Limerick Budget Committee reviews library, public areas, and building budgets

[9:51] Selectman (Chair): Welcome to the October 15th, 2026 Plan Budget Committee. Two of the selectmen are with us tonight, and try to get a lot done now. We have to do the, everybody got a chance to read the minutes. Did she get [10:32] Selectman: the, did you get a package like this? Oh good, nice job. [10:42] Selectman (Chair): Library is the first one, Cindy Smith. We didn't need her, we're just gonna review [10:49] Selectman: you it? No. She was invited? Yeah. Did she tell anybody she wasn't coming? Courtney had done it the last time when I asked about it, so I guess she didn't do it, but I mean there's not that much. Let's see what your questions are. No, I just wanted to know what that annual contract was, just a question or two. There's the correct one, that one didn't, this is the only total 2026. Yeah, I was wondering what that was. Is it a state thing? Is it a, I don't know, do you have any idea? It's only three thousand one hundred eighty nine dollars for 25. It might I don't know, I know they've done it on there every year. Yeah, library system. I wonder if it's a state thing, you know? Maybe for the library system, the digital stuff. The only question I would have had for Cindy is if she is aware of any grants that [12:47] Town Manager: that may be available for libraries [12:50] Selectman: or the activities that she runs, because the library's doing a fantastic job. They're bringing in toddler groups and everything, and I wondered whether there might be some grants available for that. But we can ask her that by email. Because I know she had a STEM program, and I don't know if that came in as a, as a grant, or if there was some leeway on the price on that, because it's a state-encouraged program. Cindy's usually really good with the budget and, you know, with grants not available, things are out of price. You know, she gets volunteers in. Yes. [13:46] Selectman (Chair): So... Does anybody know what her budget was last year? [13:50] Selectman: It was just 3%. It was $97,000 and it's now $100,000. It was 3% lower last year. So that is really just the COLA on the reduced. So I think I would be very happy to approve that. [Speaker F (unidentified): Yeah,] none of these things we can touch as far as, you know, supplies, 17, 20. She's been using everything, and it's been working. [14:34] Selectman (Chair): The hours are the same. They haven't increased hours. [14:38] Selectman: On the expense summary report, she's very close to being on target to meet her 100%. She will meet that next year. Only [14:53] Selectman (Chair): high, one would be the books and audiovisual. The other ones, they're just contracted services. What would that be? [15:10] Selectman: That was what we were talking about. Oh, that one there, okay. [15:15] Town Manager: But I will say that since it's a contracted service, [15:19] Selectman: She's not going to be able to adjust that price. [15:22] Selectman (Chair): Is that the ones that she brings people in on different displays and stuff like that? [15:25] Town Manager: Is that maybe you can, you know, reach out to her? Yeah, okay, it's a contracted service, typically. [15:31] Selectman (Chair): It's a, it's a set stop. Oh, there's no negotiation. You found it, she found it right there, contracted services, annual contract, the system, cloud library, carpet cleaning, copy of contract, main state library, v and delivery, and website annual support, state thing, including extra costs for training, that was, that goes up the next page. The only question I had was the [16:03] Town Manager: library system annual contract, but that entails, but it looks like there's not [16:07] Selectman (Chair): something that we can, so that one's a good one. Okay, now we've got debit services. [16:17] Selectman: Debt. Oh, debt. Debt. That's for the fire? The fire station. And so I'm guessing that 's going to be the same every year? [16:26] Selectman (Chair): So that's not the running of the station. That is the cost. That's the loan. That's the loan. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And that's whatever. Mandatory. [16:35] Selectman: Yeah. Okay. So that's the cost. How many years do you know? A lot. Yeah. It's going to outlive all of us? Yes. Hopefully. [16:48] Selectman (Chair): Okay, now we've got zoning, review the budget. Okay, now I know it's been removed, but I have a question on it. What was on it? There's no costs, there's no stipends, there's maybe some ads. Is it lawyer's fees? What would have been on that? [17:21] Selectman: So I think we just wait on that one. Just postpone that one. We removed it. It was on the agenda because it was actually, there was a budget there, but it's disappeared off to be revised. [17:35] Selectman (Chair): So let's just, okay. Administrative costs for the board of selectmen right there. One page. [17:47] Selectman: Okay. And everything's equal to last year. I mean, there's... Supply. It went up a total of $25. Yeah. Yeah. There were some things moved around. [Selectman (Chair): Advertising went down.] The Microsoft Office licenses, those are all included in that $6,000? Yes. Great. [18:14] Selectman (Chair): Okay. Okay, I think miscellaneous supplies a little higher. Yes, a little over $1,000. [18:24] Selectman: And that's because they were actually a postage [18:28] Selectman (Chair): miscellaneous supplies, is that what postage and stuff? No, postage was 95, yeah. [18:34] Selectman: But this is miscellaneous supplies that includes paper, that includes cans, that includes clothes. [18:38] Selectman (Chair): Oh, okay, everything that's gone up. [18:40] Town Manager: Yeah, and they [18:44] Selectman: Were over budget this year. So that's why you're going over. So that's why it had to be increased. That's actual expenditure, everything going up, the lease on the commercial copier and the document overage. Is there any possibilities, Janet had pointed out there's possibilities to buy out leases sometimes if you've had a lease for a few years, that might be beneficial. [19:18] Town Manager: This one's a fairly new lease. [19:20] Selectman (Chair): Okay. I was gonna say it's a new copier. [19:22] Selectman: Yeah, it's a new copier, new lease. So it would be expensive. Yeah, and with as fast as we go through things? No. It's not worth it. It's not worth it to purchase. Because if it's leased, all the repairs are handled. Exactly. Yeah. In terms of maintenance. [19:39] Selectman (Chair): Okay. And the special services high-grade business tax bill, why is that eliminated? What was it, nobody even knew what that was. Okay, and the rest is the same, Morgan waves spectrum, and spectrum is different than the SRC TV. Okay, yeah, okay. [20:14] Selectman: Grant writing, do you have a consultant writing the grants, John? John Cleveland,, we have, we have, there are several people that are used. Okay. So when they come up, if they're available, we have people. Very good. All right. [20:47] Selectman (Chair): General assistance. Heat's gone down. Utilities the same. Rent's gone up. So that pretty much took care of the savings on heat and rent and, yep, just moved figures around. Based on the last year's charges. [21:19] Selectman: Hopefully the general assistance that this will cover everything. The thing with general assistance is the town