Harpswell emergency services building project about $1 million over target

[0:00] Speaker A (unidentified): Yep, all right, I guess we're ready. What [0:06] Speaker B (unidentified): do we want to start, chair? Do you want to turn it over to right, Ryan, to explain their updated? Yeah, we have no agenda so [0:21] Mark: to speak. Okay, so basically where we left the last meeting, if you were called two weeks ago, we had a great updated site plan from Silas, and we at that point in time wanted to reach out to some site subs to get some current site numbers. So that's what we've gotten. We'd like to get better site numbers. We're over where we'd like to be, but it was good to reach out to the market to get an understanding of where the market truly right now thinks, what do they think of this project, and as we said in the last meeting, the site number is going to be over where we thought it was. So at that point in time we had said we think it's going to be, that site's going to be worth at least 900,000. It came in higher than that, but the goal is really to, you know, you can't adjust what you don't know, so I think at this point in time we have some good competitive, I mean apples to apples numbers on the site drawings as we have them, and I think the goal now is to really work to reduce those numbers, potentially reduce some numbers inside the building. I feel like Andy's done a really nice job of constraining the building. [1:35] Speaker A (unidentified): My pencil is like down to a nub. [1:38] Mark: So I don't think, you know, we don't want to, the point is to build an emergency services station, not to VE it within an inch of its life. So this is a good, this is a good exercise. So with that, with all that introduction, Mark is really the one who did all the work. So Mark can kind of take you through perhaps just the comparison and then we can go into the details more. So it, you know, it, we've done two things here. We've done like a one-sheeter to kind of tell the story comparisonably to where we priced it in the different iterations over this boy, and then you also have the detailed packet attached. So, in really ginning it down, it's really kind of, we've done a lot of different kind of like, well, is it maybe a little less or more expensive? We've done three true kind of more iterations here, right? So we broke it down into these three buckets of the late February, the June, and the today. Day so we have adjusted with working with the Andy there. We've adjusted a lot of different things here, right, with the site and the size of the building and the type and the construction type and the materials of the building and all that. And you can also see the different sizes of where we are at here. So underneath each of these budget iterations you'll see the number of italicies, those are the actual footprint of the building, right. Yes, we've shrunk and done different things with it, but this is just the pure size of the building here. And then we broke it down into like each of these buckets into the into the three things here. So like the building cost, it's the actual hard cost of constructing this building without site, without, and then the site work costs are where we held a number previously, or you know, because we didn't, we kind of didn't like this building has moved a significant amount around this property, right. So we really have a site, so you can see that the first two that remain the same because we didn't have, we, you know, yes, we kind of did it, but we didn't have a true hard plan yet until the third budget to the current one. You can see that the jump in the site costs there, and then there's also the third line, the indirect cost. So these in that cost as the general conditions, the general requirements, and then also, and then we still do have in that number 5% estimating contingency. So that's just to sort of, you know, to sort of think about the fact that when we, and this is something we can talk about whether or not we want to keep that contingency there. I think this is, this is intended to sort of, you know, the drawings are very good, we think that they illustrate the intent of the project, but as you go forward and you start to look at how, where is everything connected, how do the, how do the trusses get connected to the framing, etc. There's often more costs that come out. The other piece that we're concerned about is getting through the new year. We are seeing costs go up, I'm sure you're all seeing costs go up on a daily basis of things. So that five percent number is something we could certainly adjust, but as we look towards actually bidding the project at the end of q1 next year, plus or minus, or in January, that's, that's typically when costs will go up more. significantly is as you roll through the new year and just if you look at the line that we're seeing right now you know diesel is six bucks a gallon etc we're hoping that those things will come down but we think that 's also played a part in the elevated paid some part in the elevated site costs we're seeing the site is