Topsham Conservation Commission votes to use open space funds for Natural Areas Plan update

[0:04] Speaker A (unidentified): Did Adi, is she calling? I thought she was going to call. [0:11] Speaker B (unidentified): I haven't dialed in yet. [0:13] Speaker C (unidentified): I just got a question. [0:15] Speaker D (unidentified): How's it going? All right. [0:46] Speaker C (unidentified): We have one call-in listener. I'm going to see if that... Call-in listener. If you can hear me, it looks like you're on mute. [1:20] Speaker A (unidentified): I won't stop. [1:21] Speaker D (unidentified): Oh, too much pressure to save my day is [1:31] Speaker B (unidentified): our agenda. I printed one. [1:37] Speaker C (unidentified): So I'm also just being so. [1:40] Speaker E (unidentified): What do you have in front of you? Oh, is that it look pink? Yeah. Oh, I got into my separate It is unhighlighted I think Bobby is gonna and we'll get straight now welcome everybody happy fall yeah officially fun first thing on our agenda is to approve the august minutes when we did this. Shall I hide? Site visit. [2:26] Speaker A (unidentified): I think me, Josh, Angie, Audie is from TCC. [2:38] Speaker F (unidentified): So we'll see if that's Audie. Yeah, through that. Hey, that's me. Sorry. [2:46] Speaker E (unidentified): Did you have a chance to look I walk through minutes yes [2:57] Speaker F (unidentified): the walk through minutes yes okay do you yes okay [3:10] Speaker E (unidentified): so I'll make a motion to as written I [3:20] Speaker D (unidentified): wrote can I say that yes I second [3:25] Speaker F (unidentified): I can see approval. Okay. [3:27] Speaker E (unidentified): So, the motions on the table to 11 sky high drive walk through the minutes. All in favor are you. [3:39] Speaker F (unidentified): I am. Yep. All right. We were the only people there's. [3:45] Speaker E (unidentified): Thank you on our agenda. Plan update, so we did not get the community action grant. Grant funds, unfortunately, funds, by looking back in my notes, when we board was. $10,000 that we had approved. [4:11] Speaker A (unidentified): Let's go back. see. [4:15] Speaker B (unidentified): Let's see anything more about why we didn't get in or this year. [4:22] Speaker C (unidentified): They were like, I think that they were only able to get out of at least 50% of but there were like 200 something applicants. For that specific, that specific one line item or if it was all of them originally. Yeah. Oh, [4:48] Speaker E (unidentified): another thing. So, if we're going to have a change of governorship, those funds will be available. So, who knows everything's up in the air when we get a new governor. [5:02] Speaker B (unidentified): Did I get correct? Yeah, 1 yet 1, it will probably stay the other will probably. Well, we'll have to list and there's 3 candidates and 1, maybe 1, maybe we'll have to wait. [5:18] Speaker E (unidentified): Okay, but we don't have that for this year. year. So what we need to do is we want to move forward with the town approved funds and some we want to wait and apply again for another grant upcoming knowing that the one that we applied for and didn't get was probably our best bet. So I look for the dollar number that we have. I'll kind of open it up to everybody to help whether or not you think we should use, whether we should wait and see what happens. There's funding ground for the new immigrants. Do we know if it is to happen? If they to continue, they have a, if something. [6:14] Speaker A (unidentified): Can you put a minute in July? We did this 1. [6:20] Speaker E (unidentified): We did it in the end of July and it. [6:24] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, it was June. Wasn't it like, June 26? [6:30] Speaker E (unidentified): I have no recollection. I was thinking that once it's off the list, it's. Funding rounds per year, but the funding details funding publication time. [6:44] Speaker A (unidentified): Open again and closes. Okay, June 5th, so. [6:54] Speaker E (unidentified): Early June when we got it in and we found out in September. Okay, you would need to wait on or correct. Correct. That's an idea. Right,. Oh, I mean, if we wanted to get it start. RFP. To be like, what we think we need to move forward. What are the folks thinking? Do you think how much was the. I'm looking for that now. I thought it was a. [7:35] Speaker B (unidentified): I thought it was more than 10,000 of the being low funds. [7:40] Speaker E (unidentified): Sitting in and they fund to be used almost we asked for 40. I thought I had like Boulder in our Google Drive oh select port updates it was a slightly at the top sad to look back in the minute a minute well it was before June. What if we look at our agenda? I know we shared it out on one of our agendas. [8:34] Speaker A (unidentified): So let's see. June. [8:40] Speaker E (unidentified): Okay. It means a town meeting. Oh, it went to town meeting, right? And it was a warrant article which would allow the Select Board to allocate open space in lieu funds toward the Natural Areas Plan update. And it passed a town meeting. [8:55] Speaker D (unidentified): Okay, we get to the town meeting. I [9:05] Speaker B (unidentified): think the Select Board, though, talked about the specifics of it. I thought I were you with the meeting here. I wasn't meeting what they talked about. I don't recall I'm talking about any specific. I'm not very I don't think I mean the entire fund. Not we didn't have like a it wasn't 10 I don't think it was something like 10k I thought it was [9:36] Speaker E (unidentified): more than 10 it was let's do it wasn't an empty I thought it was an amount that we had it was like 40 or 50 000 I thought yeah perfect it says it's April 16th to town meaning open space and all right while Josh is looking for the minutes from the Select Board I will also look up the open space and move the fund to double check what those funds can be used for because I think that's helpful to know too conservation [Speaker D (unidentified): accounts] All right, the open space payment in louvre b when we last checked has almost fifty thousand dollars in it, and its allocation purpose is for recreation, open space, land and facilities, could include acquisition of properties, but also potentially be used for planning. The expenditure furthers there's conservation and or recreation goals of the town, and we haven't used much of it since it was created. The town hasn't, so just so you know what the funds are for, so for recreation and open space and conservation in the town. It [12:08] Speaker C (unidentified): says article 12. To see if the town will go to authorize up to 57 000 as we spent out of open space payment in lube capital fund for the purpose of updating the 2010 town of tops and natural areas plan at [12:25] Speaker E (unidentified): the discretion of the select board, so that must be the amount that was in there at the time, it must [12:31] Speaker B (unidentified): Let's be. Yeah, okay, is it less now? There is not less now. Oh, I thought you said it was less than, I thought you said it was less than 50,000. [12:44] Speaker E (unidentified): Okay, all right. So last year the select board and the town meeting we were approved to use the open space and lose funds for this purpose up to $57,000. Yeah, so I kind of feel like we need to decide if we want to move forward with these funds. And if so, then we should look at the rfp and think about how we want to buy it, revise it, and what we want to prioritize. [13:21] Speaker D (unidentified): Prioritize that [13:25] Speaker C (unidentified): curiosity, when do you know, like when, like how long it took to accrue the 57 000. [13:35] Speaker E (unidentified): I think that fund was opened in [13:46] Speaker C (unidentified): 2022. Okay, so that's about three years [13:51] Speaker E (unidentified): and i think some of those