gets reimbursed for 70% or 75% of all approved. Through the state assistance that we send out. So we end up getting a check for a chunk of that back. Okay. So is this net of the check that you, so this is the only assistance that we give? Oh, this is what we put in for the budget because we have to spend it first. And there are times where, like recently, we've spent $3,000 on a hotel room for somebody. That's not state approved. That's coming out of taxpayer money. Okay. [22:10] Selectman (Chair): So we do the assistance when it comes up and it has to be, then it comes, okay. That was my question. [22:17] Selectman: So when you get that money back, does it go back in this fund? [22:23] Town Manager: Yeah, I haven't seen it go back. [22:25] Selectman: So it just goes into the general. I think it would be easier more transparent if in the future we could have a positive amount going in to make that clear where we get it from. Yes, yeah. Understand, yeah, no trio does not, okay. Okay, I don't think that one public. [23:08] Selectman (Chair): Public areas and cemeteries, all right, buildings, municipal building. We don't have any tolls and mileage. No, I don't think that's the right, that this [23:24] Selectman: is public buildings. You need to go to the public, the public areas. Okay, here's the [23:33] Town Manager: one. But to answer your question, we don't know why they have mileage for a building. Okay, well I'm [23:39] Selectman (Chair): just looking at the, because that's the next one on mine. No, this one of the seven. Oh, okay, I'll get back to that one. All right, services, okay, personnel. Which [23:53] Selectman: one are you looking at? We're looking at public area cemeteries, the [24:05] Selectman (Chair): public grounds, buildings, grounds, that must be the mowing contracts and such? Yes? No? Number 14. [24:19] Selectman: There's the mowings down there, but then there's buildings and grounds, that's repair and maintenance. There's 30. So I was looking at this and it does seem that we haven't used the entire amounts this year. Well, I've got it, wait a minute unfortunately and I'm going to [Speaker F (unidentified): like this] the selectors stopped using that for the most part, I understand, because we were finding too many errors. Yeah, and we are finding other areas where we're having corrections made, so [Speaker H (unidentified): this is] for public areas, okay, I do understand [25:17] Selectman (Chair): Personnel. Who would be the personnel, janitor? Who is the $1,300 a year? [25:28] Selectman: I mean, that could be Isaac. That could be part of Isaac doing that. Or if we hire somebody from the outside to come in, just to do, if they're putting up flags. Hiring somebody just to come put up flags. [25:46] Selectman (Chair): Because they have, it's FICA and Medicare is taken out, but nothing else. [25:52] Selectman: Right, which means it's, they don't make enough when they do it each time. [25:58] Selectman (Chair): Gotcha. Okay. Supplies would be supplies, Tibbets Park, and Memorial Day. Memorial Day, I understand. Tibbets Park is, we have the contracted person cut the lawns, or is it done separate? Okay. Okay, so what would be the $1,100 for Tibbetts Park? For Tibbetts Park. [26:27] Selectman: Under supplies, it depends on, I mean, they do flags, they do various things, anything. [26:35] Selectman (Chair): Flowers, blah,, okay. [26:37] Speaker H (unidentified): And also the water maintenance. There was, the faucets had to be changed this year. Okay. There was other to maintain. [26:46] Selectman (Chair): Besides what the contractor does to mow it, there's other things to, okay. Yep, buildings and grounds, so [26:58] Selectman: Buildings and grounds is 30,000 now when we look at the expense summary, and I know there's issues. There's something down here with Highland Cemeteries, 21,951, which didn't have a budget, and I'm assuming that should go up. It should go up here, repairs and maintenance, I think. This Highland Cemetery has been put in the wrong code because there was no budget for [27:39] Selectman (Chair): it at all. So the contract did- [27:40] Selectman: And there's 8,497 coming out this month on that. [27:46] Selectman (Chair): Okay, that must be the mowing, because the total is $35,405 for mowing in professional landscaping for a three-year contract. So that's the mowing, yes. [27:57] Selectman: Well, if that's the mowing, then we have this other amount, repairs, which hasn't been used at all, and there's $30,000 put in there. Yeah, there's double. There's something wrong there. I would reject this budget and ask for, I would say that we need to have that looked at. We need to have some more answers on this one. We need to get the actual expenditures here put in the correct place, and it should be. That won't happen this year. I can tell you that right now. All right. Julie doesn't have time with the audit going on now. [28:36] Selectman (Chair): Who did the budget for the public areas? [28:39] Selectman: The Board of Selectmen did. Okay. We can't use the expense summary. [28:42] Selectman (Chair): No, but what I was wondering, I think, what that $30,000 goes for. [28:48] Selectman: It goes for any repairs that have to go into the building. [28:52] Selectman (Chair): But there's none. The cemetery has no building. There have been. [28:55] Selectman: It's just not coming out of there. That's where our issue is with the books. I mean, we had mileage. What buildings are we talking about? [29:09] Selectman (Chair): What would, there's no. [29:10] Selectman: Municipal buildings are, or for the municipal buildings? No,, no. Or buildings and grounds. Buildings and grounds. Buildings and grounds is 30. It should be split. [29:20] Selectman (Chair): It should have, because I know that we voted. [29:23] Selectman: It's not going to be split, though, because these are based on the books. The way the budgets are laid out, they're done so that they're easy to put in a tree. [29:35] Selectman (Chair): Yes, but it doesn't explain where the money goes. I know this place here needs a lot of work, [29:40] Selectman: but the cemetery uses none more, you know, we actually have a lot of work done in here that it just doesn't get credited to the proper account, or taken out of the proper account, which makes it really difficult when we're trying to do budgets, or when you guys are trying to review budgets, this isn't being spent when it actually is, it's just coming out of somebody else's account. So this $30,000 that has not been used, there's still $13,000 left, I think $13,000 left on the mowing budget. [30:19] Selectman (Chair): Oh, that still is a three-year contract, so it's not ongoing, it's not the end of the year yet. [30:25] Selectman: I would say that 30,000 should be put on hold. It should not be budgeted for until someone can show what was spent this year. I agree, I'd like to see the breakdown, and if there's, there's no way to do it and you can't, we'd love to be able to give you a breakdown, but I will give you [30:42] Speaker H (unidentified): brief examples. The elevator need has to be serviced, okay, that's a requirement for public use, [30:50] Selectman: okay, but this is, this is all, but you have it on, but this is the same, a tree exposure, no, it's public areas, buildings and grounds. Oh, buildings and grounds, I, Cemetery 520 repairs, and