also very different from what we had last time it's a better site design but think about you we do have a longer driveway to it etc so yeah so we went out to we went out to two trusted partners in this and they were looking at the same job they came back to us independently and gave us the same number here and they're like that's what this site is work and so this is not just this is not a stab in the shot in the dark this is this is a true educated number based on what they foresee on this and measuring like the site of the parking lot and this is the first phase if you will not the second one with at the keeping of that in mind as well that this is just the front but it depicts what's it this cost in the site budget now this in 31 in the bottom of the detail there or you can also see it in the sheet here that accurately reflects what is shown on the plan as for cost and how we adjust that downwards is something that we've done before we know that we can approach these things and there are things we can do we're gonna look at that over time and adjust it but that is what we're designing time right we're at a point in time and that's this design and that's what this design is worth so how do we change it we're gonna look we're gonna work with Silas and Port City on that to see if we can refine it in some ways. And I also think, I mean, it's very telling to me that the two numbers that we reached out to, the two different site subs we reached out to came in very close to one another. So that tells me, one, it's a good set of drawings for that level of estimating, right? The subs are looking at the same project. So that's good. I mean, you want a set of drawings that well describes the scope. But the second piece that says to me is, this is still a lot for site and so I think that right now you know in August September of 26 is an expensive time to be biddings to be looking at site we I mean I think you know barring other strange things happening the beginning of next year will probably be a better time for site I mean right now folks are trying to finish the work they have get stuff done before the gravel pits close etc so at the beginning once you get into the first quarter or a second quarter of next year people will be trying to fill up their book and I'm hoping that we can get folks who can be you know sharpen their pencil a little bit more we can also look at the site design and see if there are things that we can skinny up get some get some feedback from the site subs like hey if you know spec this kind of gravel we can definitely I've got that in my pit I can give you a better number so I think that now that we actually have some data we can definitely work on it some more to bring it down so we also kind of looked at it as a percentage wise like what is where the cost kind of like driving in this site number right so like I kind of I did back of the this is my back of the envelope math here real quick this was so we're like it at 5% of like kind of like erosion and some general items the earth moving costs you know probably forty five percent something like that paving is it's it's some but it's not it's only fifteen sixteen something like that and then there's a bunch of utility costs in there and landscape so that kind of rounds out the remainder of the balance out of a hundred percent there so can [9:30] Speaker B (unidentified): you just repeat that what number was your hundred percent that you were giving you were ticking off where paving is can we see it in the sheet that's well in this number 1.3 is that where you paid the 1.3 okay but do you have a breakdown of that 1.3 lump sum on this yeah we could I'm just trying to follow [9:50] Mark: yeah this is a lot of this the percentage on that is based off of right now because they did we didn't get detail estimates because it's okay so it is kind of like it's like it's a feel and it's compare it they're comparing it against other projects that they've done similar sizes and they did a little rough takeoff they gave me one number yeah I broke this number the one three down based on my experience on that previously I can send you along those [10:19] Speaker B (unidentified): No, I'm just trying to understand, because there's a lot of breakdown of like your indirect cost of the 1.2, but then the 1.3 you've got just three areas. You've got earthwork sub allowance, the fire cistern allowance, and the ledge removal allowance. So there's a lot in that 1.2, and I'm just trying to [10:37] Mark: understand what the components are yep no and that is why I tried to give you an idea that it's not all just one it's not just moving right you have you know you 're doing a lot of different things with that 1.3 you know as we go along we'll break that 1.3 apart more but the 1.3 is the number that yeah we present because we got it that's what we got from our partners do you think we can go back to them and ask them to break it down? I mean, it just [11:16] Speaker B (unidentified): might be helpful under earthwork to indicate that includes paving, and then, yeah, but when I look