funds came from like this solar projects, did some of the money from the solar projects go in there, i don't remember exactly how much funds go, no there is a, there's a habitat mitigation from solar development funds, so maybe none of that money goes in there, payment, it's the open space payment in lieu for subdivisions that don't conserve open space basically, yeah do [14:30] Speaker B (unidentified): we have any other ones that are coming in that you [14:32] Speaker A (unidentified): know what it's [14:36] Speaker E (unidentified): that giant one that was in the paper today gonna do, that the one across from lee toyota, the big housing element that's going in back there, oh for you, that's the [14:50] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, that's the one, 183 units. Yeah, is that gonna happen from space? Yeah, it's probably that thing they paid their open space fund a while ago. Yeah, it's probably in there already. Oh wait, no, sorry, did they not need that though? No,, they actually didn't, they didn't need it because they did, they did provide open spaces, a park there. So they, and actually the planning board waived. So the way that the open space provision is written, you have to have a minimum of, I think so, two acres. You have to have at least a minimum of two acres to put into open space because it's meant for subdivisions. The part where the code doesn't quite, it doesn't quite make sense is for multi-families, sometimes like in the case of that one, you don't even have two acres at all, so it would have been impossible possible to do. But they did provide a park, a park area with walking paths and whatnot. So the policy [16:03] Speaker E (unidentified): for expending open space family fees was adopted in 2022, but I don't know when the provision vision began. So I don't know how long it took us to approve. [Speaker C (unidentified): Oh, if so,] it's in our code 191 dash 18. But there's no date on that code. [16:35] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, I was only asking, like, it's one thought to like,, Like if you're told me instead like oh like that fund has been open since like 2,000, and people are cool, like just go take that one to a group. [16:51] Speaker B (unidentified): I am just another thing to consider. Yeah, how much do we apply for the community resiliency of the community action? [16:57] Speaker E (unidentified): Grant. What was our 50,000 or 75,000? I think so, too, because I think that was the max, and we asked for the max to see if we get any I [17:10] Speaker B (unidentified): don't. I think we should move forward but I don't like the idea of completely draining the account. Agree, I like to have some money in case something comes up that we need it for something else. The hard part is I don't know what these nine items in this document are going to cost and you have to, I mean, you could formulate it so there's a base number of items that we think will fit within whatever we decide to spend and then there's some adder scope items that provide additional cost to provide the for These four additional ones so we can kind of pick and choose after we get bids and the different proposals that say, right, okay, it looks like we, hey, through this consultant we can get all nine of them. Do we think they're qualified? Yeah, or this firm's more qualified, but we can only get six of the nine, but we think they're going to do a better job, so we're going to go with them. And then if we, maybe this fund builds up as we're working through things, and then we can get approval to spend, we have the ability to spend up to the 57. So maybe we decide that we can add a couple more tasks because that fund bumps up to 67, and then there we have a buffer. That's kind of what I'm thinking. I just don't want to, we just don't know until we put it out, right? I think we're, I think we found in the limited time we've had to work through this on our own, it's very hard in an hour and a half meeting not every month because we're doing site box and we take July off to try to make progress, and there's just things on this list we can't do right, so, well, that's why we wanted to hire a consultant, right? Yeah, so I think I might not make an emotion, but I would, I would think we should focus on trying to get it, get something moved ahead. I have a question and [18:59] Speaker F (unidentified): I'm, I'm almost here, but I have a question before we do a motion. I'm literally walking in the front door now, but I just have a process about how you like, is it, how the town does RFPs, is it low bid, is it whatever? I know Chris just said some different ideas, but I know, I don't know if there's parameters that you have to use in order to [19:24] Speaker B (unidentified): to approve the rfp i think we could probably establish the selection criteria yes it's going to have fee in it that would be part of it audie but i don't it's it's almost it's not it's not always just fee that can be determined the percentage when we rank the proposals but i mean it's obviously a heavy weighing factor but i don't think it's just that Yeah, I got a little of an issue did you hear that I heard it's not always and then it's not yeah I don't think and I respond to proposals from communities and fee is never a 100% of the factor, so it might be 30% or something like that, and the rest is your approach to this project, your qualifications, staffing qualifications, that sort of stuff, so I think we would want to identify and hear the selection criteria. Well, if you look on page two [20:19] Speaker E (unidentified): we had started to do that. Oh, there you go, so this RFP we wrote, I want to say like in 2022-ish [Speaker D (unidentified): back] When we started thinking about updating the natural areas plan with Victor at the helm, so this is sort of like the proposal that we had, and then we got an estimate. And 20, October 21 for some to get some idea of how much things would cost. But obviously that's 5 years old now. But we had some jumping off place from which to start the thinking about the RFP process. Process, and then whenever we did when we did our request for that was the face and Lucy usually use this as like the last money check. We had done like we'll have to do we'll have to this will have to our expectations will have to be updated from this original number. But we kind of got an estimate back then about chunks of things like how much for mapping, how much for public engagement, how much for a build-out analysis. And I know that, like, since then, our ideas about what we would actually do for the NAP have evolved. And personally, I think, like, if we're thinking about so, if you look on the bottom of the 1st page, there's scope of services, and it has 9 bullets of what we might. Want the person who's applying for the RFP to do, which would be updating the GIS. Re-evaluating through public outreach like taking a pulse of the town and also thinking about how things have changed over time which would include online engagement which is bullet number four scenic value data layer I'm not sure how much that rises to the top for me but that was one of the things we were thinking about rerun the matrix which included the ecological data and mapping and updated maps and the community input through this public engagement process, and then develop a new plan. When we were thinking about writing the grant and writing the RFP, the things that came to the forefront for me for what I think would be most helpful for a consultant to bring to us would be We, you know, updating all the maps, but a lot of that data has been collect was collected by the Bowdoin class. Help us with public outreach, which would include whatever kind of public interface we have to do that, and pulling together things from other communities that have been successful, other strategies that have worked in main sort of casting a net