yeah, okay, so that 30,000 is like for the elevators. [31:16] Town Manager: Heat pumps going in, was that a different account? [31:26] Selectman: That was a different account when the heat pumps went in, but any service comes out of all of this. [31:33] Selectman (Chair): Out of this part? This particular one? [31:38] Selectman: All of that stuff that you're talking about is somewhere else. The elevator is somewhere else. The gazebo, all the work that had to be done last year to the gazebo, that came out of this. [Speaker F (unidentified): Well,] it didn't really, because it hasn't been taken anything out of. No, that's our point. So who paid for the gazebo? The town. From what? This account. Not that one. It should have come from here, but it didn't. It should have been debited from that account. It's not being correctly taken out of somebody else's budget somewhere else. And that's not fair either. We don't know where. But we don't want to see a 30,000. I mean, that's a huge amount. We don't want to see that unless there is some movement from another account into that someone has to... [32:40] Town Manager: I'm just going to say, [32:41] Selectman: then you guys are going to have to get together with Julie and tell her to fix the books. Yeah. Because we have no control over what she does. If we make a list of questions. If we make a list of questions. [32:53] Selectman (Chair): And then as she's going through her things, then she can answer each question rather than having a bunch of questions thrown at her. Have a list of questions on this account here. She's in that account. She can break it down for us. [33:06] Selectman: Mary, we want to know where's the gazebo getting paid from. So this one's a no. [33:12] Selectman (Chair): Yeah, we'll have to go on that one. And yeah, but we know the elevator and such. And what was the other? Portable septic. Is that all the port parties? Oh, I was going to say, when you said that amount, yeah, okay, well, Gerald was telling us that, okay, it's elevator service, of the fall, that's fine, you know, it's breaking down rather than having a building grounds 30 grand, I mean, you know. [33:47] Selectman: We can't, because we don't, because they don't do line item accounting. [33:54] Selectman (Chair): Maybe it should start next year. [33:56] Selectman: It's not going to happen. It's a lot of work. That's a system issue. It's a system issue, but... This one's too large to pass on. It's not fair to that account that it's going to where there's something already here for it. You know what I mean? The other account that it's pulling from, that's not fair to that account either. That's correct. I don't disagree. Yeah. So no one in the lowest department has. Yeah. [34:24] Town Manager: Yeah, just as a thought maybe instead of going backwards and trying to figure out where that monies were allocated those repairs have been done as my understanding, maybe moving forward, maybe I don't know if the select board has an idea of like how many repairs we're going to need for the next year and potentially an estimate of the cost. [34:43] Selectman: There's really no, there's no way for us to estimate if somebody's going to damage the pickleball court, if somebody's going to damage anything, cameras that are out on the ground, if one of them fails, there's no way to know ahead of time if we're going to have to replace or repair. If we don't have those funds available, every time something happens, then we have to do a special town meeting, which costs the town $2,000 a pot, to put it in front of the people to raise and appropriate those funds. That's why we ask for an amount that is typically what's used or close to being used. Can we look and see what was used the prior years because there's nothing being used according to [35:34] Selectman (Chair): This purchase orders now where everybody supposedly has a purchase order when it's that should help because it's gonna be cool you see all the file with the purchase orders [35:48] Selectman: You know exactly where anything or something yeah I mean ten thousand might be reasonable for buildings and grounds? Yeah. You guys don't have to run. That's up to you. We just want more answers. We can explain to people why we're not recommending that one. [36:11] Selectman (Chair): Okay, and then we've got is the landscaping. It's a three-year contract, so that's understandable. [36:21] Selectman: And it does look like we're going through that one at a reasonable rate. [36:26] Selectman (Chair): Last year we had an additional $10,500 under contracted services, or it's a blank line. It was $10,500, and there's nothing this year. I have an additional contract. I'm trying to think of what the second contract would consist of, because the contract for mowing does all the public areas, the field, the cemeteries. I don't know what the additional [37:15] Selectman: Yeah, there was something else. Things, it wasn't more. We had separate contracts for the cemeteries before. Yeah, okay, so probably got that. Okay, [37:25] Selectman (Chair): so it's not there this year, so that's good. I'll shed on that one. We'll just make a list of questions, and yeah, we need Julie over that one. Then she can just, as she's going through, you know, not have to look up everyone immediately, but as she's going through each one, make notes. And yeah, because like, well, we just want to know. We can't do anything about it this year. [37:48] Selectman: Yeah, payments went, yeah, and like with the purchase orders, I would think [37:57] Selectman (Chair): that everything's going to be listed in, you know, it'd be a lot easier for, like, I go into the file and file through something, you know exactly where it goes, rather than just a lump sum for doing something. Okay, on we go. Review the revised budgets of the code enforcement. We don't have that one, do we? [38:16] Selectman: Well, we know that the budget has been reduced. Stan has revised his budget from the one that we reviewed, and it's now equal to the last year. Year. So I think that if we just congratulate Stan on doing a great job, I'll have to pull that one out. And the code enforcement is going to cost the same as the prior year. So no increase there. [38:45] Selectman (Chair): Okay. Any other? You want to go on with some? Because any other, the business we've still got here. [38:57] Selectman: We've got to have an hour. So any other business before we go on to this, I would say that we have this proposal to have the Budget Committee reduced to three people on the vote that's going to take place on November 3rd, and it's the second article is to change the ordinance to show that the Budget Committee should have three instead of five. And I hope that everyone realizes that we really do need five people to review the budgets. It takes quite a lot of work, and I'd just like to bring that to the attention of anyone that's watching tonight to vote no on item two on the on November 3rd. So that we keep five people on the Budget Committee. [40:05] Selectman (Chair): It was hard to get the five, but then all of a sudden we're overloaded. [40:09] Selectman: Even when you get five, don't show up sometimes. [40:12] Selectman (Chair): No, and like, right, you have to have at least three, and if you have three and one goes on vacation, we don't have a meeting. So okay, right, so we can move