at earthwork, I don't always think that painting is included in the number. Yes, and then of course your indirect costs are, you when you do that 5%, it's based on your site work figure, right, when you're taking all of it? Yeah, all of it, okay, yeah, so the entire budget above that point, mm-hmm, so as those costs may come down and that contingency piece may come down as well, that covers your unknowns, right, and what we would like to [11:52] Mark: do, I mean, typically what happens, so here we are at basically a DD level, Candy, okay, so five percent is a good place to be for contingency for a DD estimate. So if we go to a next estimate, I don't know if we're planning to do a 75 or 90 estimate, we certainly could, I would then, what that usually means is that, you know, up to what Andy wants to do, then the drawings get more detailed out, you get better, not you get more detailed numbers from subs, and I would reduce that contingency. Does it fall out of the project? No, it typically goes into the lines up above, so the five percent is really sort of the unknown, and we put a box around it, that's called five percent. Does that make sense? Okay, thank you. And anything in the indirect, so in the, in the detail thing, you'll see the direct cost of work, so that we kind of call it above or below the line at that point. So anything you imagine you drew a hard line across there. Anything above the line is actual like cost of the work, right? It's hammer. It's the studs, the nails, the paving, everything, and then below it are just percentages on that, right? So that's the escalation. It's the insurances That's the bonds that are fee on that as well. That's the indirects So I was a general bucket, so obviously if you can reduce the construction cost, so the goal here, so then Andy can also report on the soft cost. The goal here is to get the whole project to a total of six million, correct, okay, including soft cost. So we've got a fact, you know, Andy has to report out on that, but obviously we are over. My goal would be, can we take a couple hundred K out of the site costs? That's a nice chunky number. How can we reduce site? So let's see if we can take couple hundred K out of the site costs, and then there are other opportunities like, so for example, we've got the generator in here. Can the generator be, you know, can you get a grant for the generator, so that becomes not, you know, not part of this packet, so every, and also every time we reduce these, the number, the costs, obviously all the costs below get reduced also. I think we also took a week to schedule a little bit time refinement because of the improved conditions with this site, right, and yeah, it's so that like you're saying, anything, anytime we affect the direct cost of the work, any of those percentages are automatically reduced. You also kind of see on this, on the one page sheet here, in keeping it in a higher level view, that the building design as we've looked at it has, we as we were fine in any, it's we get better and better each time, the building costs are getting better and better on this, the site is what's really kind of driving that. So does that make sense what we're saying? Yeah, it's not like we have, oh, we have to take more out of the building. The building is moving in the right direction, right, the building is pretty, is as pretty lean as it can get. Yeah, so i think that's what's pretty clearly shown in this nice comparison. Yeah, i tried to do a one sheet to kind of be a more of a rather than have this dense book of excel math, so that's where we are. i do you want to talk about the soft costs? Yeah, i think so, yeah, that's, you know, frank [15:44] Speaker B (unidentified): and i can share [15:47] Speaker A (unidentified): I think i've got another one, so that's the hard cost of it. That's not all the project costs in it, so we'll try to do that. [16:06] Speaker B (unidentified): Because we just got this from the construction house. [16:11] Speaker A (unidentified): So I'd like to go take another pass at this committee again. [16:19] Mark: We can include the company. [16:21] Speaker B (unidentified): under things so [16:29] Speaker A (unidentified): There's starting in the in these pieces and there are a couple things that I think we need to still talk about that are gonna be town costs. I put up in the top the five million basically for the construction and the 1.2 for the site. Anyway it's about six point two is their number. Things like a AB systems radio dispatch I think that I didn't have a number for a repeater so I've got some numbers going and I think we need to just kind of go over that. I think generator I took out because they had it in theirs a turnout gear lockers the SCBA filling equipment I think you know and some of these numbers I mean maybe we could defer some of them but we need to get enough in here to make sure the station's working. Extractor and a dryer cabinet kitchen and you I might be over on that one I think you guys had kitchen appliances so that one may be doubled up the 10,000 fitness equipment