for thinking about what other communities are doing, because they might have already worked with other communities and have some good ideas for us. So those are the things that like came to mind is like the most bang for our buck as far as what we would need from a consultant. But if other folks are thinking differently, you know that 's just what's on my mind. [24:00] Speaker F (unidentified): What is the last thing you said is not in one of the nine is it I think we're updating the nine [24:07] Speaker E (unidentified): So this is this is this is 2000 or something yeah I just I pass it around because it's the last draft we have written of an RFP for this yeah so GIS I agree with the third thing and I forget what the third thing was I said oh what other reviews yeah I don't think we need them [24:30] Speaker B (unidentified): I think giving us ideas of what other communities have done that we can then work with to develop something so we don't need them to help us develop the ordinance I think no so that and that's kind of that's kind of nine yeah to review to support the goals of the NAP I don't think we need that one but sharing that but the three things you hit were there's a lot and you could and you could keep it as a consultant proposing on stuff I like stuff pretty well lined at what exact tell me exactly What you want and I can give you a good price yeah but we can kind of leave it you know I'm less detailed yeah and let them propose how they how they we feed them what we have for information and what our goals are here's some three big things we want you to achieve in your proposal tell us your suggestions on how to achieve it and top some here's our goals for it here's what we need update the maps how does it compare to 15 years ago and the public I like the public outreach tool engagement Tool that's really interesting to me [25:37] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah and [25:40] Speaker E (unidentified): Something that we could do but it would be a lot better if someone else did it like a lot a lot more effective I think if someone else created that right and the assumption is that we're including a threshold a max value within the RFP right so we're not going to get some really exorbitant proposals we could do that I have seen that before right because if we leave it too open-ended and don't have a say fifty thousand dollar max we could get some really incredible proposals so we just can't do Anything yeah right it's it's a double-edged sword [26:10] Speaker B (unidentified): Because if you put in fifty thousand and the scope is only worth thirty five thousand they'll make it they might be they may they may try to fill it and make it sound like it's more than it is to justify it but someone that spark may say well everyone knows it's 50 000 I'm going to try to commit under 50 000. Yeah, so I get the work right. I mean, it's kind of going to be what it's going to be, you know. The question is if they think it's sixty thousand dollars worth of work, are they, are they worth doing it, are they, are they willing to do it? 50. Right, that's a business decision. [26:41] Speaker E (unidentified): I feel like being transparent would be really helpful in this situation. [26:43] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, and that's fine. I mean, I don't think the town would oppose that. I mean, we are limited, we have funds limited to 57, which we're going to cap it maybe 50. I recall with the young [27:00] Speaker C (unidentified): proposal that when I worked previous job and it was that it was, I forget, I think it was for like a parking bank board, and I'm pretty sure that they said basically like, here's what we want and it's going to be, it was like 30 000 I think the end, like so everyone said in your proposals like, can you do what I'm asking you to do for 30 000? And then yep, we applied. Oh, I've seen plenty [27:32] Speaker B (unidentified): of them that come out and have a limit with the funds, just the funds are this, that's available, and you just, you know, you have to tailor your scope and what you're offering to what the money is available. That's our goal, and if I think we should try to do that, you could add in additional stuff, but I think you hire a consultant if their feet, let's say they come in at 40, then we could say hey, we've got these couple of additional things you could do, exactly what would it cost to do those, and if it lives within what we want to spend and we could add those later. The hardest part with this is not just knowing but what that's what those things are, the three things are going to cause, that's the most challenging. Yeah. [28:15] Speaker E (unidentified): It seems very focused on the GIS aspect. Have we, yeah, this was, this was written well before we work with. Yeah, we've worked with voting before. Is that still on the table? Just to the person who we work with at Bowdoin retired. So I don't know, like, a G. I. S. class. There is 1, but the new people. [28:43] Speaker B (unidentified): Are doing as much community engagement initially. Okay. So I think they did a pretty good update. I think it's, I agree. And things may have changed a little since then, but. But maybe not significant enough for this study is just looking at the data and making sure it's getting it in the format that the consultant likes it and then start updating community values and start plugging in how does that change, how does that change our focus areas, how does that change, you know. Yeah, I mean, it talks about this build out scenario in here. I don't know if we, I mean. [29:18] Speaker E (unidentified): Bogan did one, didn't they? Did kind of, they did sort of a back of the envelope kind of. [29:22] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, then that's, you know, which is, I don't know why that's, it's important to maybe shock people into realizing what could happen. I'm not sure it's germane in the plan necessarily though. Well, I [29:33] Speaker E (unidentified): think it gives people a picture of what could happen with our current ordinances, and just so people can do a gut check of like, is this what I want our community to look like? But I don't think we have to, I don't think the priority was high enough to pay someone to do that at this point. Like I said, those three pieces that I was thinking about are the ones that were sort of coming to the top of line for me if we were taking a song. Let's go back to the open space and live fees. What are the other uses for those funds that we would want? Well, we could use it. So we had set aside $20,000 a few years ago for a BTLT conservation project that they ended up funding, but we had sort of bookmarked it for that project if they needed it to get over the line. So conservation projects in the town, those money can go toward, it can include acquisition of properties, so that's why we could use it for BTLT. It also needs to be approved by Parks and Rec, so they could decide they wanted to use these funds for recreational activities. But of course we talked to Pam about it, and she was present at the town meeting vote, so they didn't have any objection to us using these funds for this purpose. [31:08] Speaker B (unidentified): Us and I don't think anyone's ever really raised their hand to use these funds for anything. No, that I in my tenure and it hasn't been used. It used to be a much smaller summit. It was paid to go to the at conference or our membership, but you know, a former planner maybe went to a conference or [31:27] Speaker E (unidentified): something and paid for it with those funds, but it hasn't been used for anything large. I mean any [31:33] Speaker B (unidentified): big land trust project, they're going to generate when we offer it, they can generate their own. Not really anymore. Someone came to the town and said, I'd like to give, I'd like the town to, I want to get