on. We've got the next one. [40:26] Selectman: On mine is the animal, yeah, control. Let's [40:33] Selectman (Chair): see, looks like it's the same as [40:37] Selectman: so I'm going to ask a stupid question. A stipend is that same thing as a paycheck [40:41] Town Manager: check? Yeah, it's just not hourly, it's a set amount. Oh, like salary per call or something [40:49] Selectman: no, well, it may be, I don't know if it's per call, but it'll either be per call [40:55] Town Manager: okay, a set amount per call, that's right [40:58] Selectman (Chair): how'd they come up with that total? So we kept it from last year in here. Yeah, because she just [41:07] Selectman: sense difference, yeah, she didn't turn in a budget, so okay, she just gets the same as last year, and the mileage is the same. Animal welfare, Kenny Bunk, Animal Humane Society, you have to pay when they take them down there, it's a set fee. Yeah, whenever, so if my dog is lost or something, it's taken there and we have to pay. [41:37] Selectman (Chair): Whether we have one or twenty. It's almost like a contract, yeah. [41:48] Selectman: Okay. If you want us you have to pay this per year. I said if you want us you have to pay this per year. Thank you. Yeah, I would just like to see that. Is a fabulous place, they do a great job. This year it looks like, I know it's not to be relied on, but it looks like we actually spent six thousand four hundred and ninety three, so I think that we might need to increase that one. Oh, so it's not a contract. That would be if the animal can think [42:24] Selectman (Chair): to recommend it or not. So we would recommend it. [42:30] Selectman: Should I just write to her as the budget secretary and send her an email and ask her how much that should be? Ask her to revise her, or to do her budget and turn it in. Okay. Yeah, and I thought that was a contract, but apparently it isn't. Because if it went over, that means that they're doing per animal. Well, it went over according to the expense summary report but we don't know, let's see what happened, rely on that. Yeah, but it does look, I mean, that would make sense. Yeah, she hasn't done a new budget in a few years, so we're going to hold that one. I'll write [43:11] Selectman (Chair): you a check but I'll do an email. Yeah, so are you going to hear, we'll just do it as is, are you [43:18] Selectman: going to get in touch with her? Yeah. What's her name? [43:29] Selectman (Chair): Lovely. Assessing department budget [43:33] Town Manager: requests. This one's a little one. [43:42] Selectman: So the COLA did go up 3.6. Yes. So you don't have to, yeah, you don't have to change any of that. So the vacation would be a little different. Okay. Office supply. Looking at, again, we're not sure if it's correct, but the expense summary, I think the tax maps is a bit higher than the 5,000, 1,700. Is it the 7,000? I think it's 5,800 or something. It's not huge, but I know that it does cause a problem if we're under. You have to ask for more money and things. So I'm wondering whether we bump that up to $5,000, $8,000, or $6,000. The problem comes in with the overall department budget. Because since we don't line item, [Selectman (Chair): Less than $1,000.] If one can be well under and another can be well over, it's that bottom total assessing number. You know, but you don't have very much anywhere else. I mean, you're going to be fixed with the, with the salary, and then you're going to be fixed with John O'Donnell. Yeah, it's, it's less, you're under there, so you think you'll be okay. [45:31] Selectman (Chair): All right. I'm good with that then. Well, it says budgeted too much last year. Yeah, it was only twenty thousand. Okay, but it's up, yes, the whole thing is only up seven sixty three sixteen, seven hundred and sixty three dollars and sixteen cents, the whole total of the whole budget. [46:02] Selectman: Okay, this website that's that O'Donnell associates, that's, yeah, [46:13] Selectman (Chair): to see them online. How nice. What happened to the old paper books that we just look it up? There's many people that look them up, probably doesn't many. Okay, advisory committee to select board outlying cemeteries. [46:29] Selectman: Well, we did that one already. Yeah, we did that last week. [46:33] Selectman (Chair): That was in the cemetery one? [46:35] Selectman: So now we're down to these public buildings, but that one might be a bit public areas. We could go through and if you wanted to, if you want to, we could move to the snow removal and things like that, which are, those are contracts, so we can open those. Let's get those out the way before we go on to something we do. [47:07] Town Manager: have a 200 request under public areas 14a. Yeah, just the one that I was just looking at. [47:16] Selectman: and to be honest with you, I was scratching my head on that one, but it's a different, it is a different amount, it's a different budget, so we would rather have a small amount in there than nothing and get hit with something. Yeah. [47:33] Selectman (Chair): So that one is a separate one, then it's not included in it. [Selectman: Okay, all right.] No,, no,, that's fine. No, that's good. [47:43] Selectman: Okay, so... Do you want to go to snow? Sure. Because those ones are kind of straightforward. [47:50] Selectman (Chair): Okay, what else? We've got... Okay, snow removal, town properties. I believe the contract goes through 27, so it would have been the same as last year, period. It right across the board, so there's not much we can do about that one. That's [Town Manager: okay and] snow removal for the roads, it's under what it was last year, and it's a one-year contract, so we're not gonna play with that one. I think that's [48:27] Selectman: That's fantastic. Less than last year, given all the increases in diesel and everything, and salt charges. I think the salt's coming in somewhere else. What was that, Jane? I'm just saying, the salt's coming in on this next one here. Oh, yeah. [48:46] Selectman (Chair): No, it's on all the other ones. Everybody has their own salt. [48:51] Selectman: It does show on there, but there's no amount for that this year. We removed that extra fee. We didn't allow that in the contract this year. Okay. That's why it's a low amount. This is another one that's come in lower, $82,000 instead of $85,000. [49:07] Selectman (Chair): So, yeah, but it is also, instead of a per storm, it's a contract, one year. We could have 50 storms, and it's still going to be the same price, where last year it was per storm. So in the long run [49:23] Selectman: the contract here expires though in [49:28] Selectman (Chair): it's just a yearly [49:29] Selectman: yeah, but it expires in May, so if there are storms after May, you don't have any funds for them. We don't have any money at that point because it will not yeah, I'm going, I'm going to move to Florida for sure if that's the case [49:48] Selectman (Chair): If we have snow in May, we're all going to get it. [49:52] Selectman: It just saturates. No, I was meaning if we have a storm in December of 27, this budget... That's going to be under a new contract. So how does the new contract come in? We haven't budgeted for it. It would be part of that same amount. Because that contract price is, it's for a full year, so they only get percentages for each section of, they don't get anything through the summer, so it, that contract price already has announced budgeted for December of 27 for October, November, December, seven [50:39] Selectman (Chair): payments a year, they get, they get a check seven months out of the year [50:43] Selectman: That's it. And the contract is for one year and it's renewable? So in May, you will do the contract for 28. [50:52] Selectman (Chair): 27, 28, yes, but it will be the end of 27 into 28, it's a half and half. [50:59] Selectman: So that's when they take bids and all that stuff. Yeah. Okay. I thought you were afraid of a Northeastern man. No, I was afraid that we were missing three months. If we had a storm, if we had a storm, November, December. We're using last year's for part of this year already. Yeah. So really, this month will start for January. [51:25] Selectman (Chair): I see. We have to go back to the library. [51:29] Selectman: So now we go to public buildings. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So which one do you want? [51:40] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay. [51:44] Selectman (Chair): Wait a minute. Okay, there's two pages. All right. That's the 26th. Select board and administrative support. Personnel. And we've got the, do you have the second page with the last year's? Or do you have just the 27th? [52:04] Selectman: You don't? It's right here. Here it is. I'll go up there. [52:11] Selectman (Chair): Okay. The stipends hasn't gone up. The health officer has not. Secretary has because it's a 40 hour week now where the previous one was [52:23] Town Manager: not. The previous one was [52:26] Selectman: 28 hours a week which is like 28.67 an hour. Courtney took the job based on understanding that for the rest of this year, she would be making what we could give her based on what was remaining of the budget. So we have now increased that to $25 an hour, which sounds very reasonable. Yep. Okay. Now has experience. [52:57] Selectman (Chair): Custodian is up a little. That must be because more hours or just because. Yeah. Okay. All right. And then we've got Webmaster. That's the 3.6% also. Yep. Yeah. But that goes along with it. Yep. So that's nine, another 600. Vacation two weeks. Vacation administrative. That's Courtney. Yeah, but why is it down $600? [53:40] Town Manager: Because Alicia has been here so many years. [53:44] Selectman (Chair): So this is for just the one year, it's one vacay. Okay, all right. She just started. [53:48] Selectman: Yep, gotcha. For one and two years, she gets the one vacay. [53:51] Selectman (Chair): Yep, and vacation for the webmaster is down because is it three weeks or nine hours? What was it last year? [54:08] Selectman: It was the same, the amount was just one. Okay. [54:12] Selectman (Chair): So we've got a difference of... [54:19] Selectman: When you have a difference and you have an increase in your budget because of payroll, there's nothing you can do about that. It's all cola. Yeah. And Courtney's. Well, yeah. And Courtney's paid, bringing it up to... Yeah. Okay. What do you think, girls? There was a mention of another video technician or something. That's on a different. That's on a different. Yeah, that'll be on the franchise. Which we don't have yet. So that's a 9.2% increase, but there is a good reason for it. Yep. So that one's okay. [55:07] Selectman (Chair): Okay? Yep, I agree. [55:11] Town Manager: You agree? Yep, I have no concerns with that one. [55:15] Selectman (Chair): All right now we've got public buildings that's going to take us a while and we don't have any other ones that are laying around that we haven't got [55:27] Selectman: So who are we missing? Oh, we're missing a lot of departments. You know, those departments have been done recently, but we've got to keep those until later, like the fire department. Okay, yeah, EMS. Who else are we missing? [55:48] Selectman (Chair): Would be the public buildings. That would be one. [55:52] Selectman: We've got them down here. We've got tax collector, deputy tax collector, town clerk, treasurer, elections, recreation, and this, for the 29th, was this public buildings one. We were going to do it on the 29th. So [56:14] Selectman (Chair): we'll be ahead of the game and for the next on the agenda for the this is [56:21] Selectman: the schedule so on the fifth we've got okay repair that's on the 5th of November and then the 12th we've got the fire and emergency management and then And then on the 19th, we've already done snow removal, so those are off. So we've got hydrants, we can maybe move hydrants up here into this one, and that would leave the 19th available to go into the public access TV. [57:02] Selectman (Chair): Okay, that's the point, yeah. [57:04] Selectman: We could bring that other stuff up. Revitalization for it too. [57:09] Selectman (Chair): Yeah, we could. So we're sitting pretty right now. [57:12] Selectman: Yeah, and I mean, are we going to do this public buildings or do you want to leave it until- No, I'm just gonna point out- I'd prefer to wait. Yes. If you guys wanna wait, you can. [57:22] Town Manager: We probably won't be here for it, just so you know. [57:25] Selectman: But you're welcome to email questions. But that budget did go down to 5,000 this year. I'm sorry, which one? The one, the public, this one, public buildings. Okay, I have a couple of questions. Well, one, not that complicated, one easy one. I see Scout Hall and I see Grange Hall. Thank you, driving me nuts. This is the problem, not being from this lovely town. I don't know. I'm just learning these things. [58:05] Speaker F (unidentified): When did the Grinch all go away, Jerry? Twenty-five years ago? That's how long it's just come around. [58:16] Speaker H (unidentified): No, I actually remember— [58:19] Selectman: Were you a scout then? [58:22] Speaker H (unidentified): I was a scout leader. When the Knights of Columbus sponsored the Troop 329 and the town voted to change from the Grange Hall to the Scout Hall, and I believe that was 85. [58:46] Selectman (Chair): Well, if it's under budget, there should be no great questions besides the little simple ones. You want to do it? [58:54] Selectman: Yeah. I have another question about the oil. I was reading this year that if we have heat pumps, we, on a typical house, can save about $2,000 by using our heat pumps instead of our oil. That's that's correct, but you're on a contract, not electric, only the oil, only the oil. Yeah, and you actually have a better oil rate than a typical household, but it's just something to be aware of, to use the heat pumps as much as possible rather than switching to the oil. And have just in case, because yes, you know, if one of those goes down, we have to have. Oh, definitely. Isn't it this building that they use? Is it this building that they use for emergencies, emergency shelter? Oh, you would definitely... [1:00:08] Speaker F (unidentified): Okay, opening this one on paper. [1:00:11] Selectman (Chair): Okay, that's one. Yeah, I don't think it's ever... [1:00:13] Selectman: They didn't have to, but on paper, this is where it would be. Oh, yes. A shelter, so... It's also called a heating station. Yeah, and the fire station. A warming station. Yeah, a fire station. They use heat pumps all the time, and they use a ton of orientating oil. So, but that's because they're doors. I'm glad we're doing this one, because that just confuses my question, because you've got money for elevator, gazebo. I was just pointing that out. I knew I had seen it somewhere else. I didn't want to look into the $30,000. [1:00:58] Selectman (Chair): What's the $12,000 for mileage and tolls that's not existent this time? 1,200, I'm sorry. 