again that might be something that was deferred 10,000 80s pretty good number for just bunks and furniture Desks etc probably in this project we don't we don't shouldn't have anything under other costs there's no hazardous removals there's no well maybe some building I think the building signage also talked should be yeah in there yeah we have definitely talked with silas today so you know about the permits etc and you know what just have some numbers in there for going with that and permitting the wetlands some of these you've already done boundary topo soils to be might have done better on the Boundary topo i think not sure then our fees architecture engineering fees I put in some numbers for a septic and well-designed and so anyway bottom line is that's about seven hundred thirty two thousand and soft cost plus I put a contingency of 73 so soft costs on the project are standing at about 800 which puts the whole project at the moment in the in about a million over where we'd like to target so it's not a good thing. I was disappointed to hear the site came in so expensive on it I think we can keep working on these numbers as we do at this point I think we're in the right location I'm convinced of that there's not a better location I think I've got the right building wood frame building i don't think you know that we can do a better you know a more economical building than the construction type that we have before we start really turning it into a building that's going to cost you a lot of money to maintain so my proposal would be and i've talked to silas i we need to start Moving forward to get this into planning board, he's going to shoot for a November planning board, November, possibly in December. He's getting all this site because we know it's going to go in that location. We have the federal monies that we would be hopeful for that's there, if that, if that comes through, then and we're sitting golden on it. So I think the latest on that is the current budget runs out December 15, something along those lines. I would anticipate we'll probably have a government shutdown for 30 to 60 days or whatever the usual is. So that would be sometime in January, February that, so right now our soul is waiting. You've been advanced by Collins and King. The next step is to get included in the budget and to then have that budget passed by Congress, and then we can start all the USDA paperwork, etc. We have a person on staff now since I've got about six projects with USDA funding. Ian is just going to handle the USDA paperwork. There's 66 steps to go through for that million and a half, and forms to be filled out, et cetera. I'm just going to include that in our costs that we have right now. But I think going forward, like I said, if the budget, if that set aside dollars comes through, we're sitting pretty with another half a million to go or that, you know, we can, you know, turn back or do whatever you want to do with it. And I think, I do think the site number as Cordelia said is high. That's, you know, three 250 feet of road. I know it's up the hill, but, you know, it's just really a big driveway. And there's, I think Silas has done a lot to minimize. There shouldn't be really any significant blasting. How much was it? So we looked [22:27] Mark: at it was you know somewhere and like it's not as much feel it's it's it's below it's only maybe 100 yards of rock or so to deal with which is a little bit it's not and it's those are mostly is just going to show up as nubs here and there most likely maybe a little bit in the building but it's you know we're going to be under be somewhere in like the six to eight thousand yard of fill which is it's it's not nothing but it's not it's not a huge fill site i mean what you have working against you on some of these are the macro economic issues on cost of materials and transportation and things that is moving the needle as much as any [23:11] Speaker A (unidentified): Local or design issues, yeah, I think, you know, that we're seeing it in all the projects right now. Just it was an unexpected, you know, another unexpected year of price increases with, you know, tariff, tariffs and oil prices, etc. So if not, or if Senator Collins isn't around, then I don't think we can count on the set-aside. So we're going to start to keep looking at that, how to bring this down. Again, I say, I look at it, and it's like, even if the site's 1.2, just for that building, it's like 11,000 square feet. Like five million dollars can't build you a slab on grade wood framed building, you know, it's like, so you know, it's just continuous price increases. It's a terrible market. It's probably the worst I've been my whole career right now. I mean, Covid went up 20 something percent, I thought, you know, never came down, you know, and now we're up another 12, you know, percent since, you know, we did that budget here and a little over a year ago. So but well, we determined to make it work. I got some other ideas as well and I think we want to just go, I know that's the site, I think we ought to go ahead and move forward