this town and reduce price, would you guys purchase it? And if we didn't have the money, we try to get the land trust maybe involved, but that and that's never happened. And okay, you're sure enough we'll spend this money and someone will kind of say, yeah, I'm going to give you. It's 100 acres for 25 grand and we don't have any money. But it could be a likelihood of that happening. [32:07] Speaker E (unidentified): So there's nothing we anticipate wanting to spend it on other than us in the near future? No. [32:14] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, I always envisioned it would be for that. You know, we were going to be a partner with the land trust to purchase a piece of property and help them out. Or someone came and said, I'd like the, I can't donate it, but I'll give you a greatly reduced price. Place and we happen to have this fund that we could and not have to go through town meeting to buy this piece of property which is awkward. So do you know I was trying to find the next time [32:40] Speaker C (unidentified): the funds I didn't keep looking but do you know like can it be used for but for example if you guys were to do like in the contract with someone to do like a large like an invasive plant removal or something like couldn't argue about this yeah [33:01] Speaker E (unidentified): The expenditure has to further conservation and or recreation goals of the town. It is for acquisition of land rights or structures that will be durable in nature and provide long-term benefit or for land improvements that will add long-term value. So I don't see why not. Seems like that would fit. [33:32] Speaker B (unidentified): The funds would talk some land trust have any I mean I know they make their own mapping. We talk to them. I don't know if a partnership to do the GIS aspect is possible and it's like [33:46] Speaker E (unidentified): It's a little fuzzy. I don't know who their GIS person is or if they have somebody dedicated. [33:54] Speaker B (unidentified): I think they did just to that there's a maps but yeah I don't know it's definitely not a GIS expert but consultant said this cost 50k to do this work that would be it'd be interesting I think our 2021 [34:09] Speaker E (unidentified): B for the GIS was around 6 000. Oh okay that's it I'm sure it will be higher now and then the public engagement was around 10. Okay so 16k but that was obviously five years ago yeah [34:28] Speaker C (unidentified): Is there a downside to if you put out an RFP and you kind of make your wish list a little like pie in the sky right like I guess worst case scenario could you just like let's say you know instead of getting lots of proposals I mean because it was too fine this guy you only get like one proposal I mean in theory just like redo the RFP right yeah we're not obligated to you know so yeah it's tough when you do [35:06] Speaker B (unidentified): If you do that and then you reject the bid and then we refine it and go back out again, people are less inclined to propose the second time around, you know, because they've already that information is already public information and it's already out there. So it's not it's not the I would never want to do that and the thoughts that well, we can always reject it. Yes, we can reject it, but I don't know, I'd rather set it up so that we have an acceptance of one of one or, you know, one of one or one of many. but those numbers are lower than I thought so i mean that 's would you say 16 between the two i mean that it would not shock me if those numbers are up at least 50 percent if not doubled in the last five years would it [35:53] Speaker C (unidentified): Be helpful if I brought up the we had the whole we had our cost estimates for everything? Oh yeah, I don't know, maybe while we're thinking about it we can kind of see what the cost estimate for each animals that we were looking at and that was based on us contacting some. Oh right, yeah, it's based on that's. [36:23] Speaker B (unidentified): Right, I don't think you're going to get more than two, maybe three proposals anyways to you for something like this. There aren't really that many, I mean spatial alternatives, right? [36:36] Speaker C (unidentified): And there are some. [36:50] Speaker B (unidentified): Simple firms that may possibly may be nice if we could put a base to go together then that we're pretty comfortable comes in under the whatever we decide is the value that we're going to put over into this. Yeah, and then say we would consider the additional provide costs for these additional tasks. I think do it in the proposal rather than asking after the fact, so you have the numbers on the day you open up the proposals, then you give yourself some flexibility to say evaluating to say geez we can. Get everything with this company maybe there or we can get a little bit with this company just like I said before that's more qualified, but it gives you some flexibility on proposal day when you open the proposals to pick and choose. Yeah, so I mean like to get like the bare minimum stuff we think we need and then say but there's a couple of yeah, extra things we might. Yeah. Engage you want to. [37:54] Speaker E (unidentified): So, in our grant proposal for community engagement and public outreach, we said 15,000. Or 2 for community engagement and public. Oh, you mean. [38:06] Speaker F (unidentified): Other towns on RFPs for this. Can we just there was this 1 that came out recently? I. [38:13] Speaker B (unidentified): There's gosh one town was that I can look when I get back to the office we just got one was. [38:19] Speaker F (unidentified): It Wyndham maybe, or let's say, did somebody already invent the wheel that we can there? [38:23] Speaker B (unidentified): Was one, there was one that finished product. Surely there's someone that's an open space or natural areas plan that they have the product and potentially even the numbers as public. [38:35] Speaker E (unidentified): Of information, I think we should look for this. We should look at these numbers, right? Do you [38:43] Speaker C (unidentified): remember the difference between, I'm trying to push them aside a lot, we have current draft for some reason and then working draft, and I'm like, oh I [38:54] Speaker E (unidentified): have a lot of tabs open online. I like the table [39:02] Speaker C (unidentified): table for a minute here. I did too. Yeah, put that back up. Yeah, I just want to interest the right one. Okay, it's the one that has 15,000 for the final plans. Okay, so it must be okay. It was the [39:17] Speaker B (unidentified): working job. Okay, great. Were these actual costs that you got from these two companies? Yeah, back [39:23] Speaker E (unidentified): in 2021. No, this was more recent, that was this year. Oh, May. Yeah, [39:37] Speaker B (unidentified): 75. Oh, and you asked them to allocate it amongst 75,000. Yep. Yeah, okay. So you told them assume 75 and allocated, that's [39:50] Speaker E (unidentified): why it equals that much. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because those are adding up to 75. Yeah, I think that's what we run into when we put a number on things, people give us that number, right? [40:05] Speaker B (unidentified): We don't have, we just, the town's got an RFP out right now for rebuilding Can-Am Drive, yeah, from the middle school up to Mountain Road, and there was no value put in there. Yeah, and it had, it had selection process, yeah, but it didn't have points associated with them either. It said it will be evaluated on this. Yeah, I don't think sign points, you can't assign points, but points [40:27] Speaker E (unidentified): were internal for us in this and i don't think we should put them out there you know i 've seen [40:34] Speaker B (unidentified): it both ways, so I don't think you need to put a budget out. I don't think you need to tell them what percentage, you just, it is helpful for a consultant to know what am I going to be evaluated on though. Yeah, so right there, yeah, right, that's consultants, right? Let's see. [40:50] Speaker E (unidentified): I think if we don't have a maximum value on this RFP, we need to be very clear that what we're expecting will fit within our budget, yeah, otherwise it's just a lot of work on our part to have to go back out a second time, or maybe give like a range instead of like a number like [41:08] Speaker B (unidentified): Our goal is, between, you know, we could ask them to just like they did here to give us for each task, yeah. And I don't want it to be each like, yeah, a b c d e f g, but for each major task give us a cost for that task so that we can assess that when we're evaluating it. And then internally we can say, geez, we can get these two for our budget, is it worth it, yeah. And you could, you could always pick a firm and negotiate with them too and say, right, we only had this much money, it's your proposal is more than that, we'd like to work with you, what can we do to, you know, trim down your, understand your what you expected, yeah. Can we give you more information so you better understand the scope, yeah. And then can we work with you to, you know, cut back on some of the stuff so it works within our budget. So there's ways to do that after the fact, yeah. So if it's all of our budget or say more than we're comfortable with, what's, what would be the next step I guess, consultant came back and said it's 58k and obviously we can't, yeah, pay that, whether we do just, well, we might if it was that close, I mean, we could say hey, maybe by then we got more money in the fund, we'd probably have to go back to the slack board and say hey, we've got, they would expect us to work with a consultant and try to make it work. If we couldn't and we get it to 58, we only have 57, is there a, you know, we move ahead with this consultant, do we, how do [42:38] Speaker E (unidentified): we get, how do we get another thousand dollars or we write another grant proposal and try to supplement, you know, for the community action grant again next year for whatever we can't accomplish [42:47] Speaker B (unidentified): with the current budget, yeah, that's where it's nice that flexibility to drop off a task. Yeah, because if we drop off this one tax, it gets us down to 50 or 55. We're good. [42:57] Speaker E (unidentified): So it may also be easier to get other funding if we can say, you know, we need additional funding to get us complete with an existing task that's already considerably progressed. I'm feeling positive about the election. So, you know, you never know. I mean, we could have another shot at the community action grant next year. [43:16] Speaker B (unidentified): Roddy, what do you feel about moving ahead with this rather than waiting for, you know, another round of grants? I don't know if you heard that part of next March to June we're trying to apply [43:26] Speaker F (unidentified): for the same grant we just didn't get. What, I think, do you think part of it was because of [43:31] Speaker C (unidentified): I think it had to do with federal funding. Well, it was actually, well, I think I really think it had to do with just it was so many problems there were so many and Topsum had not that they I noted that this was a concern but Thompson had has used their funds like I think at least twice before we were getting the grant. I mean they might want to spread out right are [44:01] Speaker F (unidentified): We it this is a stupid question is the natural areas plan part of the comprehensive plan or is it a separate time separate doctor is that detrimental because just when I was Googling it most it seems like everybody around us is part like Brunswick was part of the comp plan Durham it was part is it like weird to have it be separate that's actually a really good question I don't know because I was like I was like let me see who whose can I look at it so like they were all like it was only two but Two neighbors they were part of their comp plan and I was like [44:37] Speaker B (unidentified): Oh this is not helpful I think Durham was actually one of the ones that recently had an RFPO for developing an open space plan separate from the comp plan so maybe I'll check back to the office tomorrow Wednesday and see what see what they which ones that came out recently but I mean we I mean it was recommendation of the comp plan to develop us or update our current natural areas plan we have one already so [45:06] Speaker E (unidentified): Yes exactly I [45:11] Speaker F (unidentified): Mean okay my cynical question is has the natural areas plan made positive impact on how anything has been developed I would say yes and [45:26] Speaker E (unidentified): The reason why we're looking for the update is so that it's better used [45:31] Speaker B (unidentified): Used or nimble something that can be and the I mean we haven't had we developed the conservation the 300 sky or whatever it is metal crossroads guy I'm not sky high creator metal crossroad that was as a result of the natural areas plan we developed that it hasn't worked a lot but we finally did get one in you mean as an open space as an open a requirement of a recommendation of that plan was to have an open space subdivision conservation subdivision whatever you call it which came out of the development of that plan. It hasn't been used that much. Development transfer ordinance, I think, was the other one that came out of that too. Subdivision, it's one of the only, I mean, it's, it's the first one I worked on, but I can't think of any other ones. So I mean, maybe this one was Mallet Drive. This one was, that was the first one, Mallet Drive. We changed it after that so it only would happen in the R3 Zone, not the R2 Zone. But yes, that was, they had to set aside 30 [46:43] Speaker C (unidentified): percent of the, no, you can still do, you can still see open space in R1 and R2. I thought we got rid [46:49] Speaker B (unidentified): of that. You know, it was intended to be just R3 when we put it out, but this, so that one and the [46:55] Speaker C (unidentified): 300 Metal Crossroad, I think, are the only ones that I'm aware of. Now I will say there's a project that just today we were talking about, and it's in the RCU, and the applicant was not mapping because that's applied yet, but the owner has a very large portion by the Caffins, and he wants to do an open space subdivision, and look, I'm only super familiar with just in it today, but because he's in RCU he can't do it. What is RCU? That's the rural commercial. That's, it's, it sticks up into our 3, and it's a long not yes to one video. [47:45] Speaker E (unidentified): Okay, so let's make a motion to move forward with the natural areas plan update with the open space and be in some way. [48:03] Speaker A (unidentified): That's my show second. [48:06] Speaker E (unidentified): All in favor of doing that? Okay, great. So now we need to make a plan for how we're going to do that. Excuse me, I don't think you need to worry about the amount right now. [48:22] Speaker B (unidentified): No, I mean, keep it in mind based on the numbers, but I think this, it's hard for a committee to update this. Oh yeah, I think what we need, your idea is this could be simplified, and maybe look at the Can-Am one that just went out as an example of a recent town RFP. Josh, you may have other ones that are, I would like it to be sort of, kind of similar in format, so something coming out of the [48:48] Speaker E (unidentified): town, for better or for worse, looks the same, and you will look and see about recent ones that you have received. I will, I'll do that. So I think what I would like from us is deciding on what the key scopes of service we want to have are. You good with the three that I mentioned as being like our most crucial pieces, or do you have other things that are either on this one through nine list or that we've talked about that you think is more or equally important for a consultant to work on with us? These [49:27] Speaker C (unidentified): Were generally just to, I don't know, they're pretty much what we put in the grant, right? Yeah, it was like on the working draft one through six on the left column, that's what we had put in the draft. Those were the overarching [49:41] Speaker E (unidentified): areas. Yeah, so the number three geospatial analysis and inventory, that's what you said first, Shana, which is updating the GIS layers, but I don't think since we've done that some of that work, it will be as extensive as a piece, right? 