1,200, but there's nothing this time. Employee mileage? [1:01:11] Selectman: But then there's nothing this year. There's nothing this year. [Selectman (Chair): Nothing's been budgeted.] Because the buildings don't really have mileage. No. [1:01:20] Selectman (Chair): Okay, so that one's okay. Supplies goes up a little, prices. Equipment, same. Same. Repair maintenance, fire alarm monitoring, okay. [1:01:36] Town Manager: Sprinkler, that's why it was $5,000. No, that was expensive. [1:01:49] Selectman: That would have come out of the other one. That would not have come out of this one. [1:01:51] Selectman (Chair): Last year, sprinkler was $5,000. Yeah. [1:01:55] Town Manager: Nothing this year. This is the 18th. Why? [1:01:59] Selectman (Chair): We took it out. Okay. $7,000 for the elevator. Has the corks been taken out of that one? That's why it's only $1,780? No. Yeah. Okay. National license for inspection. Okay. It must be something new. Building grounds. Gazebo, okay, that's gone down. Good. Electrical, well, that's understandable, up a bit. The fuel. [Selectman: Water.] Is the same. Telephone, elevator inspection. Yeah. [1:02:40] Selectman: See, it's good, the elevator maintenance, and then the contract for the inspection, so. So we have Otis on a state level, and we have nationals. So there are two separate. [1:02:55] Selectman (Chair): And this one's cheaper than the other, correct? Yeah. What we've been using? [1:03:00] Selectman: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. So when you talk about the building grounds, the gazebo and the archive building and the storage shed, those are pretty much up to par, aren't they? Mm-hmm. I mean, the storage shed, well, the buses are always going off, or dehumidifying, or [1:03:22] Selectman (Chair): too much, or not enough, or it's an ongoing problem. [1:03:27] Selectman: There's a lot of maintenance and repairs that need to be done, but this year, we haven't been spending money because we don't know where the books are at. Yes. We don't want to spend money that we don't know we have, but we still, because everything in the budgets at the end of the year go back to the general fund, anything unspent goes to the general fund, we have to budget for it next year, yes, or just in case, because our buildings are like our homes, they need repair, right? No, I'm just looking at the gazebo, you just did the [1:04:04] Selectman (Chair): gazebo and the gazebo in the storage shed really is it's not i mean there's no repairs if that would be, basically, would be the vault. Because the shed, what do you do to the shed? Nothing. [1:04:19] Selectman: Maybe a paint. Well, a vault was $1,000. [1:04:22] Selectman (Chair): That's what I'm saying. The three of them are together. [1:04:24] Selectman: That's part of the construction system that had to be fixed. Yeah. [1:04:26] Selectman (Chair): The three of them are together, but the gazebo, as she says, and the storage shed would be minimal. Right. You know, a paint job or here or there or whatever. [1:04:34] Selectman: Just get painted. Yeah. That's why that's down at $5,000. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to go with, like, on the other one at $30,000, is where the fire suppression system repairs would go, security system failures, all of that, because we had to have somebody come out and fix that a couple of times this year. We don't know where it got taken out of it. Yeah, well, there is, it looks like under here, number 15, repairs and maintenance, 17,500, under it for equipment repairs, fire alarm, elevator, yeah, it hasn't, it's [1:05:38] Selectman (Chair): decreased, yeah. What about the supplies for the brick town hall? Oh, well, it was five last year, down to 250 this year, but the fuel, heating, lights, that's all included in the top hot, right, utilities. Okay, so it's all the town buildings [1:06:00] Selectman: totaled so you're still looking at rental on the on that town hall on you 've got two pages. How to rent that? This building. Okay. That still gets rented out. We changed the policy so that we retain half the deposit. [1:06:16] Town Manager: Okay. That will offset some of the costs. Oh. [1:06:19] Selectman: Okay. But you haven't increased the cost? No. Isn't it free? No. For residents? Well, there's a $100 deposit, but now you only get half the deposit back. So you're taking essentially $50. Know it's it's well loved and people really appreciate having that ball available it's something that yes oh yeah because I mean a hollow usually run you at least two hundred dollars I was thinking you know the heating went up we could raise that a little bit but the because that's that's way low i mean i understand that it's community and all that stuff but you know the town becomes a charity here i think i prefer to see us trying to do maybe an event to raise funds for the town hall you know maybe we do a Christmas bazaar or something in there and charge for the use of the hall that way, per stall or something, we look at some creative ways to fund it because that way it keeps the cost low for all of these people that want to use it for weddings and for funerals and everything, which is, you know, it can It can be an expense that's not prepared for. It's something that's nice for people to have. [1:08:06] Speaker H (unidentified): It falls under maintenance. Currently, there's a limit to the personnel. [1:08:12] Town Manager: Over here, right. [1:08:13] Selectman (Chair): Where does this... Yes. Yeah. Okay. This is just the municipal building. [1:08:21] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay, that makes sense. Okay. [1:08:24] Selectman (Chair): Okay. This is just the town hall, Grange Hall. Okay, fire station. Okay, they are looking at separate entities. [1:08:40] Selectman: Because if the town hall costs you $1,000 to, which is, that's way low. But if, let's say, as an example, if it costs you $1,000 to, just open the doors to the community for that town hall. You know, there's no reason why we couldn't up the rate on that. You know, if somebody's looking at it, that's great. Because if I needed a hall, $100 is not... I know, but that's not for everyone. And if it's a funeral, for example, you know, it's expensive. So that's something that we can do and that people can use it. How many does the brick town hall currently, what's the maximum that the fire department and everything is allowing? [1:09:35] Selectman (Chair): 49 on one floor. [1:09:38] Town Manager: On one floor, yeah. [1:09:39] Selectman (Chair): Because the second floor there's no fire escape sound. Up the path. Okay, talking about the brick, finally, thank you. Thank you. She straightened me out. That was just a municipal building that we were talking about and it did go down. What about the Brooktown Hall? It did go down, which is great, but the buildings itself, repairs and maintenance of the building was $7,000 last year and it's down to $3,500 this year. What did they get done? Oils up, which is understandable. I mean, it's half the price, they dropped