with the permitting. We're moving forward, I've got, we've got drawings for the wood frame building. If we need to chunk off a piece of it or do something like that, we can, but I think you want to permit the whole building, you know, no matter what we do on there, and especially with DEP, etc. So well, you know, Silas moving forward, we're gonna go in the next, in between now the next meeting, we're gonna kind of stake off the corners up there where the building is. We're gonna do some more probes just to get maybe a little bit better idea, you know, what the ledge is doing underneath the foundation that we've got. I think we can tune things up a bit, a million, so it's a big number to look at, but you know, we'll continue to do the best we can and hopefully these guys will get some better pricing [25:56] Mark: you know going on that and we are seeing, I mean, the site number is as we said last night time, you know, site was coming in was looking at like it was going to be high, but at that point, you know, as of the last meeting, we did have a good site drawing, so that's what's gone out to subs. What I would suggest here, I would agree completely with Andy, what I would suggest here is to continue to develop the full building, you know, get this through the planning board, go to the next step, and then what on our Side what we would do is just bid it really hard because there's the aspect of you know getting numbers from subs where they're like oh I'd really like to get this and then when it really comes right down to it and you're like no this is permitted we're gonna go build this it tends to make people sharpen their pencils. Do I think a million dollars is going to magically drop out of this? No I don't but I think we can do you know always at this phase of the game it doesn't come out in one big chunk. It will work its way out in small pieces here and there and that's and on both sides of the soft costs. [27:01] Speaker A (unidentified): Again that we could defer a few things I don't want you to go in with no furniture or things like that but I think you know or if we could find other you know avenues to get you the generator to get some you know a CBA machine that type of thing so well I think also you guys will work on then I think now we can really start the value engineering on this piece and I think we're gonna we're gonna plan still for a worst case scenario that the money doesn't come through and hope that it does and if. It does we're you know We're swimming with a half a million dollar extra. [27:47] Speaker E (unidentified): Any idea What the flexibility is on the year in other words that if the congressional earmark comes along Does it have to be all used for hard costs? [27:58] Speaker A (unidentified): It would it will be. [28:00] Speaker E (unidentified): Be well the reason I'm asking is because there is a cascade system and a compressor in town okay right if we had to defer something we have one in town we're not without so my question is if that was what came out of the phase one project and then the money congressional money came available and then we would put that towards the system for the for the town stations I. [28:26] Speaker A (unidentified): Think they're gonna they're gonna look at it as just a package so you've got enough hard cost in here that if you wanted to put that into the hard costs and have some of the town money go into some equipment it's all that the bond was for hard and soft cost it was for a complete package so the short answer is yes you can we can put that all it's just you know where we where we show it the other thing that we're kind of learned and I'm learning through Ian on our staff now that is that although. The USDA kind of has a, you know, you can't do anything until Congress approves the budget, and then you fill out this form, and then you get to hire your architect, then you hire your contractor, that we can get pretty much everything, you know, pushed back retroactively until you put a shovel in the ground, and then that's done. So we want to continue moving forward. We'll take care of paperwork for you with USDA funds if that's, you know, so fortunate. Last year after the budget shut down and then the, you know, the, I think it was in January at some time, the reopening of the government, Senator Collins penciled in every fire station and that she had put, set aside money for, so and they the Tomlinson got, so a couple projects get funded as soon as, and I'm hoping that would be the same this year, as soon as the budget opens, I, you know, it's funny to think of, just the norm now is that the government shuts down every time there's a budget, but that's kind of the way it is, no, so when we reopen and, you know, maybe it'll prove me wrong, but when we reopen, hopefully, you know, this project gets put in, so I think we're looking right now, if we go through November, December, plan it, you know, DP push like that, the January, March, April, you know, so we'll be an early spring, you know, we'll find out, and hopefully March on the money and it'll be an