframe for that. The phrase of the servant. [Speaker G (unidentified): Okay, field] trips. I know. Murray Redlawn Davis, right? Those are our three June 10. [53:39] Speaker E (unidentified): You can have proof or not proof, but you guys recommended those last week, or the last meeting, and he did say that was what we should do, so most likely meet here and then I'll stage a bus on the other side of Murray, so be prepared to hike through the woods from here and then the bus will be waiting on the other side and then head over to, well, even probably decide, but either Redline and then go out to Davis Pines and then come back by bus. Okay, meeting time is the same. Yeah, we would just meet here because just downstairs. Yeah, because it's not a, well, it is a public meeting. The locations will be advertised, but the public, it won't be coming on a bus with us or anything. They have to transport themselves to the site. [54:49] Speaker A (unidentified): And if anyone hasn't been through the woods at Tango, it's a pretty groomed trail. So we will be in exhaustion for lots and lots. [54:58] Speaker E (unidentified): But when we did the last one, bug spray was really good. Someone remember to bring bug spray. I can't remember. It is June and May. Yes. Sorry. Big journey. I think it was. [55:10] Speaker C (unidentified): But maybe I'll come find out back any questions or thoughts on the field trip okay. [55:26] Speaker A (unidentified): Parks division report we did get one in our packet Amber can take down any questions if anyone have any but any anything jump out to folks from the report from Alex comments questions concerns really. [56:02] Speaker F (unidentified): Related to this I'm just curious if the trends of encampments aligns with seasons, or if it could be more than that's getting better, or is that a trend? That's a question. [56:22] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, I mean, the city tracks it closely. I don't know exactly, but the trend has been on city land, significant reduction getting encampments. I think that continues to be the case I know there have been some seasonal encampments identified but nothing in the numbers in the past a lot of it at the relevant services center primarily from what I know and I don't know what the city do you know Jess if you've heard the number of the city track. Yeah, no, don't. I think I think it's pretty low considering it's gotten warm. [57:15] Speaker E (unidentified): There is a I know that on the city website maps. So there's a live or live I think we updated weekly of math that shows the concentrations throughout the city so I can show you where that is if you'd like to take a look but nothing jumped out at me and we haven't heard anything recently of any exploding activity the constables on the peninsula just started recently so I think that on the peninsula in particular is gonna have an effect but yeah I don't think they're going away the encampments are going away. [58:05] Speaker A (unidentified): but it appears that most of them are actually on state you know right okay that 's the work around because the state less responsive. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I'm not going to judge them. The reality is there's nobody there to ask them to meet. Including over by the Fort River, some places that are not around the highway, there are some, the state owns more land than you would think here and there, and there is a section off Land Road, which had encampments that have been problematic because the state hasn't been responsive anything else on the parks division report questions or anything I. [59:02] Speaker C (unidentified): Don't see it on there, but I believe you know more about plans for Easton Beach. [Speaker A (unidentified): Regarding something specific.] Think I think there's a plan to measure the old sense of spark. [59:22] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the details. Yeah. So there's our question for Alex. How's that? Yeah, I do. There was a little article on paper. Yeah, [59:39] Speaker C (unidentified): I think so. Discussed with that maybe one of the finance meetings, oh sorry, I'll be wrong, yeah, plus dollars. [59:49] Speaker E (unidentified): The puffs the casual improvement plans and what, yeah, so that's I think what our guidance is and what's being done, right, yeah, and I have copies of that if anybody would like to look at the capital, thank [1:00:15] Speaker F (unidentified): you. [1:00:20] Speaker A (unidentified): Anything from the Parks Commission, we have the party in the park [1:00:26] Speaker C (unidentified): next month on the 16th, it's 4 30 to 6 p.m. in Payson Park, everyone is welcome. The last meeting for the Parks Commission is in the forum, so you can not go waiting, but I believe I believe there's date and seating information, so if you know anyone who wants to get involved, it would be a good opportunity, I think. [1:00:50] Speaker E (unidentified): And I believe that the cutoff for applying is coming soon. I think it might be this week? [1:00:56] Speaker C (unidentified): I think it might be today. It might be tomorrow. [1:00:59] Speaker E (unidentified): So and if you haven't read yours, if your seat is up, you may want to check the portal on the website to see when your seat is up and reapply if you would like to do so. [1:01:29] Speaker C (unidentified): Yes. That's all. Thank you. [1:01:37] Speaker A (unidentified): Any other agenda items we haven't covered for next? I'm [1:01:43] Speaker B (unidentified): just curious on the public comment. How the University Park goes into any multi-year Parks Commission plans if there's been any discussion, though Alex does plan, Alex does [1:01:58] Speaker E (unidentified): plan to bring that up, I think he was waiting on a couple items and he is going to do a presentation on that with you guys, but just timing wise to let you guys know next meeting is the field trip meeting, the July meeting, I know the Parks Commission camp does not meet in July. Yeah, we've typically been canceling it as well, right? So then that means the next meeting will be the meeting will be in August. [1:02:32] Speaker G (unidentified): Summer is from said that Saturday through Tuesday. Yeah, I do have one thing I wanted to bring up. One of the land bank process for 10 Orange Street property that's on a long-term list of properties and it's associated with a northeering property that's on the way to the ball field. Yeah, northeering