it half, which I'm not complaining that they've dropped it, but you know, what did they, did they accomplish getting something done last year and use it all? Well, [1:10:36] Speaker F (unidentified): this budget this year, they've used $198. The select board decides, has to approve any of those repairs when we go out, if we go out for bids. So they did approve an RFP last week for gutters, for the water that falls onto the ramp and starts a hazard. So we're out to bid for that. We expect that will consume most of what's left of that $7,000. Prior to last year, $7,000, it was $25,000 and the year before it was $25,000 and the board would not let us spend it either year. So we're going to propose and the money went back into the general fund. So when we talk about capital, we'll have a suggestion for everyone to review at that [1:11:36] Selectman (Chair): point. I may be a little slow on a lot of things, but I don't think this capital fund, this reserve fund, can't you make it simple? Yeah, you can make it simple. It's possible. Bookkeeping is bookkeeping. Well, we're looking to that. Yeah. And you have, like, money goes back because they didn't let you spend it. [1:11:56] Speaker F (unidentified): Oh, general fund. Yeah, anybody gets it. Well, it can be reallocated. It can be reallocated or it can be given back to the taxpayers. But the select board usually makes those decisions. [1:12:10] Selectman (Chair): So was there any reason why they wouldn't? Because there was chaos. There was chaos [1:12:16] Speaker F (unidentified): in the books that we were putting a new fire station on online back then yes we're talking [1:12:23] Selectman (Chair): 25 with the yeah the handicap problems and stuff like that yeah so they just shut everything down [1:12:29] Speaker F (unidentified): wouldn't let them they did anything they just shut it down basically they shut down repairs understand yeah there was financial chaos they didn't know yeah but they budgeted for it and [1:12:39] Selectman: and we collected the money. So what are you saying is, [1:12:44] Speaker F (unidentified): I'm saying that this extra money in undesignated, okay. [1:12:49] Selectman (Chair): And that's something that's like a general fund, undesignated? [1:12:52] Speaker F (unidentified): Yes, general fund. Well, general fund is general fund. It's the cash, right? Okay, so you designate parts of that for capital projects and then you have undesignated as a balance. So that money is in undesignated. [1:13:09] Selectman (Chair): Because for years I would hear, we can take that one out of, I can't remember what account it was because half of them I don't understand. We've got plenty in that one. We'll take it out of there. But how did it get there? [1:13:21] Speaker F (unidentified): By votes of the people. [1:13:23] Selectman (Chair): No, but what I'm saying is, how did that one particular fund that we could always use, there was always an endless amount of money there, does it kick back from other funds that would? [1:13:34] Speaker F (unidentified): We have cash. Cash is cash, right? That's out here. Then you designate how you spend that cash, and you raise money, and it goes through cash. But you have funds that are designated, and the cash can be spent. Then you have to make it up. Yeah. Then you have to make it up. [1:13:56] Selectman (Chair): No, not my bookkeeping. [1:13:58] Speaker F (unidentified): So it's nice to keep everything straight. [1:14:01] Selectman (Chair): You have funds for each, you know, an envelope for everything that you need. [Speaker F (unidentified): Correct,.] Yeah, let's go old school for a change. [1:14:09] Speaker F (unidentified): But then you'd actually put this cash in the envelope, wouldn't you, at home? Here we don't do that. We have one checking account. [1:14:18] Selectman (Chair): And this has been going on for all, see this? [1:14:20] Speaker F (unidentified): Oh, this is the way the books run. I mean, it runs that way. You're supposed to keep your books straight. Trust me, they're not straight. [1:14:28] Selectman: So is 35 enough for the building for next year? No. [1:14:32] Speaker F (unidentified): Why don't we go back to 25? That was a nice number. For that building? Hmm? For that building? Ask Jerry. He's looking at all. We've had a study done by an architectural firm. We have a list and Jerry's looking at it. [1:14:49] Selectman: Is that going to be a capital project that we'll look at later in the budget? [1:14:56] Speaker F (unidentified): Well, we're going to talk about it when we come, when our turn is, yes. [1:15:01] Selectman: Yeah, so we might want to just hold on that one. [1:15:05] Speaker F (unidentified): You want to hold on that? That would be nice if you'd hold on that part. [1:15:08] Speaker H (unidentified): Because currently the fire marshal says 49 people, and that was an assessment done in 2025. I'm not going to make a judgment if that would change or not. 26, 27, a new fire marshal assessment and the deterioration of that building could change. [1:15:39] Selectman (Chair): Could be there 25 for people, you know, per, exactly, maybe that might not be worth fixing. [1:15:48] Speaker F (unidentified): Yeah, you want a five million dollar community center, you want to pay for that, or you want to [1:15:53] Selectman (Chair): pay 250,000 to match some grant? We should have had one big old building with everything in it. When you're talking community center, how's the whole thing? Hey, what if we get into the fire department now, you know? So I'm thinking that might be outside the budget committee. I think so. [1:16:13] Selectman: i was just wondering about the 3500 so apparently it's not enough so let's i mean this is something that, you know, we, when the board did these budgets, it was, you know, if something comes up, a large thing comes up, we can go in front of the town to say, look, this has come up, this is what we need. Sounds like something's going to come up with that building. But that's, as you said, a special town meeting and things. [1:16:42] Selectman (Chair): We shouldn't have to have those. We should be able to get the budgets. So we'll put that particular part of this on hold? Yes. Just the town hall. Okay. We'll put that on hold. Okay. So Grange Hall. That's down quite a bit. Boy Scout Hall. Sorry. Sorry, it's still written down here, Grange Hall. [1:17:04] Selectman: It is, but that's what they were saying, the same as Samari. [1:17:09] Selectman (Chair): Yeah, a little high, but the oil, you have to deal with that. [1:17:13] Speaker H (unidentified): And this, I was in the Scout Hall building when the contract, the fuel company contract between the furnace and my personal assessment of the building, it's in really, good shape. Except the handrail up front. [Selectman (Chair): Cosmetic, but safety.] Some housekeeping, cleaning, but not... I personally couldn't see where it would cost a great amount of money to preserve that building [1:17:50] Selectman: for another year. So $1,000 sounds good to you. [1:17:54] Selectman (Chair): Didn't they put a heat pump in there this year? What's that? Did they put a heat pump in there this year? Yes. Okay. So that should help with the furnace too, but yeah. So that's not, and it's down, it's down quite a bit. It's gone from 6450 to 4860, so. [1:18:11] Town Manager: Do we expect the electricity