early spring, we'll have a contingency on what to do if the dollars aren't there, and the construction start will be but even [31:10] Speaker E (unidentified): if they are, based on what we were hearing at the last meeting, the money appropriated for last year just came available, right, so it's yes, but you can [31:18] Speaker A (unidentified): once you're yes but once you're yeah once you are you can start the process when the way we can start the USDA paperwork you're gonna get the money when you're in the federal budget and the budgets been passed so when you get the money is more of a cash flow I think piece item of it so but I can bring in into the more knowledgeable than I am on the piece but he's been doing federal grant work for 15, 20 years in the state. [32:01] Mark: So can you sort of structure it so that as you're cash flowing, you're assuming that 1.5 happens at the end? [32:09] Speaker A (unidentified): It's just put in, as far as my understanding, I don't know if I'll bring any in to just get into more of the particulars, but it's for this project. And as long as you know, I'm not so it you know I'll have to See whether we can dig Before you know, is it when the money's? Past Congress or is it when they actually send you the check? Keep doing the best we can. But I think, like I said, the building's in the right location. It's the right building. It's a tighted design. I set my pencils down to a nub. Sharpened it so many times. And it's a good flow. It's a good station. It's all wood. It's as good as I can do. [33:23] Speaker E (unidentified): If you had to hazard a guess based on that $7 million figure, if the congressional money comes available does that leave enough money to do phase two so [33:35] Mark: let's let's just so let's just say if it comes in at this number I mean I guess what we need to understand a little bit more is what goes into making that helipad right we don't that still has to be designed [33:51] Speaker E (unidentified): right well I was thinking even yeah the back doors yeah you're already gonna pave it so I'm assuming you guys have some sort of foundation and I don't know [34:06] Mark: what that foundation yeah that's what we don't know but I mean we can easily because we don't have those numbers in this for the back three doors and okay [34:16] Speaker A (unidentified): It's really just more paving. [34:18] Mark: And just putting those doors in. [34:20] Speaker E (unidentified): Well, and the ledge, right? We keep on coming around to the ledge. You get phase two in, you've got to break up all that ledge alongside where the building's going to be. [34:30] Speaker A (unidentified): I think, you know, and we'll tell you more next week, too, that, you know, as we probe out there, I think what we'd certainly like to do, if they're out there kind of busting up some ledge, I'd bust up the ledge for phase two as well and I want to you don't want to go [34:50] Speaker E (unidentified): back out there and do more be hammering right next to a building you're right [34:54] Mark: breaking up all your sheetrock right we're using on the assumption like a 12 to 18 inch layer above the rock currently so because it's it's it's [35:06] Speaker E (unidentified): there it's not there not can I also ask another question out of ignorance and that is the conversation around fill is less expensive than removing of ledge but what the price of diesel is that really true if you're gonna remove ledge anyways and you can put it through one of those machines that breaks it up on site and reuse it for your fill for your driveway is it cheaper to bring fill in at that point with the price of diesel and everything that's going on as a big [35:41] Mark: Big picture view, yes, because you're still using diesel to pull the latch out, right? Because it's a, it's a big machine to either hammer it or drill it, and then you're using explosives if you're going to shoot it. That's diesel. So I mean, you crush it and then you crush it, those are typically a diesel thing too. So like that is a gay thing. So like it's, it's all, and the way it's, and the design that is there because of how the, it's kind of like a oddly tipped kind of flat plane, if you will. So it's not Like we have to pull rock out on high spot in the middle. It's kind of shaped in the way that if we just filled it to put it flat, it's going to be easier overall. And it wasn't because of some of the volumes of these things, it's just overall it ended up being, you know, there are some fills, but this, I've seen projects with significantly more fills on this. We're not talking huge, volumes on this. [36:42] Speaker E (unidentified): No, I was just curious because I was thinking the difference between the cost for hauling and worth reusing, and at the same time, you would, and it probably wouldn't amount to much, but your elevation would drop down slightly as well, so you might not have to have as much fill to start with. [36:56] Speaker A (unidentified): That's what we're, that's what we want to poke around, probe exactly what we're guessing on, you