28,000 might be a little high for that, I think. So ultimately [49:59] Speaker C (unidentified): yeah, and I, yeah, because I think that the natural resources inventory part envisions them actually more than just securing data and using it, actually doing a little bit of like [50:12] Speaker E (unidentified): people fielding and doing it, right? Exactly, yeah, analysis of the existing plan. I feel like we have done that, like we know what gaps we want to fill. Yeah, community engagement, like I said, I feel like somebody that has some good ways to do that would make that whole process more meaningful and really engage people, right? And then I think like part of the GIS part is redoing our matrix, like once we have the community feedback and we have the updated geospatial files, like doing that, the analysis that I see is being done by a consultant, it's like pooling that data together to create our ranking, and then you know, I feel like fifteen thousand dollars for a story map, that's pretty much on the pricey side. Like we could work with maybe an intern next summer to do a story back for us about it or something like that. So that's the other thing we could think about if we get a planning intern next year, there are specific tasks that we want to try to like make happen through that process. [51:41] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, so heavy on the analysis and the public engagement, light on the report generation. [51:46] Speaker E (unidentified): I think so. So that assumes that we, as a commission, are doing the update on the actual plan, like we are doing the wording changes. Yes, okay, so that is not being requested of a consultant. I don't think so. I think that's what, and that's kind of where our engagement makes the most sense. [52:10] Speaker F (unidentified): Sounds good, okay, are they gonna give us it, are we still keeping the analysis that exists? You said we've done it, but I don't think, I just don't, I mean, I just, this boggles my permitting mind. My state is like, this is like so planning like esoteric, but I'm like, I don't know what we're [52:34] Speaker E (unidentified): It's not all hospital corners and you're planning, so I will take a stab at revising this after Josh gives me a more recent RFP that the town put out and Chris gives me a couple of local examples. And then we can put that on our agenda to sort of wordsmith it and feel comfortable about it on our November agenda. [53:02] Speaker C (unidentified): When did they update the comprehensive plan? That was actually an interesting thing that you brought up because it was 2019. So you can imagine it's probably going to be updated sometime within the next 5 years, 4 to 5 years. And so that is something to consider with the NAC, like in anticipation of the comprehensive plan. Plan, you know, maybe there could be, I don't know, just some, just something to be aware, whether that's like some language in there that may could potentially like [53:46] Speaker F (unidentified): what's the comprehensive plan? I don't know, should we look at the other neighboring towns to see how it's like, is it weaker or stronger as a standalone document? Right, is it like, oh, we've made this plan of cool, but then they're like, we have the comprehensive plan and this is what we have to do [54:05] Speaker C (unidentified): and it's over here, like, and is there a strength to the NAP being updated prior to the comprehensive plan, as part of the comprehensive plan, or after the comprehensive plan? That's another thing to consider. I don't know, I don't think, I'm not, I'm not, my vote is to not wait for the next [54:26] Speaker B (unidentified): comprehensive plan to do it. I'm not, I'm not willing to vote to wait that long. I don't, I think it maybe it can be incorporated as, if we don't write some big grandiose report, it can be something that can be used and plugged into the comp plan when it is updated. I think the reason why the [54:45] Speaker E (unidentified): select board was willing to allocate the funds was because updating it was in the last comp plan as, that's one of the objectives. So I think if we can think of ways that we can leverage the next comp plan rework to like, do we have goals that come from, like maybe we don't get to do everything we wanted to do. Do we have goals that come from this project that we can insert as like something that goes in our next comp plan? Or maybe there's something that they can, when they're collecting public input for the next comp plan, we can collect input on something else,, like maybe there's some way we can have to be part of that process, but I agree, like we sort of have the momentum now, let's update based on what's happened when the plan implementation [55:33] Speaker B (unidentified): Committee and the planning board recently, I would say that I want to keep it separate from that plan implementation process. We're doing our own parallel working on the natural areas planning. Whether we take it, run it all the way to ground and actually put forth ordinances to the town building to change, or the planning board, select board through the process before the comp plan is updated again. We'll have to decide that at the end. Yeah, I think we should still stay the course of updating the plan. And if this thing is, we think are really important to implement, we should try to push those forward with the planning department's help. [56:11] Speaker E (unidentified): Gosh, there's kind of, there's sort of a lot of openings on town boards. I forget, I just saw like it was in the paper, it was in the prior, it's like we are full and most of the other ones are like, and we have momentum, so we should, yeah, keep it going, I agree. [56:35] Speaker B (unidentified): We can talk about it later on. I think we should keep moving forward whether we decide to push it out as its own separate document, or it's, it's simply a memo with some suggestions and to be considered, or maybe we come up with something. It was really good ideas. Really? That'd be an update, which could be in a, in a context to go in the back of the existing plan. So, we're not generating a whole new plan. It's more of an update to in 20. [57:00] Speaker E (unidentified): Same like 2027 now, which is, I mean, it's good to do those periodically anyway. Way so if we could think of a way that we could maybe have future ones be, I don't know, I agree we should think about how we can leverage the comp plan process and in our future updates and if there are goals that we want to think about including in there we should keep that on our minds. Okay, so any other thoughts about natural areas? Yes, you'll see I'm ready for updates. See that on the agenda again. [57:37] Speaker B (unidentified): Those like short little bullet items that we can wrap our head around. [57:40] Speaker E (unidentified): Yes, you're just looking for certain. Yeah, that's right. [57:45] Speaker B (unidentified): Show me the table, please. Yes, please. [57:50] Speaker E (unidentified): All right, Josh, and most of these are used. So 300 men across the road. [57:54] Speaker C (unidentified): So they have not submitted anything yet, but I've heard from Joe. It is very