to go up at all? They did. Is it the same budget from last year? [1:18:18] Selectman: We pulled that one over. I mean, it's not a, that one isn't highly used, is it? [1:18:27] Speaker H (unidentified): The AA, I believe, is the only organization that uses it. Yeah. Weekly, monthly, whatever. Yeah. [1:18:36] Selectman: Okay. So it's not in use all the time with electricity running in. Increasing that cost. [1:18:43] Selectman (Chair): Okay. So the fire station will wait and do that one and- [1:18:47] Selectman: That's just the- [1:18:48] Town Manager: Is that the old one? That's the old one. Oh, okay. Okay, so we just talked to the actual fire. No,. Okay. [1:18:57] Selectman (Chair): So the utilities, there are no utilities that there's no power there. It was stated this meeting the other night that there is no electricity in that building. So who says it is and who I thought it was disconnected. No,, what I'm saying is who said it was disconnected. There was no power. So why hasn't it been disconnected? Who tells that? Does the fire department have control over that or the select board or who has control over it? The select board did not authorize [1:19:35] Selectman: it being turned off so we don't know who did. [1:19:38] Selectman (Chair): So it's been turned off or on? It has been turned back on. [1:19:42] Selectman: It was turned on. I don't know if it has been turned back on. [1:19:46] Selectman (Chair): When they went from the old building into the new building. The power was disconnected. [1:19:55] Selectman: Okay. No, it wasn't disconnected. It was just turned off. They just turned off the breaker. And someone has turned the breaker back on. [1:20:07] Selectman (Chair): Yeah, but that's not what we would let, you know, as a... [1:20:10] Selectman: No, they're not supposed to have power to that breaker. [1:20:14] Selectman (Chair): So Central Maine should come cut the power. Who has that authority? Already. [1:20:20] Selectman: The select board had it turned on. We don't know who had it turned on. Yeah, [1:20:28] Selectman (Chair): but the breaker is, that's not even being turned on, turned off. I'm not talking the [1:20:34] Selectman: breaker, Cheryl. We don't know who authorized or had the power restored back to the building. [1:20:40] Selectman (Chair): Okay, so Central Maine literally came back and hooked it up again. Or they did what they [1:20:44] Selectman: they have to do. They don't come out and unplug anything. They shut it off at their station. So if that one's peeing in place, do you flip a switch? [1:20:54] Selectman (Chair): I'm thinking that maybe when you shut the power off, they come and take the meter. No, they don't. Not anymore? No. They used to. No, they didn't use the meter. Okay. All right. [1:21:04] Speaker H (unidentified): It's a device called knife switch. And it used to be manually that a CMP technician would have to go on the pole and manually control the nitrate. Today's technology, that can be done from a control panel at CMP. [1:21:23] Selectman (Chair): An old building like that was previously set up for that. Because it's 5 meters. [1:21:28] Speaker H (unidentified): The 5 meter technology allows CMP to close or open electric currents. [1:21:36] Selectman: So the decommissioned fire station is $1,400. What is that for? Water. [1:21:44] Selectman (Chair): Why do we have water and sewer? It's an empty building. No one uses it, right? Oh, yes. That's what I mean. [1:21:53] Selectman: We still have access to water. That doesn't get turned on and turned off. That's just a flat access. [1:22:04] Selectman (Chair): So, maintenance, electricity, and sewer and water is $1,400. [1:22:10] Selectman: So the $500 for electricity really shouldn't be there? No. It shouldn't be, but if we get that breaker fixed, which there's talk of having that breaker switched or fixed because it is a hazard, it's a fire hazard. Once we get that fixed, then we can get the power back on and utilize the building. If we don't budget any funds for using it. And if there's water in the building, you may want to... [1:22:46] Selectman (Chair): Then you have to have the heat on to keep the water from. What are they heating it with? There's nothing under that. You get electricity, you got sewer. You got repairs and maintenance. Right now they're not heating it. There is not running water in there. It's access. It goes by. It goes by the building so you have to pay the, okay. So it's a fee. It's a fee, not the fact that it's, okay. All right. No, I was looking at the electricity. Is there a, yeah. That's regardless of whether [1:23:24] Selectman: the building sits there or not, yeah, gotcha. Is the old fire station, is there a committee or is there an idea to look into what to do with that building, so [1:23:41] Selectman (Chair): what would the repairs and maintenance be, replace [1:23:49] Selectman: the breaker box, okay, the main breaker, okay so at some point I guess someone has to think [1:23:59] Selectman (Chair): about what they want to do with that. True, very true, yeah, okay. So that's another one with a question, not a budget. True, yeah. Bricktown, how we hold the grange hall, we said okay. What are you talking on the firehouse, the old firehouse, fine with it, okay. I just still don't know why you [1:24:23] Selectman: That's $500 for electricity. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing I've got is really just some more repairs to the brick turn hole. Can I go back to the previous page? You guys, I think you guys were talking about why telephones are costing you $12,000. Was there something about that you were going to look into? We're going to look into Fidium. [1:24:52] Selectman (Chair): So which is consolidated, yeah, consolidated sold out, yeah, there's no guarantees, no, you need to, yeah, okay. So municipal building we'll talk about later or do you want to talk about, we did that one, okay. Bricktown hall, we're in, okay, so we're done there, yeah, I think so, I want to go home. [1:25:22] Selectman: I want to thank you for being chairman and I want to thank our select board members for coming along and talking us through this. I want to know it's not easy for doing all the work, we just, she just [1:25:37] Selectman (Chair): supplies us with all this paperwork and she's excellent. We will not lose her. You're not going on vacation either, so are you going to have to come back for another time? I think you're [1:25:51] Selectman: Yes, okay. Yes Okay, so really [1:26:05] Selectman (Chair): Nothing, no, we have to set our schedule. We're not meeting tomorrow on next week. Correct. We're not anything next week. No, we are not. All right. No meeting. No nothing on the 20th [1:26:16] Selectman: And then the 29th is the next. [1:26:20] Selectman (Chair): Yeah, Susan comes back. [1:26:21] Selectman: And I'll revise the schedule based on what we've done tonight. [1:26:25] Selectman (Chair): Yeah, because I had a couple down that we were going to do, but possible. We did some tonight. [1:26:30] Selectman: And then we'll have to call that person, and then we're going to make sure we call the people, and maybe even talk to the librarian's name is Cindy. Cindy, maybe even talk to Cindy and say, is it okay what we did, or do you have any questions for us? Because she wasn't here. Yeah. [1:26:52] Selectman (Chair): Okay. Motion to adjourn. Second.