park. Yeah, so it's on the Orange Street side of that. That has a set of things that's on the incline. It's a huge area, but that we've associated with somewhere between Parsons Pond and all of the mountain areas that drain out across past Ball Field and anything on its way to the John Scott River across Washington. So I just wanted to make you aware of that. I know there is some interest from a lot of these things. I don't know what could be done with that, [1:03:54] Speaker A (unidentified): Has it gone to application yet? [1:03:57] Speaker G (unidentified): They've submitted it now. You can see this big red dot on the development review section. We had a force made that was interesting. Nothing could be built specifically on top of that example. That's like it's moved. Yeah. [1:04:26] Speaker A (unidentified): Is it... So the developer's probably whoever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [1:04:38] Speaker C (unidentified): I was gonna ask if we have any movement on Dave's Parsons survey or between now and August. Are we able to create a meeting to take that action or thinking we have a couple of things okay and unless we have a very short business meeting before the trip you know it's going to be the end of the summer before meeting them yeah that's a good point i think a workshop can be called like a workshop can be [1:05:10] Speaker E (unidentified): called it doesn't necessarily have to be a meeting but i have to publicly notice it so i need at least a week notice in order to make it official unless you want to meet individually can't meet more than three people right for two people yeah not more than two yeah let me just approve like [1:05:34] Speaker F (unidentified): if the survey quote is up to this much we approve it's pending. Like pick a number today and just say whatever they say. [1:05:43] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, so that might be pending if you were to find out you wanted to get the survey mark. That's one thing that could come up between now and August, for example. the purchase and sale agreement for our Davis farm but come up that's clearly a bigger issue that would be a big number where we could pay the asset price is there anything Is there anything else we can think of that's out there that may come up in that time frame? [1:06:27] Speaker C (unidentified): Well, I was actually just looking back through, and we're left off of, we approved a certain amount for up to $2,000 in appraisal. Anything that was working in the city to get the appraisal done. So I think it's already in the works. There's some emails. Oh, you pulled somebody in. Yeah, you pulled in Lori to get an appraisal started. [1:06:46] Speaker E (unidentified): I remember email about effects already in the works. Okay. I can check it. I asked. Yeah. And I don't write them for Ethan. [1:06:56] Speaker C (unidentified): Oh, great. Okay. I'm guessing it's just backed up. Okay, [1:07:00] Speaker A (unidentified): Good. Yeah. So I'm sorry. Even with Mike, if I knew somebody that's big. But there might be a phrase with the city do the appraisal or they're doing the survey. [1:07:19] Speaker C (unidentified): They're starting with the appraisal. Oh, they're doing an appraisal. They're doing an appraisal. Okay. And we already threw the funding to do the appraisal in two laws back in February. Okay. So it's all, so there's really nothing for us to do. And then it may be acquiring the parcels would be the next, right, the same, depending on what, the principal comes in. [1:07:54] Speaker F (unidentified): Okay. You need a survey. [1:07:58] Speaker A (unidentified): Not if the city doesn't care about it. Okay. Okay. I mean, that seems like they either maybe they have recent survey or maybe they've determined there is a reason to survey. Bay. I mean, those, parcels haven't changed. They're probably satisfied that they know where they are on the problem. I'm guessing. Or maybe they've done that. And we don't know it. Yeah, I'm totally fine not questioning the city's acquisition process if they want to just go and do it. Because we'd be asking them permission. So that sounds like it's probably not an issue. It could very well be an issue with [1:08:55] Speaker C (unidentified): David's finds. But the July will be cold. If we do. So we said we usually typically cancel. [1:09:07] Speaker E (unidentified): Additionally, there's some very difficult time to hold. So many people plan vacations around those first year of July. But [1:09:17] Speaker F (unidentified): But yeah, could we do like a 10 minute? Yes, we approve them. [1:09:25] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, we have, we have the same burden of having to advertise a meeting. We could do that. Yeah, [1:09:35] Speaker C (unidentified): I mean, it could be. Yeah. [1:09:40] Speaker E (unidentified): Like have a 15 minute session. [1:09:46] Speaker A (unidentified): I mean if we agenda it but we kind of need a public forum to do it right and we can't be like yeah yell to us on the bus that yeah want to come in I don't know it's a question for Ethan [1:10:01] Speaker E (unidentified): I can't speak for him obviously but I know that the time allotment for the field trips does i mean take the time for mostly usually getting back well after going you know around seven [1:10:18] Speaker A (unidentified): ish anyway and so yeah i mean one thing we could do is convene here quickly take an agenda item and leave i know it eats into the time but maybe ethan can provide some guidance on we don't know that we're going to have a need probably not next month actually now that i [1:10:40] Speaker G (unidentified): think about it the only way they'd probably be able to do it was to call a special meeting 5 30 7 4 30 4 30 excuse me i'm getting it myself and then that way yeah i think it [1:10:55] Speaker A (unidentified): Would be early, at least for Davis Farm. It more likely be August, just based on the timing and what the appraisal, right? So I guess we would, we would have a scheduled August meeting at some [1:11:14] Speaker C (unidentified): point. Yeah, that is technically the next in-person meeting, so that might work. If not, I'll [1:11:26] Speaker A (unidentified): let folks know, and that shouldn't be our obstacle. We need to do a purchase and sale quickly. [Speaker B (unidentified): They don't and] we need to see what the price is. It might be shocked. Okay, any other agenda items? If not, we'll adjourn the meeting. Yeah.