much still active and alive. It's just, I guess, there are lots of different projects going on, and I'm not sure what the developer's timeline is, but it must not be particularly. Yeah, exactly, it must not be. It's certainly not before this winter, I would hope, for his sink. Okay, so that's, that's kind of just sitting there, so in process, but very much in process. Okay, Sky High. Yes, so Sky High, Sky High was approved by the planning board, approved by the planning board, and so as you guys may remember, they have to apply for funding with the advance rural housing, like main rural housing, like that, and so because they've applied for that, funding, we haven't heard from them since then. So we'll see if they get the funding, and because my understanding is that they are relying on the funding to be able to do this project. So is there any, once, let's say they get the funding [59:09] Speaker B (unidentified): and move ahead, is there any definition of the open space area, meaning I'd say that'd be property pins, or it's going to be surveyed, so that anyone that, I mean, it's pretty obvious, so [59:22] Speaker C (unidentified): it's going to look like a lot of people are going to be, it'll be on there going, it'll be on the plan. Okay, so the plans actually were dated. [59:36] Speaker B (unidentified): it's just i bring it up because it's you know this map that shows these you know these spaces are presumably defined by property pins when they did the survey they're up against a lot so we could we could presumably go out and find if we wanted to all the corners of these and know where it is and where it goes out we obviously didn't want this big huge thing no that 's that it would be good to know at least on the up i'm not worried about down at the bottom of the hillside it's the top part you know, where's the, where's the definition. And we don't need to get anywhere, I was just curious what, how they're, because it's all one lot, it's not like it's separate lots, like this is, it's all one big lot. How are they going to define where the, there you go. Yeah, so that was one of the conditions [1:00:19] Speaker C (unidentified): of approval, if you look at number 10. So that you're going to be restricted for conservation recreation. We'll be dealing with leaps and bounds. Yeah, before on the plan it wasn't a little delineated as such, it was just kind of like, here's a line, and it's going to be [1:00:35] Speaker B (unidentified): about this many acres well because when i went out there and walked in and i think i mentioned it 's like this is he was talking about six acres and three but i'm like this whole lot's like 20 acres this hill's gonna be like 10 acres or more it's a lot bigger area of that three with three [1:00:50] Speaker D (unidentified): acres. Yeah, all right, another one. [1:00:56] Speaker B (unidentified): We're gonna have to go visit from time to time, I guess, right? [1:01:00] Speaker C (unidentified): I have a feeling that one might be a little more or straight forward and boom,, boom. [1:01:07] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah. I think so. [1:01:10] Speaker B (unidentified): Oh, that's the next one. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. [1:01:14] Speaker E (unidentified): Can you, if you go, do you know where to find it in our thingy? [1:01:21] Speaker C (unidentified): Oh, not the map. [1:01:28] Speaker E (unidentified): Here's my goal for following up the map. I have the pictures that we took from our walk. I just want to put whatever the numbers are on this map. Are they? Are they ABCD? Yes, they're ABCD. Okay. I just want to put what letter corresponds to these numbers for these pictures. And I couldn't do it myself. Let's just take five minutes to figure that out. So if you keep this map up here, all right, this was, did you put them in your document in order [1:02:11] Speaker F (unidentified): that you took them or did you mix them up? I think I put them in order that I took them. [1:02:17] Speaker E (unidentified): what was the day of that was monday 7 20 26. [Speaker A (unidentified): So in this] plan we started right of the 2, correct? We parked at the end. We part. Yeah, just adjacent to that larger forest area at E. And then we walk down the road, and so the first one we passed. We parked where we walk down the road. This is the first one here. [1:02:56] Speaker B (unidentified): I mean, somebody needed somebody unique. [1:03:00] Speaker E (unidentified): Well, we didn't have a map when we went out there, so that would be what we had. [1:03:04] Speaker F (unidentified): We did, because we were like, that's not a stream, wasn't that like the gravel [1:03:07] Speaker B (unidentified): wet one? No, this was a path. We did not, we did not, we did not touch that. No. Okay, so this is... You knew someone that was... It's a paved path with grass on either side. You knew someone who was at the corner of, there was a... She's on the ravine, so... Yeah, yep, that makes sense. [1:03:26] Speaker E (unidentified): Get in the raspberry bushes. Yeah, what happened here? All right, so we saw CG. So this one, I'm sorry, I'm wondering if this is C or if this is G. I think that's C. Oh, G. I think that's, I think it's G2. I [1:03:45] Speaker B (unidentified): think it's G. Okay, C was more wooded. Yep, G was kind of, all right, it's like a retention bond, so G. [1:03:55] Speaker E (unidentified): Where are you putting the G? I just typed it. When was this? July. Oh, yeah. All right. And then this one with the ravine moving down. No, don't move yet. [1:04:11] Speaker B (unidentified): That's that's that's that's that's so that's for her. [1:04:15] Speaker E (unidentified): Oh yeah, sorry, that's, that's gonna be right. Go down or pull it up. That's people. It was where [1:04:21] Speaker B (unidentified): that road comes off. This is not, because you could look through and see. Oh no, he said you're [1:04:30] Speaker E (unidentified): gonna order right B, they're chronological. Yeah, so you're moving down. I'm sorry, B. Yeah, where? Yeah, we walked down along the road and then we cut in and there was this. Okay, and then this [1:04:43] Speaker C (unidentified): yes, there's also a, because you guys didn't know, and A is actually a big, oh, I'm sorry, isn't that [1:04:48] Speaker B (unidentified): C? That one before was C, I think. Yeah, we know, because you took G. C is right across from G, and that was no, that had like a, that's the one that had like a, had a guardrail, wooden guard, guardrail. Yeah, the guardrail by the hands or something there. That one was just, you couldn't really see down to the bottom. All you could see, I think, was trees. [1:05:18] Speaker E (unidentified): Okay. I think this must be A then, because I think this is down along. We walked down the road there. Yeah. Yeah, this is the [1:05:27] Speaker C (unidentified): portion that's, yeah, it's across from, this is that huge. Yeah, exactly. All right. This [1:05:36] Speaker E (unidentified): this is the new retention pond. Oh now, is this one? So that's on the other end. Yeah, that's as, this one, whoops, let me see. Yeah, that's it. That all three of those are [1:05:59] Speaker B (unidentified): F. That's, you know, that's standing, that's, that's standing here looking that way. I think that's B. [1:06:07] Speaker E (unidentified): I agree, that's looking, and then that's looking that way. Are F the new retention time? Correct. Yeah, so this one with the guard rail is B, and then these two at the bottom are F. Yes. Yeah, [1:06:28] Speaker B (unidentified): the one that was the picture of the golden rod, I'm not really sure. I think that was, I think we got [1:06:32] Speaker E (unidentified): that one is, these are all F. That was, that was this one. This is all. That did you get a picture of this one? I don't know if I got a picture of this or the end here. Did [1:06:45] Speaker B (unidentified): you get a picture of this one? [1:06:49] Speaker E (unidentified): Hang on, so this one with all the multi-floor of rows, I think we came when we came back and went to the system on the way back. Yeah, the car is correct. Yeah, okay, so this is B and [Speaker A (unidentified): then bittersweet.] I think that was I [1:07:16] Speaker B (unidentified): don't think we saw any invasives on here. I think it was mostly that one. Because it's retention policy. And [1:07:29] Speaker E (unidentified): then this is where we parked. And then this is inside. That's in our official report. [1:07:51] Speaker B (unidentified): Is that report we make for every property? [1:07:55] Speaker E (unidentified): the ones that we have to monitor the easements on. Okay, so we only have three of them right now. Mallet Woods, Pleasant Woods, which is over by the Dairy Queen, and the Grange. [1:08:13] Speaker B (unidentified): get out pleasant street where it takes a hard right there's not a whole complex there 's a trail that goes through there that we preserved [1:08:25] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, and then the glades above home place we have walkway that connects to big ones this year. Yeah, it's almost full time job actually we'll have to do 2 here. [1:08:39] Speaker F (unidentified): Why are we monitoring just to make sure no one builds in it like we're monitoring it? [1:08:44] Speaker E (unidentified): That it needs if you have an easement yeah if you're making easement over but I mean is there [1:08:51] Speaker F (unidentified): Any did those open space have requirements of invasives or like anything so it's just like we're just monitoring it to make sure no one's still someone's not putting a shed in their [1:09:02] Speaker E (unidentified): Country the conservation easement for Mallet Woods is on they're all in our Google Drive under easements if you want to look at what the easement was that we here's the interesting thing which I [1:09:17] Speaker C (unidentified): Discovered as you guys were planning your walk is that we only officially have half of those easements I've reached out to the owner I mean that's the one you just had from Mallet Woods we only have I think the ones on this side and so I've reached out to him but we need to get those other easements so fun fact I guess technically you guys didn't have to go to half of those but if we're gonna be out there we must fulfill and also it is it is a requirement for [1:09:58] Speaker D (unidentified): The project so trespassed yeah we were pretty much on the road okay and [1:10:13] Speaker E (unidentified): Then the last thing just an update on the August activities we had the invasive species talk at in this building and then we went out on our pollinator walk so there were just three of us on the pollinator yeah three of us and super Pam pan sorry how's that looking it's looking good we saw some plants coming back that were native yeah asters blanket flower [1:10:53] Speaker C (unidentified): There's echinacea there, for sure. There's goldenrod, bee balm. [1:11:02] Speaker E (unidentified): I think those are the main ones that I saw. Oh, there's a It's called the brown-eyed Susans. Yes, I learned the difference between the two, which I did not know. I think it would be good to clip back the non-native lupine at some point in the next year. Maybe we'll have a meeting. [1:11:32] Speaker B (unidentified): Do we have to encourage people to burn it after we cut it off? [1:11:36] Speaker C (unidentified): I'm almost thinking encouraging people to cut the lupine flowers. Flowers to like decorate them home like encourage like leave no flowers standing like that's your lupin flowers sticking in the vase take it home I mean that would be it that would be spreading [1:11:53] Speaker F (unidentified): And I would make some senses though they just put it on their kitchen table. If it doesn't go to seed, it doesn't, it's not going to go to seed in their vase, it's going to die. But if it goes in compost, [1:12:08] Speaker E (unidentified): That's not a concern. That's what I would do with it. [1:12:11] Speaker F (unidentified): I don't know. Lupins don't spread. They have to flow. [1:12:14] Speaker B (unidentified): Sounds like a research project for some hole. [1:12:16] Speaker E (unidentified): But we should do something about it next year. Sounds good. But otherwise, it's looking good out there, and it was fun. Pretty sure. Okay. [1:12:25] Speaker B (unidentified): Good job. How was the In Spaces of Species talk? How many people showed up for that? [1:12:30] Speaker E (unidentified): There were a lot. It was pretty well attended. Like 20, I'd say. Oh, good. Plus some people on Zoom. It was really interesting. It was. Yeah, it was great. It was really informative. [Speaker C (unidentified): I'm not.] Do you? We have that as one of our YouTube videos. So maybe you could send me the link. And then we can post that where we have the invasive species. Yeah, hey, [1:13:05] Speaker F (unidentified): we should champion our Dp. Is having an our shore practitioners workshop in or no on the twenty-seventh of October. So that's living shorelines. So that would be a good thing to suggest people make people aware of. [1:13:29] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, can you give us information we can post that too. There's no one else here that's from the public, so we can skip public comments, right? Just one, okay, me, you upcoming events. Miyak, the main association of conservation commissions meeting is at 9 30 on October 24th, which is a Saturday. Usually we try to get at least one of us to go. It is at the Morrell meeting room at the Curtis Library in Brunswick, and the keynote speaker is from if interview. It's great. Did I write that down? Oh yeah, I wrote it down after the 24th. So check your calendars, think about it. There is a like a networking lunch, but you don't have to stay for it. And if anybody would like to go, you should probably let me know by, you know, the next week or so I can reserve spots for us. And it's free. [1:14:49] Speaker F (unidentified): So and last year we were there and I gave an update and no one from Brunswick was there and that was something like that. Yes, that wasn't, that wasn't even also if beware if you go and Shana's there she's gonna ditch you and make you do the update. I'm gonna be there till the end. [1:15:07] Speaker E (unidentified): Martial arts man. All right, upcoming agenda items other than the nap. Does anybody have anything we should add to November's agenda? All right, so back to me. Email me if you can go or want to go for any portion of the morning. Me, Chris and Audie have our terms ending this June. Also think about whether or not you want to apply to continue on the Conservation Commission. Information, if you decide you don't want to, letting me know that sooner than later is good, and also if you decide not to, it'd be great if you had names for other people we could contact. [1:15:54] Speaker B (unidentified): Because the only way you can give your reclamation is if you supply at least one bank can't. [1:16:02] Speaker E (unidentified): Leave during the nap update. Yeah, I don't know, so we've ever seen that. Yeah, so let me know, you're not obligated to let me know, but it would be helpful. Next business meeting is November 2nd and I. [1:16:23] Speaker F (unidentified): Think perfect. Oh, I might be missing November season. Well done, motion to adjourn. [1:16:36] Speaker B (unidentified): Just in the nick of time. [1:16:40] Speaker F (unidentified): So maybe I can go to MIA, but then I won't be able to be here. [1:16:49] Speaker B (unidentified): I can meet November science. [1:16:52] Speaker F (unidentified): Balance my select four, no home, no not showing up thing if I went to MIA. [1:17:00] Speaker C (unidentified): I promise you guys I don't have to stop the recording.