know, the depth of the ledge and just under the building right around there. So Silas got his little GPS. It's actually in this location fairly accurate. So we're just going to come in with some steaks kind of put the corners up there. And we're doing that because Summit could not get their equipment up there. So our geotech couldn't, couldn't access the site. So and again because it's, you know, everywhere I've probed over there it's, you know, 10 to 24 inches it starts well organic on top of rock. So it's, I suspect that's what it'll be, but, as the site goes up, that's that it rises in a corner, and so if it's still 10 to 24 inches then we'll have to shave some off there. So it's a real balance between cut and fill and we don't want to go up too high that makes the roads deeper, etc. So but it is the right place. I'm sure it is. I'm sure if we had tried to keep the existing site shoehorned in there, we'd be even seeing more than the 1.2 and 1.3. So I think this is still the least [38:22] Mark: expensive location I don't think on that last site either on the edge of the road I like I don't think it would even though we squeezed it on there on the drawing I don't think it would really truly work either being that close to some of the setbacks [38:38] Speaker A (unidentified): it was super tight to kind of keep that extremely difficult yeah you're not supposed to disturb within 25 feet and we were kind of like 26 feet away you know we [38:52] Speaker E (unidentified): would have made the bigger mystery in harmful is not how much top soil you have but what kind of ledges underneath yeah [38:57] Speaker A (unidentified): but we'll we'll you know dig away we'll bring a shovel too and you know dig away and Silas can take a look at it too and let you know but I think yeah you know I don't even want to say on budget so I was going to say I know this will this is not going to go up anymore this is going to go [39:17] Mark: down but that's the goal that's the goal so I think for our next meeting we can start to come up with some more value management ideas and just sort of look at things we could can we put them into a different bucket can we make them cost less can we put them off to another point in time so we can come up with a sort of a laundry list of things for folks to [39:36] Speaker A (unidentified): accept and again we have we do have I have in this number another 75,000 and town contingency which I still think we should keep down as we get closer we can knock those numbers down you know as well so where do you carry the utilities to the building [40:08] Mark: what number is that in that's all in that site worker okay that's a that's a yeah bucket that's not can we and that does drive it up so I can help I can break it out a little bit wondering where that was if you were sitting in it you know in a place that had more utilities in the street, it would be less expensive. But we don't. Yeah, I mean, you're having your own container of sprinkler water, right? And you're having your own disposable septic field and you're having your own well. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just you pay for that. [40:52] Speaker B (unidentified): Is septic in that number, too? I was going to say, it's helpful to know what's in that number. We don't want to forget something. [41:03] Speaker A (unidentified): The only things that I'd like the committee to look at, too, I think we had talked about them a while back when we started this, was just antenna, you know, like a repeater. There's just some, and I think they're smaller items, but I just want to get them all in, you know, and also I probably need some more, you know, we're just going to have some sort of security system. I don't know what we're doing, station learning. Learning there's also there's all a lot of numbers in the system says harps will to coordinate so but I think if we could kind of look at that and if you had ideas on what we're doing I'd like to get those kind of flushed out as well get the numbers more accurate as accurate as we can yep yeah it was you know next meeting it'll be much better news I think Silas and I might I don't know if we'll come up that meeting before maybe three will We'll be up there probing the collage. [42:17] Speaker E (unidentified): How about the minutes for the last meeting? Post [42:23] Speaker A (unidentified): them online. Anybody read the minutes from the last meeting? [42:31] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah. We'll do it next time. I think they all shook their heads. Oh, okay. [42:37] Speaker A (unidentified): I couldn't tell. Yes, no, or... [42:41] Speaker E (unidentified): I move we approve the minutes from the last meeting. Second. I'll approve. [42:47] Mark: All right can I ask a quick question so I saw the emails back and forth with the life flight folks how do we what's sort of the next step with them or well I [42:59] Speaker E (unidentified): thought Silas was gonna be communicating with them okay I haven't I haven't heard any response back on that okay yeah I think the information okay good